"Noon-Air" wrote in message
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OK.... you did get bent over.....
13 SEER condenser with a 10 SEER coil... the coil should have been an
RCHJ-48A2 or an RCFJ-AU4821AC to actually get 13 SEER

I hardly believe they'll be going belly up any time soon. They've been
in business here for over 35 years. (or is it 40. Don't remember but
either way they are one of the most respected outfits here in town).
Just what sort of labor rates are you using anyway?

My labor rates have not changed in almost 2 years, but your right, I do
need to raise my rates due to the rising costs of parts, materials. fuel,
insurance, utilities, groceries, etc.

I don't have the expansion valve numbers handy but what I do remember is the
combination gave me a SEER between 12-14. I haven't gotten my first
electric bill yet so time will tell. All I know is the system works great
and I didn't get bent over. Either way, the parts are relatively the same
price wise (certainly not thousands apart) so I still think $6-7k is still
too much. Keep in mind I did my own electrical....which knocked off $500.

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
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"Noon-Air" wrote in message
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OK.... you did get bent over.....
13 SEER condenser with a 10 SEER coil... the coil should have been an
RCHJ-48A2 or an RCFJ-AU4821AC to actually get 13 SEER

I hardly believe they'll be going belly up any time soon. They've been
in business here for over 35 years. (or is it 40. Don't remember but
either way they are one of the most respected outfits here in town).
Just what sort of labor rates are you using anyway?

My labor rates have not changed in almost 2 years, but your right, I do
need to raise my rates due to the rising costs of parts, materials. fuel,
insurance, utilities, groceries, etc.

I don't have the expansion valve numbers handy but what I do remember is
the combination gave me a SEER between 12-14. I haven't gotten my first
electric bill yet so time will tell. All I know is the system works
great and I didn't get bent over. Either way, the parts are relatively
the same price wise (certainly not thousands apart) so I still think $6-7k
is still too much. Keep in mind I did my own electrical....which knocked
off $500.

Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has an
expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ, NOT an RCBA. The
RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches wide. I
suppose that you are still using a one-speed furnace with it?? To actually
*GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a variable speed
blower....but you already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace combination,
*installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

"Ignoramus3077" wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?


No you are correct. BUT he has a valid point.


I can only speak for myself, but I do not want to eat the extra time (claim forms ...) on
warranty repairs unless I know the customer.

8(

"Noon-Air" wrote in message
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Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has an
expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ, NOT an RCBA. The
RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches wide. I
suppose that you are still using a one-speed furnace with it?? To actually
*GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a variable speed
blower....but you already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace combination,
*installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

Well at the end of the day, I know what I've got is working just fine and
for half of what you seem to think it should have cost.
All the more reason to get more than one bid. I'm moving on to better
conversations.......

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
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"Noon-Air" wrote in message
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Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has an
expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ, NOT an RCBA. The
RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches wide.
I suppose that you are still using a one-speed furnace with it?? To
actually *GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a variable
speed blower....but you already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace
combination, *installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

Well at the end of the day, I know what I've got is working just fine and
for half of what you seem to think it should have cost.
All the more reason to get more than one bid. I'm moving on to better
conversations.......

yeah yeah.... all you got was half of what you paid half price for.
You got it cheap, you didn't get it right.

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
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"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...


Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has an
expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ, NOT an RCBA. The
RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches wide.
I suppose that you are still using a one-speed furnace with it?? To
actually *GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a variable
speed blower....but you already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace
combination, *installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

Well at the end of the day, I know what I've got is working just fine and
for half of what you seem to think it should have cost.
All the more reason to get more than one bid. I'm moving on to better
conversations.......


I love those...the: "what *I* have is working just fine" units....

Normally, they call back later and ask if the original quote to make it
rights good still.


BTW....dunno how many of you got your new price sheets this week...thanks to
copper going up, so did equipment....25% across the board.

"aka-SBM" wrote in message ...

"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message . ..

"Noon-Air" wrote in message ...


Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has an expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ,
NOT an RCBA. The RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches wide. I suppose that you are still using a
one-speed furnace with it?? To actually *GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a variable speed blower....but you
already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace combination, *installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

Well at the end of the day, I know what I've got is working just fine and for half of what you seem to think it should have cost.
All the more reason to get more than one bid. I'm moving on to better conversations.......


I love those...the: "what *I* have is working just fine" units....

Normally, they call back later and ask if the original quote to make it rights good still.


BTW....dunno how many of you got your new price sheets this week...thanks to copper going up, so did equipment....25% across the
board.

I sure hope that's not true. 25% geeze... What copper have to go up price 500%
or something to do that.

I'll have to check with my supplier... they had a 10% increase last month.

"Danny G." wrote in message
m...

"aka-SBM" wrote in message
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"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message
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"Noon-Air" wrote in message
...


Geese... you just can't seem to get your story straight..... if it has
an expantion valve on it, its either an RCHJ or an RCGJ, NOT an RCBA.
The RCBA-048 is 21 inches wide, the RCHJ/RCGJ-48A2 coils are 24 inches
wide. I suppose that you are still using a one-speed furnace with it??
To actually *GET* 13 SEER with any of the Rheem "M" coils require a
variable speed blower....but you already knew that.
As I said, a RAND-048JAZ, with the *correct* coil and furnace
combination, *installed* is $6,000 - 7,000.

Well at the end of the day, I know what I've got is working just fine
and for half of what you seem to think it should have cost.
All the more reason to get more than one bid. I'm moving on to better
conversations.......


I love those...the: "what *I* have is working just fine" units....

Normally, they call back later and ask if the original quote to make it
rights good still.


BTW....dunno how many of you got your new price sheets this week...thanks
to copper going up, so did equipment....25% across the board.

I sure hope that's not true. 25% geeze... What copper have to go up price
500%
or something to do that.

The warranty is originally assigned to the contractor that purchased it. If
you are unhappyt with that contractor, you can have it transferred to
another Trane Contractor for $25

--
Bob Pietrangelo


www.comfort-solution.biz
On Time or Your Service Call is FREE
Preventive Maintenance Specialist




"Ignoramus3077" wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes
belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?

i

Danny, the warranty is a fair mark-up on price and a livable labor rate. It
is great when you can couple it with a PM contract. Then the customer never
turns down a repair, and you are already there doing a PM

--
Bob Pietrangelo


www.comfort-solution.biz
On Time or Your Service Call is FREE
Preventive Maintenance Specialist




"Danny G." wrote in message
m...

"Ignoramus3077" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes
belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?


No you are correct. BUT he has a valid point.


I can only speak for myself, but I do not want to eat the extra time
(claim forms ...) on
warranty repairs unless I know the customer.

8(

"Bob Pietrangelo" wrote in message . ..
Danny, the warranty is a fair mark-up on price and a livable labor rate. It is great when you can couple it with a PM contract.
Then the customer never turns down a repair, and you are already there doing a PM


Yes. Doing the startup end for a commercial HVAC contractor gets me some
sweet PM contracts. 8)






--
Bob Pietrangelo


www.comfort-solution.biz
On Time or Your Service Call is FREE
Preventive Maintenance Specialist




"Danny G." wrote in message m...

"Ignoramus3077" wrote in message . ..
On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 22:32:44 -0500, Noon-Air wrote:
BTW...what you gonna do for warranty repairs when the installer goes belly
up working for free??

I thought that warranty is offered by manufacturers and warranty work
can be done by any authorized reps. Am I mistaken?


No you are correct. BUT he has a valid point.


I can only speak for myself, but I do not want to eat the extra time (claim forms ...) on
warranty repairs unless I know the customer.

8(