Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

Ignoramus1064 wrote:

Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

Wasn't a bad cap? Blown compressor? Does the Trane 15i have the
protective devices your previous unit seems to have lacked like the
short cycle timer and high pressure switch?

Pete C.

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:04:02 GMT, Pete C. wrote:
Ignoramus1064 wrote:

Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

Wasn't a bad cap?

wasn't

Blown compressor?

yes

Does the Trane 15i have the protective devices your previous unit
seems to have lacked like the short cycle timer and high pressure
switch?

I asked this question, he answered that yes, it had overloads. As part
of the job, he will also install a new thermostat unit that does have
a 5 minute delay built in.

i

Sounds a bit high. When my boss and I put in a system it runs about 2
1/2 grand, not 5 grand. Of course, nothing costs as much as a trane.

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"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:47:07 GMT, Ignoramus1064
wrote:

Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

Define "reasonable".
Bubba

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:27:26 -0400, Bubba wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:47:07 GMT, Ignoramus1064
wrote:

Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

Define "reasonable".

Not exceeding what other good contractors would charge, by too much.

As an aside, I have to say that I like our A/C guy, he seems to be
actually honest. I had an issue 2 years ago where I knew what was bad
(speed control board). One contractor came and BSed me how he
"diagnosed" that all boards need to be replaced. He did not get
hired. This one identified the issue and fixed only what needed
fixing.

So, I would pay him slightly more than the competitive amount, but
would not want to be taken to cleaners.

i

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Is that reasonable?

That depends on where you are and how much work needs to be done
on your particular house.( Are they running new supply "lines"?)
Why not call other companies for competitive
bids on similar products?
I'm in Houston and $5000. doesn't sound like "a lot". I recently
had to replace the condenser/compressor unit (outside) for
$1800 which was the middle of the three bids I got.
McM

As a previous poster said, prices vary from one area to another. Also,
depends on the size-- a 5 ton is going to be a lot more than a 2. I have
seen no mention of size in your posts. FWIW, ALL compressors in ALL
units have overload protection. They are built into the compressor
(inside the shell), so they may not show up on a wiring diagram. Eons
ago, some compressors on residential sized units had external overloads,
but all have been internal for many years. They will open not only when
the current draw exceeds it's rating, but also if the compressor
overheats, regardless of the amp draw. For a top quality install of
condensing unit, furnace and evaporator (or air handler depending on
what you have), everything done according to code, with proper permits
and inspections, the price sounds from reasonable to VERY reasonable,
depending on size, and where you are located. Also. ask your contractor
about a 10 year part and labor warranty available from Trane. Good luck
Larry

Too damn cheap.... what corners is he cutting to be able to do it so cheap??
Bet its not the new R-410a refrigerant either.... in a couple of years, when
you need some more R-22, get ready to get ****ed hard as its phased out.

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:04 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Sounds a bit high. When my boss and I put in a system it runs about 2
1/2 grand, not 5 grand. Of course, nothing costs as much as a trane.

Yes but then we all know how much of a ****in idiot you and your
"boss" are.
Bubba

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:04:28 -0500, lp13-30 wrote:
As a previous poster said, prices vary from one area to another. Also,
depends on the size-- a 5 ton is going to be a lot more than a 2. I have
seen no mention of size in your posts.

4 ton, IIRC. (I am a little mystified by those "tons")

FWIW, ALL compressors in ALL units have overload protection. They
are built into the compressor (inside the shell), so they may not
show up on a wiring diagram. Eons ago, some compressors on
residential sized units had external overloads, but all have been
internal for many years. They will open not only when the current
draw exceeds it's rating, but also if the compressor overheats,
regardless of the amp draw. For a top quality install of condensing
unit, furnace and evaporator (or air handler depending on what you
have), everything done according to code, with proper permits and
inspections, the price sounds from reasonable to VERY reasonable,
depending on size, and where you are located. Also. ask your
contractor about a 10 year part and labor warranty available from
Trane. Good luck Larry


Yes, this includes a full 10 year warranty, parts, labor and freon.


i

On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:39:48 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
Too damn cheap.... what corners is he cutting to be able to do it so cheap??
Bet its not the new R-410a refrigerant either.... in a couple of years, when
you need some more R-22, get ready to get ****ed hard as its phased out.

Um, what is the difference, thanks

i

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:39:48 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
Too damn cheap.... what corners is he cutting to be able to do it so
cheap??
Bet its not the new R-410a refrigerant either.... in a couple of years,
when
you need some more R-22, get ready to get ****ed hard as its phased out.

Um, what is the difference, thanks

The difference is that R-22 is going away.... the production will be cut
back by an additional 65% in January of 2010...thats only 3 1/2 years away.
At the same time. the manufactures will stop making *all* R-22 equipment.
Maybe you should do a little homework on the EPA and DOE websites.

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i


There are a number of factors which will drive costs. Which refrigerant
are you going with? R22 will be cheaper but there's a fear that you won't
be able to service your units in a few years as production of said
refrigerant and equipment will cease. I dunno, I can still get parts for
my 67 Ford Mustang just fine so it's not a real worry for me. The newer
refrigerant units (R-410 I believe) will cost more but supposedly will last
longer (ie. production of). That being said, all the guys that came out to
give me quotes seemed to think the R-410 was over hyped, under tested, and
not worth the extra expense. Time will tell. When the company did mine,
they had to run new supply lines through the ductwork under the house
(concrete slab), remove the old Evap. cooler, modify the furnace, and do all
the hookups. Mine's a 4 ton unit Rheem. Cost ended up being about $3400
however, I did all the electrical myself which saved about $500 off the bid
price. I got 3 quotes. The other 2 we $6500 and $10000. Both had
the electrical in them. I'd definitely recommend getting as many quotes as
reasonable to narrow the price down. Good luck.
Cheers,
cc

Noon-Air writes:

The difference is that R-22 is going away.

No it isn't. Suckers will just pay more.

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
.. .
Noon-Air writes:

The difference is that R-22 is going away.

No it isn't. Suckers will just pay more.

Yeah right.... and R-12 didn't go away in cars either

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
.. .
Noon-Air writes:

The difference is that R-22 is going away.

No it isn't. Suckers will just pay more.

Yeah right.... and R-12 didn't go away in cars either


It was replaced with r134a...

Curious, has anyone mentioned r417a lately ???

--

SVL

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
...

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message
...
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?

i


There are a number of factors which will drive costs. Which refrigerant
are you going with? R22 will be cheaper but there's a fear that you won't
be able to service your units in a few years as production of said
refrigerant and equipment will cease. I dunno, I can still get parts for
my 67 Ford Mustang just fine so it's not a real worry for me. The newer
refrigerant units (R-410 I believe) will cost more but supposedly will
last longer (ie. production of). That being said, all the guys that came
out to give me quotes seemed to think the R-410 was over hyped, under
tested, and not worth the extra expense. Time will tell. When the
company did mine, they had to run new supply lines through the ductwork
under the house (concrete slab), remove the old Evap. cooler, modify the
furnace, and do all the hookups. Mine's a 4 ton unit Rheem. Cost ended
up being about $3400 however, I did all the electrical myself which saved
about $500 off the bid price. I got 3 quotes. The other 2 we $6500
and $10000. Both had the electrical in them. I'd definitely recommend
getting as many quotes as reasonable to narrow the price down. Good
luck.
Cheers,
cc

Yup... and that was all before the first of this year.... what you didn't
bother to tell the guy was the efficiencies of the systems in the other
bids. Paying $3400 for a 4 ton Rheem system *installed*, had to be for a 10
SEER system, or your installer got it out the back door of a supply house.
In case you didn't bother to look, January 28 2006 the minimum efficiency
got jacked up to 13 SEER.

FYI a 4 ton 13 SEER heat pump and air handler, *installed* runs in the
neighborhood of $6,000 - $7,000.

Noon-Air writes:

R-12 didn't go away in cars either

No, it didn't. I still use it. Glut of it these days, in fact, compared
to the 90s.

"Noon-Air" wrote in message . ..

"Ignoramus1064" wrote in message .. .
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 19:39:48 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
Too damn cheap.... what corners is he cutting to be able to do it so cheap??
Bet its not the new R-410a refrigerant either.... in a couple of years, when
you need some more R-22, get ready to get ****ed hard as its phased out.





Ya right. You should never need to add refigerent! Leaks do happen but
not often. I find far more misdiagnosed over charged systems then I do leaks.



Um, what is the difference, thanks

The difference is that R-22 is going away.... the production will be cut back by an additional 65% in January of 2010...thats only
3 1/2 years away. At the same time. the manufactures will stop making *all* R-22 equipment. Maybe you should do a little homework
on the EPA and DOE websites.


Funny I just picked up a white jug of refrigerant last week. LOL

I've got a couple of the old 12 oz cans of R-12. Figured I ought to
sell them off. Well, they are going about $20 a can on Ebay, so maybe
the market isn't quite right. It appears that the outlawing R-12
didn't remove it from the marketplace.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Richard J Kinch" wrote in message
. ..
Noon-Air writes:

R-12 didn't go away in cars either

No, it didn't. I still use it. Glut of it these days, in fact,
compared
to the 90s.

What was your source?

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Danny G." wrote in message
. ..



Funny I just picked up a white jug of refrigerant last week. LOL

Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've got a couple of the old 12 oz cans of R-12. Figured I ought to
sell them off. Well, they are going about $20 a can on Ebay, so maybe
the market isn't quite right. It appears that the outlawing R-12
didn't remove it from the marketplace.

Since when has outlawing *anything* actually eliminated it?

Pete C.

Lets look at a couple examples. Outlawing murder.... did that help?
Washington DC and New York City outlawed private citizen poesession of
handguns. Did that help? Nationwide, the US outlawed cocaine, heroin,
crack cocaine. Did that help?

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Pete C." wrote in message
...
Stormin Mormon wrote:

I've got a couple of the old 12 oz cans of R-12. Figured I ought to
sell them off. Well, they are going about $20 a can on Ebay, so
maybe
the market isn't quite right. It appears that the outlawing R-12
didn't remove it from the marketplace.

Since when has outlawing *anything* actually eliminated it?

Pete C.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 13:09:32 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Lets look at a couple examples. Outlawing murder.... did that help?
Washington DC and New York City outlawed private citizen poesession of
handguns. Did that help? Nationwide, the US outlawed cocaine, heroin,
crack cocaine. Did that help?


So your point is that outlawing stupidity would not help you in the
least then?

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Sounds a bit high. When my boss and I put in a system it runs about 2
1/2 grand, not 5 grand. Of course, nothing costs as much as a trane.


So, if the condenser ALONE sells for $2200.00 you ****ing
two snappaheads install the thing for $2500.00

Nice.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message ...
I've got a couple of the old 12 oz cans of R-12. Figured I ought to
sell them off. Well, they are going about $20 a can on Ebay, so maybe
the market isn't quite right. It appears that the outlawing R-12
didn't remove it from the marketplace.


You can still buy it there is just no demand.

For example: United Refrigeration
http://www.uri.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.... OnlineFlag=1

Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?



Thats a 16 SEER split system heat pump right?

These links might be useful.
http://trane.com/residential/product...mps/xl15i.aspx
http://trane.com/Residential/Product...s/Compare.aspx



You might want to call your local building department or whatever and
ask them about the new rules for "duct leakage" and whats required by
them.

My city's building department is not requiring any of this years new rules
for duct leakage compliance or testing for a "change-out." But if they did
it could be expensive.

grrrrrrrr. Remove all cloth duct tape from existing duct work or pressure
testing for example.

GL
Dan

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:28:34 GMT, Danny G. wrote:
Our contractor quoted us $5,000 for installation of Trane 15i air
conditioner. That includes both inside as well as outside unit.

Is that reasonable?



Thats a 16 SEER split system heat pump right?

These links might be useful.
http://trane.com/residential/product...mps/xl15i.aspx
http://trane.com/Residential/Product...s/Compare.aspx

This is a A/C:

http://www.trane.com/residential/pro...ers/xl15i.aspx

We have gas heating.

You might want to call your local building department or whatever and
ask them about the new rules for "duct leakage" and whats required by
them.

I figure, this contractor must know about it, they have been around
for decades. If it was some fly by night HVAC guy, I would worry a lot
more.

i

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..
Too damn cheap.... what corners is he cutting to be able to do it so
cheap?? Bet its not the new R-410a refrigerant either.... in a couple of
years, when you need some more R-22, get ready to get ****ed hard as its
phased out.

Or wait until they have R-410B and then you'll really get ****ed.
Let's face it you have to have PLANNED obsolescence in products
or we'd all be out of work. Yeah I know the "new" refrigerant is
good for the environment.......the PAYCHECK environment.
Xeno

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..


Yup... and that was all before the first of this year.... what you didn't
bother to tell the guy was the efficiencies of the systems in the other
bids. Paying $3400 for a 4 ton Rheem system *installed*, had to be for a
10 SEER system, or your installer got it out the back door of a supply
house. In case you didn't bother to look, January 28 2006 the minimum
efficiency got jacked up to 13 SEER.

FYI a 4 ton 13 SEER heat pump and air handler, *installed* runs in the
neighborhood of $6,000 - $7,000.


Wrong. My unit is a 13 SEER.

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..


Yup... and that was all before the first of this year.... what you didn't
bother to tell the guy was the efficiencies of the systems in the other
bids. Paying $3400 for a 4 ton Rheem system *installed*, had to be for a
10 SEER system, or your installer got it out the back door of a supply
house. In case you didn't bother to look, January 28 2006 the minimum
efficiency got jacked up to 13 SEER.

FYI a 4 ton 13 SEER heat pump and air handler, *installed* runs in the
neighborhood of $6,000 - $7,000.


Wrong. My unit is a 13 SEER.

got model numbers??
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?

i

"Ignoramus3077" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes
belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?


Was Chicken Little mistaken ?

--

SVL

"Bob_Loblaw" wrote in message
...
"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote



Was Chicken Little mistaken ?


That, I can't answer, but I do have an inside source that tells me he's
pretty sure that Humpty Dumpty was pushed.....




Just sometin I got going at present.. a nagging issue where a certain
individual wants to always push the installing of a complete new system...

And so he goes on and on about non-existant warranty issues, the possible
un-availability of gas...

Remind you of anyone here ???

--

SVL

"PrecisionMachinisT" wrote



Was Chicken Little mistaken ?


That, I can't answer, but I do have an inside source that tells me he's
pretty sure that Humpty Dumpty was pushed.....




--
Respectfully, Bob

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..


got model numbers??
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??


Sure. RCBA048 Coil. RAND048JAZ 4 ton, 13 SEER condenser.

I hardly believe they'll be going belly up any time soon. They've been in
business here for over 35 years. (or is it 40. Don't remember but either
way they are one of the most respected outfits here in town). Just what
sort of labor rates are you using anyway?

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..


got model numbers??
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes
belly
up working for free??


Sure. RCBA048 Coil. RAND048JAZ 4 ton, 13 SEER condenser.

I hardly believe they'll be going belly up any time soon. They've been in
business here for over 35 years. (or is it 40. Don't remember but either
way they are one of the most respected outfits here in town). Just what
sort of labor rates are you using anyway?


There was a hurricane last year in his area....very easy to get good fortune
mixed up with business savvy.

That and with his apparently always pressuring folks about the possible
unavailability of 22 gas or a drop-in by say the year 2015 or somesuch, then
appears he's maybe currently selling them things like hotcakes.

( Prolly still mostly if not all items sold are still running r-22.)

--Don't like it all then suggest start your own ****ing hvac business.

--

SVL

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
. ..

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
. ..


got model numbers??
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes
belly up working for free??


Sure. RCBA048 Coil. RAND048JAZ 4 ton, 13 SEER condenser.

OK.... you did get bent over.....
13 SEER condenser with a 10 SEER coil... the coil should have been an
RCHJ-48A2 or an RCFJ-AU4821AC to actually get 13 SEER

I hardly believe they'll be going belly up any time soon. They've been in
business here for over 35 years. (or is it 40. Don't remember but either
way they are one of the most respected outfits here in town). Just what
sort of labor rates are you using anyway?

My labor rates have not changed in almost 2 years, but your right, I do need
to raise my rates due to the rising costs of parts, materials. fuel,
insurance, utilities, groceries, etc.

On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 04:32:12 GMT, Ignoramus3077
wrote:

On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?

i


When are you going to go away?