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The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard.
They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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Thanks Tom. I have not met them, but their windows face mine and they
seem like decent folks. Thought I would ask as others have told me to just do it. I have never had problems with my neighbors, so this may definitely be the route to take. Many thanks. Corinne tom wrote: Ask first, Corrine. It can't hurt. Tom Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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Ask first, Corrine. It can't hurt. Tom
Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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And if they're amenable, do a really good job. Tom
Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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And stop looking through their windows! : ) (Gawd, for some reason I
dislike emoticons. That one must be my 6th, ever. I'd hope my humor would be obvious to most folks!) Tom Corinne wrote: Thanks Tom. I have not met them, but their windows face mine and they seem like decent folks. |
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![]() "Corinne" wrote in message ... The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne I know I'd be royally ****ed if my neighbors took it upon themselves to "clean up" my property. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. |
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Eigenvector wrote:
"Corinne" wrote in message ... The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne I know I'd be royally ****ed if my neighbors took it upon themselves to "clean up" my property. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. Hmmm, Kinda insulting? I once parked my fifth wheel in my back yard when first moved into this house 11 years ago, guy behind one day came to me and asked me to give him some money so he can plant a tree or two to block the view of my trailer roof. I just shut the door in his face. |
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The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built
up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. They cannot even see the back of the shed unless they come into my back yard. In fact, the overhang of the roof is on my property line, but that does not bother me. Seems to me they should be the one cleaning up their property, but I know what you mean. Corinne Eigenvector wrote: "Corinne" wrote in message ... The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne I know I'd be royally ****ed if my neighbors took it upon themselves to "clean up" my property. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. |
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I am quite handy, and love to paint. It would be done first class, but
then again, they would never see it. They have to enter my back yard to see it. It really is an eyesore for me, not them. Thanks. Corinne tom wrote: And if they're amenable, do a really good job. Tom Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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LOL
This is impossible to do as they live in a tri-level, which overlooks my back yard. My home is a rambler. But, they built a real nice roof type thing (cannot think of the name of it) next to their fence, and during the summer months, loads of green climbing plants cover it so it creates loads of privacy. It was built, I am sure, to give them some cover from the sun as they have a pool, and no trees in the backyard. Kate tom wrote: And stop looking through their windows! : ) (Gawd, for some reason I dislike emoticons. That one must be my 6th, ever. I'd hope my humor would be obvious to most folks!) Tom Corinne wrote: Thanks Tom. I have not met them, but their windows face mine and they seem like decent folks. |
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yeah its a fence do as you want. i would still ask first perhaps take a
photo since they cant see it from their side. neighbor hassles are best avoided |
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Here code requires 10 feet inside line for practical reasons even brand
new sheds are placed at or within a foot of the line. |
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In article , Mortimer Schnerd, RN says...
wrote: yeah its a fence do as you want. i would still ask first perhaps take a photo since they cant see it from their side. neighbor hassles are best avoided I'm of the belief that what they don't know won't hurt them. You aren't planning on taking away from the value of their shed so just do it. They'll never know. I firmly believe it's much easier to get forgiveness than permission. I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. They have little motivation to paint back there. They can't see it and it would involve an invasion of your yard for them to access it. Avoid all the hassle and just take care of the problem with no fanfare. A recipe for a rotten relationship with a neighbor. Banty -- |
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:24:08 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:
Kinda insulting? I once parked my fifth wheel in my back yard when first moved into this house 11 years ago, guy behind one day came to me and asked me to give him some money so he can plant a tree or two to block the view of my trailer roof. I just shut the door in his face. Neighbors can be interesting. We have one who put up a stockade fence 5 or 6 feet inside his property line last Spring. Later in the summer, I was out working in the yard, and he came by to complain that I wasn't maintaining the foliage that butts up against his fence - basically, raspberry bushes. I pointed out that not only would I have been trespassing, but that I preferred that the raspberries be allowed to grow wild along the entire property line, as they provide a nice barrier and food source for the local animals. His response? "Well, it's still your job to maintain them on your side of the fence." Either he had no idea where the property line was ( possible, considering how much of his own land he had effectively cut off ), or he considered maintenance of his property to be a community effort. ;-) - Rich |
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Banty wrote:
I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. What work? Nobody needs to ask the owner for anything. He won't even know. I assume from the OP that they're planning to use the original color. They have little motivation to paint back there. They can't see it and it would involve an invasion of your yard for them to access it. Avoid all the hassle and just take care of the problem with no fanfare. A recipe for a rotten relationship with a neighbor. It sounds like they already lack much of a relationship. Fix what bothers you and don't worry about it. When is the owner coming into your yard to inspect the back of his shed? It sounds like it never happens. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN VE |
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According to Abe :
The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. That was a pretty critical piece of information to leave out until now, dont'cha think? You could have saved some spinning wheels if you had said this in the first place. If it's a shared fence, you have every right to paint your side. Since the back of the shed is de facto part of your side of the fence, you have the right to paint it. How do you know it's a shared "fence"? Unless it's exactly on the property line, you can't really tell. In situations like this, it's always best to ask. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:24:08 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:
Eigenvector wrote: "Corinne" wrote in message ... The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne I know I'd be royally ****ed if my neighbors took it upon themselves to "clean up" my property. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. Hmmm, Kinda insulting? I once parked my fifth wheel in my back yard when first moved into this house 11 years ago, guy behind one day came to me and asked me to give him some money so he can plant a tree or two to block the view of my trailer roof. I just shut the door in his face. |
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![]() user wrote: His response? "Well, it's still your job to maintain them on your side of the fence." Either he had no idea where the property line was ( possible, considering how much of his own land he had effectively cut off ), or he considered maintenance of his property to be a community effort. ;-) Hmm... This might work out well for you. Look up "adverse possession". The law is different in different states... |
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In article , Mortimer Schnerd, RN
says... Banty wrote: I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. What work? Nobody needs to ask the owner for anything. He won't even know. I assume from the OP that they're planning to use the original color. They have little motivation to paint back there. They can't see it and it would involve an invasion of your yard for them to access it. Avoid all the hassle and just take care of the problem with no fanfare. A recipe for a rotten relationship with a neighbor. It sounds like they already lack much of a relationship. Fix what bothers you and don't worry about it. When is the owner coming into your yard to inspect the back of his shed? It sounds like it never happens. They talk; there's no mention of a conflict. No reasons to create a reason for a conflict. Sneaking around doing stuff that's not clearly in your purview with the rationalizaton "easier to ask forgiveness than permission" gets folks nowhere. If you think that attitude's been working for you, it's because folks just don't want to deal with you (and likely are giving you the same treatment in the meantime). Banty -- |
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On 14 Jun 2006 09:28:01 -0700, z wrote:
user wrote: His response? "Well, it's still your job to maintain them on your side of the fence." Either he had no idea where the property line was ( possible, considering how much of his own land he had effectively cut off ), or he considered maintenance of his property to be a community effort. ;-) Hmm... This might work out well for you. Look up "adverse possession". The law is different in different states... Call me odd, but I have little interest in benefiting from someone else's stupididity, especially if it ends up ultimately raising my tax bill. ;-) - Rich |
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Corinne wrote:
The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. They cannot even see the back of the shed unless they come into my back yard. In fact, the overhang of the roof is on my property line, but that does not bother me. Seems to me they should be the one cleaning up their property, but I know what you mean. Corinne Looks like a situation that could start WW3 ![]() but the whole issue could be real complicated. Is it on your property? If so, probably gives you more right to paint it, but then they might someday own that little piece of land. If it is on the line, and a permanent building, it might violate setback or easement requirements. It may not be practical, but I think it would be better to plant a hedge that hides it or add fencing to cross what is missing and paint to match existing fence. |
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On 6/14/2006 12:15 AM or thereabouts, Corinne appears, somewhat
unbelievably, to have opined: LOL This is impossible to do as they live in a tri-level, which overlooks my back yard. My home is a rambler. But, they built a real nice roof type thing (cannot think of the name of it) next to their fence, and during the summer months, loads of green climbing plants cover it so it creates loads of privacy. It was built, I am sure, to give them some cover from the sun as they have a pool, and no trees in the backyard. Kate Sounds like a pergola. -- As a child, my parents thought I was an idiot-savant. Now, however, it is rather clear that I'm simply an idiot. |
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![]() Chris Lewis wrote in message ... How do you know it's a shared "fence"? Unless it's exactly on the property line, you can't really tell. In situations like this, it's always best to ask. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. I agree with you. Bad relations with neighbors can be a nightmare, especially when it can be avoided with something as simple as asking before doing. Personally, I wouldn't care that much if somebody painted the back of my shed without asking, but I would file them away as a little pushy somewhere in the back of my mind. Cheri |
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![]() Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote: Banty wrote: I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. What work? Nobody needs to ask the owner for anything. He won't even know. I assume from the OP that they're planning to use the original color. Is the shed on the OP's property? (We have a split rail fence -- it's 1' inside our property line, and I'd be weirded out if people opted to beautify it/stain it, given that it's on our property). If the shed wall is on the property line, it's polite to ask (actually, I'm scratching my head on this one, as we have a 20' setback from the property line requirement for all structures...) Caledonia |
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![]() Caledonia wrote: Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote: Banty wrote: I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. What work? Nobody needs to ask the owner for anything. He won't even know. I assume from the OP that they're planning to use the original color. Is the shed on the OP's property? (We have a split rail fence -- it's 1' inside our property line, and I'd be weirded out if people opted to beautify it/stain it, given that it's on our property). If the shed wall is on the property line, it's polite to ask (actually, I'm scratching my head on this one, as we have a 20' setback from the property line requirement for all structures...) Caledonia I agree. I sure would not paint someone elses shed, even if it were exactly on the property line, without asking first. It would seem very likely that they would be happy to have it painted. And if they are the type to tell you not to when you ask, then painting it could result in all kinds of future trouble. I also don't buy the idea that they won't likely find out. More likely, soon as you're out there with a paint can and brush, they will just happen to see you. And then what? |
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Depends on how good you are at dodging bullets !!!!
On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:19:26 -0700, Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 19:19:26 -0700, Corinne
wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. I'm not sure. Can I paint your house without getting your approval first? Corinne |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:40:44 -0700, Corinne
wrote: Thanks Tom. I have not met them, How did they manage to tell you that were going to reside their house. but their windows face mine and they seem like decent folks. Have you ever seen decent folk when they get riled? Thought I would ask as others have told me to just do it. The others are morons. I have never had problems with my neighbors, so this may definitely be the route to take. Have you thought about suggesting the do their shed in the same siding they do their house? It might delay things but it would sure look nice. Maybe they'd let you paint the shed in the meantime, but how they know if you do good work or not? How do they know if you will treat their house as well as your own. I wouldn't let you do it. Many thanks. Corinne tom wrote: Ask first, Corrine. It can't hurt. Tom Corinne wrote: The back of my neighbors' shed faces my backyard. They told me they were going to re-side the entire house last October. It never happened. In the meantime, the back side of the shed is starting to make my view look tacky. It needs paint, and a few boards need to be nailed back on. Can I paint the back side of their shed, without their approval, or do I need to ask? Thanks. Corinne |
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On Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:10:33 -0700, Corinne
wrote: The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. Maybe she could get a big mirror. |
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On 14 Jun 2006 06:10:36 -0700, Banty wrote:
But she won't know until she makes a friendly approach to the neighbor about it. They're neighbors. She should have baked them a cake and brought it over when they first moved in, with no strings attached. IF she can't bake, she can buy a pie. A month or two from now she can bring up the shed. Banty |
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On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 04:42:34 -0700, Abe wrote:
The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. That was a pretty critical piece of information to leave out until now, dont'cha think? You could have saved some spinning wheels if you had said this in the first place. If it's a shared fence, you have every right to paint your side. Since the back of the shed is de facto part of your side of the fence, you have the right to paint it. She didn't describe a shared fence, and she doesn't have the right to paint it. She also hasn't said where the property line is. AFAWCT, the shed and the fence are entirely the neighbors. But I agree with you that she should have given all the details at the start instead of as you well put it, letting us [potentially] spin our wheels. |
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On 14 Jun 2006 06:56:30 -0700, Banty wrote:
In article , Mortimer Schnerd, RN says... wrote: yeah its a fence do as you want. i would still ask first perhaps take a photo since they cant see it from their side. neighbor hassles are best avoided I'm of the belief that what they don't know won't hurt them. You aren't planning on taking away from the value of their shed so just do it. They'll never know. I firmly believe it's much easier to get forgiveness than permission. This might be true, is probably true sometimes, about parents, or maybe spouses or children or siblings. But if you think it is true of neighbors, you are so wrong. They will likely never forgive her and will certainly never trust her. And no matter what other people have said, she'd be breaking the law. It won't just be those neighbors who won't trust her. I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. They have little motivation to paint back there. They can't see it and it would involve an invasion of your yard for them to access it. If so, they would ask permission before doing it. The OP can save them time and give htem permission when she brings the subject up. Avoid all the hassle and just take care of the problem with no fanfare. A recipe for a rotten relationship with a neighbor. Banty |
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I would think that being allowed to paint the back of their shed would
also perserve it as it is in bad need of paint. I don't think it is fair that I have to look at it, when they do not. My back yard is beautifully maintained, and I take pride in it. I don't see this as being pushy, but then again, I may be wrong. It seems disrespectful to me, as I would never do this to a neighbor. Thanks everyone for all the responses. Much appreciated. Corinne Cheri wrote: Chris Lewis wrote in message ... How do you know it's a shared "fence"? Unless it's exactly on the property line, you can't really tell. In situations like this, it's always best to ask. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. I agree with you. Bad relations with neighbors can be a nightmare, especially when it can be avoided with something as simple as asking before doing. Personally, I wouldn't care that much if somebody painted the back of my shed without asking, but I would file them away as a little pushy somewhere in the back of my mind. Cheri |
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Right. Thanks.
Dennis Turner wrote: On 6/14/2006 12:15 AM or thereabouts, Corinne appears, somewhat unbelievably, to have opined: LOL This is impossible to do as they live in a tri-level, which overlooks my back yard. My home is a rambler. But, they built a real nice roof type thing (cannot think of the name of it) next to their fence, and during the summer months, loads of green climbing plants cover it so it creates loads of privacy. It was built, I am sure, to give them some cover from the sun as they have a pool, and no trees in the backyard. Kate Sounds like a pergola. |
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This is my second option. I do have a big tree in front of some of it.
It is right on the property line, but the overhang is on my property. I don't mind that as I have a small Yorkie and we can both stand underneath it in the rain, and she stays dry. I am not a troublemaker, and never had a problem with a neighbor. My yard is immaculate, and it would be oh so much nicer if the shed were painted. I won't be doing anything without asking, and will wait another year . I cannot imagine them putting it off longer than this as the house is in bad need of siding repair. Thanks. Corinne Norminn wrote: Corinne wrote: The problem is that the neighbors don't see it. They have a fence built up to the side of the shed, and the shed makes up for the rest of the fence. They cannot even see the back of the shed unless they come into my back yard. In fact, the overhang of the roof is on my property line, but that does not bother me. Seems to me they should be the one cleaning up their property, but I know what you mean. Corinne Looks like a situation that could start WW3 ![]() but the whole issue could be real complicated. Is it on your property? If so, probably gives you more right to paint it, but then they might someday own that little piece of land. If it is on the line, and a permanent building, it might violate setback or easement requirements. It may not be practical, but I think it would be better to plant a hedge that hides it or add fencing to cross what is missing and paint to match existing fence. |
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Thanks for all the replies.
I personally think these are very nice neighbors. I only have met the wife, once, when I moved in a year ago. They have a pool, and it is full of kids during the summer months, and I don't complain about the noise, ever. I think neighborly relationships work both ways, and I plan to keep this one on a nice/friendly tone. As I said before, they live in a tri-level, and I have a rambler. We are both very courteous of each others privacy even though they are looking down on me. It really is a nice set up, considering how the two houses are built. Corinne Banty wrote: In article , Mortimer Schnerd, RN says... wrote: yeah its a fence do as you want. i would still ask first perhaps take a photo since they cant see it from their side. neighbor hassles are best avoided I'm of the belief that what they don't know won't hurt them. You aren't planning on taking away from the value of their shed so just do it. They'll never know. I firmly believe it's much easier to get forgiveness than permission. I'm much more willing to work with someone asking my permission, than I am when I'm confronted with a fait accompli. So I beg to differ. They have little motivation to paint back there. They can't see it and it would involve an invasion of your yard for them to access it. Avoid all the hassle and just take care of the problem with no fanfare. A recipe for a rotten relationship with a neighbor. Banty |
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Good points Banty.
The neighbors must know how tacky it looks as their entire outside of the house needs to be redone. She said they were going to do it last October, but it never happened. They have made some nice home repairs lately, but the siding is yet to be done. I will wait another year and then see what happens. At any rate, I won't get into it with them and will put my own fence up if need be. Thanks. Corinne Banty wrote: In article . com, says... wrote: Here code requires 10 feet inside line for practical reasons even brand new sheds are placed at or within a foot of the line. I agree. The OP could check with the municipal zoning officer and find out what the requirements are. In many places, you can't put a shed right at the property line. IMO, the neighbors are pretty much idiots who don't give a damn. Who else would skip making a property line fence complete and instead use a shed to complete it? Then, it's up to the OP which route to go to solve the eyesore. Corrine should check zoning and city records, true. But, chances are pretty high the neighbors aren't the ones who actually put it there, and the shed may be grandfathered if it isn't even currently legal. If all she wants is to be able to fix it up on her side, that's a perfectly viable option to be considered. Although it's a good idea to check with the town first to see what the zoning laws are (here, for example, fences in my town can go right on the property line), where the shed is exactly (possibly, it *is* a few inches on the neighbor's side of the line!), and what the legal status of the shed is. She should also be aware of any adverse possession possibilities. However, there are perfectly good reasons to just agree with the neighbor for a fix-up whatever the case. Clearly, from her posts, the shed itself doesn't bother her, it's its rundown appearance, and she's happy to just have it fixed up. It's even possible the neighbor isn't aware of the appearance, and will jump to offer to have it fixed on their dime. BTDT. But she won't know until she makes a friendly approach to the neighbor about it. Banty |
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