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WD-40 & Silicone Spray. When is one better over the other?
I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I
need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! |
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 01:03:13 GMT, Holy Crikey
wrote: I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! WD-40 is not a lubricant. Silicone spray is excellent except you will have great difficulty painting anything that has silicone residue on it. |
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WD-40 & Silicone Spray. When is one better over the other?
WD-40 is essentially kerosene and a carrier/spray. Nice for cleaning
metal, loosening things up, etc., like a penetrating oil, but NO long-term lubricant properties. For garage doors, etc., I use an SAE-80 gear oil, as it doesn't run as much, and pretty well stays where I put it. The silicon lubricants are generally waterproof, but as the last poster points out, they mess up the surface for painting, unless very throughly cleaned. I use WD-40 for cleaning, but NOT lubricating firearms, cleaning the rims of my bicycle wheels, and stuff like that. I find that a pump oiler full of ordinary 10W30 motor oil really meets the majority of lubricating needs around the house, plus the SAE-80 gear oil for stuff like the garage door pivots and the bearings on the push lawnmower. A small grease gun is likewise handy to have around. |
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WD-40 is not a lubricant. Silicone spray is excellent except you will
have great difficulty painting anything that has silicone residue on it. WD-40 says "lubricates" on the can. Gunk and similar brands of "silicone" spray are just WD-40 with a few drops of silicone oil for laughs. Odd that you think it is "excellent" but WD-40 is not. |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:59:21 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote: WD-40 is not a lubricant. Silicone spray is excellent except you will have great difficulty painting anything that has silicone residue on it. WD-40 says "lubricates" on the can. Gunk and similar brands of "silicone" spray are just WD-40 with a few drops of silicone oil for laughs. Odd that you think it is "excellent" but WD-40 is not. Silicone is just for laughs? Water can be a lubricant also but I doubt it would be your first choice. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote: Gunk and similar brands of "silicone" spray are just WD-40 with a few drops of silicone oil for laughs. Who told you this? They were having fun at your expense. WD40 is mostly kerosene. There is NO kerosene in any of the major brands of silicone spray. WD40 and silicone spray are completely different chemical formulations. |
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Ether Jones writes:
WD40 is mostly kerosene. There is NO kerosene in any of the major brands of silicone spray. WD40 and silicone spray are completely different chemical formulations. Nope. Read the Gunk brand can or MSDS linked in my earlier posts. Gunk "silicone" spray is 99 percent petroleum, roughly kerosene weight, with a tiny bit of silicone oil. |
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In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:
Ether Jones writes: WD40 is mostly kerosene. There is NO kerosene in any of the major brands of silicone spray. WD40 and silicone spray are completely different chemical formulations. Nope. Read the Gunk brand can Maybe *you* should read it before you post further on this topic. I did, and posted what I found. The contents are not what you claim they are. or MSDS linked in my earlier posts. The MSDS you linked is more than ten years old, and is not from the manufacturer. Here's a recent (21 Mar 2005) MSDS from the manufacturer: http://www.gunk.com/msds/AM914_6.PDF Gunk "silicone" spray is 99 percent petroleum, roughly kerosene weight, with a tiny bit of silicone oil. Wrong on all counts. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Holy Crikey wrote:
I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! Hi, Silicon or Teflon based sparay. Never WD-40! |
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WD-40 & Silicone Spray. When is one better over the other?
Holy Crikey wrote: I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! The "WD" in WD40 stands for "Water Dispersant", which is what WD40 primarily is, not a lubricant. It's mostly kerosene with a small percentage of other added petrochemicals. Use a drop or 2 of light oil to penetrate between the moving surfaces, and wipe clean so it doesn't attract dust. |
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Ether Jones writes:
The "WD" in WD40 stands for "Water Dispersant", which is what WD40 primarily is, not a lubricant. It says "lubricates" on the can. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote in
: Ether Jones writes: The "WD" in WD40 stands for "Water Dispersant", which is what WD40 primarily is, not a lubricant. It says "lubricates" on the can. But does NOT say for -how long-. K-Y jelly lubricates,too. ;-P WD-40 has a tendency to gum up after awhile. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Jim Yanik wrote: WD-40 has a tendency to gum up after awhile. I respectfully disagree. It has a tendency to disappear, and I suppose leave any dust and cat fur it's picked up left behind as a gummy mess, but that's about it. |
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z writes:
WD-40 has a tendency to gum up after awhile. I respectfully disagree. It has a tendency to disappear, and I suppose leave any dust and cat fur it's picked up left behind as a gummy mess, but that's about it. Exactly. It deliberately corresponds to the first of three grades of mil spec corrosion inhibitors, those three roughly being tackless, waxy, and gummy/tacky. |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... K-Y jelly lubricates,too. ;-P WD-40 has a tendency to gum up after awhile. Well MOST people draw the line at margarine, you kinky *******! ;o) -zero |
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"-zero" wrote in
: "Jim Yanik" wrote in message ... K-Y jelly lubricates,too. ;-P WD-40 has a tendency to gum up after awhile. Well MOST people draw the line at margarine, you kinky *******! ;o) -zero It's your own dirty mind that led you to that conclusion. 8-) Soybean cooking oil would be a better lubricant for *mechanical things* than WD-40.(castor bean oil used to be used in autos!) So would kerosene. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Richard J Kinch wrote:
Ether Jones writes: The "WD" in WD40 stands for "Water Dispersant", which is what WD40 primarily is, not a lubricant. It says "lubricates" on the can. Hmmm, For a while until it dries up and induce rust and what not. WD-40 is not lubricant, it is water repellent/solvent. It makes metal bare. water drops will lubricate for a while as well. |
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WD-40 & Silicone Spray. When is one better over the other?
And 40 means they took 40 attempts to get it right
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And 40 means they took 40 attempts to get it right I like REM-Oil, and I don't even own a gun. :-) John T. |
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And 40 means they took 40 attempts to get it right I like REM-Oil, and I don't even own a gun. :-) John T. Well get it in gear, get on down to the local gun shop and buy one! No-Can-Do .. I would need a Firearms Aquisition Certificate ? and/or a Possession and Acquisition Licence ? .. or sumpthin' government-y .. John T. |
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Holy Crikey wrote: I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. I've read that silicone oil can cause problems by being incompatible with any oil already in the bearings, and it's better to use regular light machine oil (5, 10, or 20 weight). Another person said that sewing machine oil isn't good because it's vegetable oil (so it won't stain clothes permanently). Only the bearings are supposed to be lubed, not the nylon wheels or the tracks. If your door runs on pivot hinges instead of tracks, then aerosol grease is supposed to be the best. This grease is mixed with a liquid solvent that evaporates after it's sprayed on, and auto parts stores should have it because it's used for door hinges and latches. I once had a squealing speedometer (metal cylinder spinning in nylon hole). I cleaned the parts with degreaser and applied silicone oil -- still squealed. Cleaned again and tried WD-40 -- again no help. Another cleaning and two drops of light machine oil -- no more squeaks, ever again. |
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"Holy Crikey" wrote in message ... I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! Neither. Try oil. WD40 is NOT a lubricant and silicone spray is not intended for metal. |
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WD40 is NOT a lubricant and silicone spray is not intended for metal. Silicone oil is intended for metal and vinyl and leather and rubber and plastic and wood. |
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Holy Crikey writes:
Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Don't be a sucker. "Silicone" spray, such as the Gunk brand you buy at Home Depot or the auto parts store, is *not* silicone. It is a few drops of silicone oil in a bulk of petroleum distillate, which is to say, not significantly different from WD-40. Read the label or MSDS, and you'll find that silicone is the last ingredient on the list. Actual silicone oil is expensive, so you won't find it in a big can for a few bucks. Here is an example: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov...nds&id=7007009 |
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On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 22:54:59 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote: Holy Crikey writes: Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Don't be a sucker. "Silicone" spray, such as the Gunk brand you buy at Home Depot or the auto parts store, is *not* silicone. It is a few drops of silicone oil in a bulk of petroleum distillate, which is to say, not significantly different from WD-40. Read the label or MSDS, and you'll find that silicone is the last ingredient on the list. Actual silicone oil is expensive, so you won't find it in a big can for a few bucks. Here is an example: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov...nds&id=7007009 I take it you've never played foosball. |
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says... Don't be a sucker. "Silicone" spray, such as the Gunk brand you buy at Home Depot or the auto parts store, is *not* silicone. It is a few drops of silicone oil in a bulk of petroleum distillate, which is to say, not significantly different from WD-40. You appear unaware that there are thousands of different compounds which can be distilled from petroleum, and *all* of them can be referred to as "petroleum distillate". Educate yourself here http://www.protectall.com/artmyths.htm where you can learn about the many different chemicals that fall under the generic heading "petroleum distillate" and here http://www.wd40.com/Brands/pdfs/msds...aerosol.us.pdf where the MSDS for WD-40 shows that its composition isn't even remotely similar to that of Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant. Read the label or MSDS, and you'll find that silicone is the last ingredient on the list. Copied verbatim from the back of a can of Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant, p/n AMS9-14, that I have in my garage: "Contains petroleum distillate (CAS# 142-82-5), propane (CAS# 74-98-6), Dimethyl polysiloxane (CAS# 63148-98-6), and water (CAS# 7732-18-5)." Doesn't look to me like silicone is "the last ingredient on the list." Maybe it does to you. Actual silicone oil is expensive, so you won't find it in a big can for a few bucks. Here is an example: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov...nds&id=7007009 From the fifth line under "Brand Information": "Date Entered: 1996-09-03" Do ya think that might be just a little bit out of date, that the formula might have changed some in the last TEN YEARS?? |
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Doug Miller wrote: Copied verbatim from the back of a can of Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant, p/n AMS9-14, that I have in my garage: "Contains petroleum distillate (CAS# 142-82-5), propane (CAS# 74-98-6), Dimethyl polysiloxane (CAS# 63148-98-6), and water (CAS# 7732-18-5)." Water? Now that is what is a surprise to me. |
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Doug Miller writes:
WD-40 shows that its composition isn't even remotely similar to that of Gunk Silicone Spray Lubricant. Actually, it is. Industrial chemists use various nomenclatures for the same things, in an attempt to obscure what's going on. |
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Doug Miller writes:
Doesn't look to me like silicone is "the last ingredient on the list." Maybe it does to you. No water on the can on my shelf, or in the MSDS. Having found a pointless counterexample, you win the prissy exception contest. |
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Richard J Kinch wrote: Don't be a sucker. "Silicone" spray, such as the Gunk brand you buy at Home Depot or the auto parts store, is *not* silicone. It is a few drops of silicone oil in a bulk of petroleum distillate, which is to say, not significantly different from WD-40. Read the label or MSDS, and you'll find that silicone is the last ingredient on the list. Actual silicone oil is expensive, so you won't find it in a big can for a few bucks. Here is an example: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov...nds&id=7007009 But here's another MSDS, for Valvoline's Pyroil brand silicone lube spray: http://msds.ashland.com/ShowMSDS.asp...CONE+LUBRICANT It lists: Ingredient(s) CAS Number % (by weight) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HEPTANE 142-82-5 87.0- 97.0 CARBON DIOXIDE 124-38-9 0.0- 10.0 SILICONE Trade Secret 0.0- 8.0 IOW it appears that there's nothing in the can except propellant and some silicone compound. |
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larry moe 'n curly writes:
IOW it appears that there's nothing in the can except propellant and some silicone compound. It's 87 percent heptane, which is a petroleum distillate. The CO2 is the propellant. |
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Doug Miller wrote in
: In article , says... larry moe 'n curly writes: IOW it appears that there's nothing in the can except propellant and some silicone compound. It's 87 percent heptane, which is a petroleum distillate. The CO2 is the propellant. That does not change the fact that, despite your silly claims to the contrary, the stuff *is* significantly different from WD-40. You ain't the Doug Miller from Nebraska that worked in VT by chance? |
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Richard J Kinch wrote: larry moe 'n curly writes: IOW it appears that there's nothing in the can except propellant and some silicone compound. It's 87 percent heptane, which is a petroleum distillate. The CO2 is the propellant. Yes, CO2 is the propellant. But the Heptane is just a solvent to help thin the silicone and allow it to penetrate. It evaporates rapidly, once it's out of the can, leaving the silicone lubricant evenly dispersed. |
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Holy Crikey wrote:
I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. Is metal on metal contact for WD-40 and the silicone spray for everything else? Please clarify. Thanks! The simplest and maybe the best solution is to clean the hinge with WD40 and then oil it with any any 20 or 30 weight oil. The most thorough way is to pop each pin up until each pin engages only one loop on the frame half of the hinge and one loop on the door half of the hinge is engaged by the pin. Then put oil on a Q-tip and push it up through the hinge loops and all over the exposed pin. Then just pound the pin down into place. If you cannot or are afraid of popping the pins up, then put oil at each loop, swing the door, add more oil, wipe most off, and after two days the oil should have seeped to all hinge surfaces. Throughly clean (wipe) any oil off the hinges. Graphite in oil (Lock-ease) also works very well. |
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In article , Holy Crikey wrote:
I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. That should be your first clue that WD-40 is the wrong thing to use. It's a poor lubricant. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. You should use neither. A few drops of 3-in-1 Oil (available at any hardware store or home center) on each of the squeaky hinges will take care of the problem. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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It turns out WD40 company also makes 3-in-1 oil. Refer to
http://www.wd40.com . The site does not label the product as a "lubricant" or "water drier". But it does suggest applications such as removing spots, etc. Doug Miller wrote: In article , Holy Crikey wrote: I have squeaking front and garage entrance door hinges in my house I need to spray with lubrication during the winter because it gets so loud. I used WD-40 a couple of times, but the irritating noise would come back only after a few days. That should be your first clue that WD-40 is the wrong thing to use. It's a poor lubricant. Someone told me to give silicone spray a try, so I might do that, but thought I'd pose a question in here to learn when using one over the other is better. You should use neither. A few drops of 3-in-1 Oil (available at any hardware store or home center) on each of the squeaky hinges will take care of the problem. |
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