Hi,

I'm thinking of connecting, as temporary service, an LP tank to my gas line
at home.

What I have in mind is a small tank, that is normally used with outdoor
grills. I could adapt it somehow to feed the pipes.

I only need it for small amount of cooking and heating the hot water at min
temp and min usage.

I do realize that LP does not have the same energy content, but so what. It
would take a little longer to make coffee :-)
Well the coffee is not the problem, the microwave is fine for that, but it's
difficult to heat the water for a shower with uwave.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Regards,

RichK

On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:50:12 -0400, "RichK" wrote:

Hi,

I'm thinking of connecting, as temporary service, an LP tank to my gas line
at home.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Yes!

Regards,
RichK

You're just trolling to see if anyone knows anything about propane,
right?

Nat. Gas: 1 cu.ft.= 1000 btu
Propane: 1 cu. ft.= 2500 btu

You can get retrofit kits for everything, then put back the natural
parts when you paid the gas bill. Oops! I mean when your done with
your experiment.


-zero

"zero" wrote in message
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On Thu, 8 Jun 2006 17:50:12 -0400, "RichK" wrote:

Hi,

I'm thinking of connecting, as temporary service, an LP tank to my gas
line
at home.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Yes!

Regards,
RichK

You're just trolling to see if anyone knows anything about propane,
right?

Nat. Gas: 1 cu.ft.= 1000 btu
Propane: 1 cu. ft.= 2500 btu

You can get retrofit kits for everything, then put back the natural
parts when you paid the gas bill. Oops! I mean when your done with
your experiment.


-zero



So propane has more energy per unit volume. The stove would be hotter if
you did not retrofit. Could end up with a dangerous towering flame instead
of the cool flame you expect. Maybe you can throttle down the range top but
the oven and water heater would be dangerous to operate.

For the short term, if it is primarily a warm shower you are after, I
suggest you buy a camping style solar water shower and shower in the
evening. It's basically a plastic bag with a hose attached, you fill it in
the morning and set it in the sun until you are ready to use it. Shower
quickly, they only hold a few gallons.

"PipeDown" wrote in message

So propane has more energy per unit volume. The stove would be hotter if
you did not retrofit.

Sorry had the energy content backwards.

Could end up with a dangerous towering flame instead
of the cool flame you expect. Maybe you can throttle down the range top
but
the oven and water heater would be dangerous to operate.

I felt the stove is no problem, as you have good control over the flame and
good visual feedback of what's going on.

For the short term, if it is primarily a warm shower you are after,

For that matter, it's summer here, so even cold water is not that cold. Or
a friends house.

Since I had it backwards, I did not feel there was any problem with lower
heat output. Water heater cannot control the flame, unless I change over,
which I do not want to do for a very short time. With the heat about 2.5
times it could accelerate the aging of the WH. Did not think the diff was
big enough for a short time to cause any serious harm.

And to Zero - yeh those gas bills will kill you, if you don't watch it man.
You're very perceptive - consider doing palm readings too.

Regards,

RichK

so why do you want to do this? attempting to save on gas bill? gas shut
off for non payment of bill?

the orifices and controls arent easily compatble, and the conversoion
costs will kill you

"RichK" wrote in message
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"PipeDown" wrote in message

So propane has more energy per unit volume. The stove would be hotter if
you did not retrofit.

Sorry had the energy content backwards.

I assume Zero is right, I didn't check the fact

Could end up with a dangerous towering flame instead
of the cool flame you expect. Maybe you can throttle down the range top
but
the oven and water heater would be dangerous to operate.

I felt the stove is no problem, as you have good control over the flame
and
good visual feedback of what's going on.


If all you wanted was the stove, I would have suggested a gas BBQ


For the short term, if it is primarily a warm shower you are after,

For that matter, it's summer here, so even cold water is not that cold.
Or
a friends house.

Since I had it backwards, I did not feel there was any problem with lower
heat output. Water heater cannot control the flame, unless I change over,
which I do not want to do for a very short time. With the heat about 2.5
times it could accelerate the aging of the WH. Did not think the diff was
big enough for a short time to cause any serious harm.

And to Zero - yeh those gas bills will kill you, if you don't watch it
man.
You're very perceptive - consider doing palm readings too.

Regards,

RichK



I was about to suggest you look for a small propane tank WH and just swap it
out then I found this little beauty
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...32573917502498
at Wal-Mart of all places. Looks like you would need an adapter to use with
a bigger tank. Remember Propane makes lots of CO so don't use it indoors
without lots of ventilation.

I might just get one for camping and that earthquake that's supposed to
happen someday.

wrote in message

so why do you want to do this? attempting to save on gas bill? gas shut
off for non payment of bill?

Actually have to do major work on a wall, where the meter is, so have to
shut of off.
But might save money, since I'm a minimal user and the gas co charges more
just to maintain the account, than I use in the commodity.

the orifices and controls arent easily compatble, and the conversoion
costs will kill you

It probably would, if the intent was to operate with LP on continuous basis.
Just thought for a short time, nothing would get terribly overheated. The
stove I'm not at all worried about, bigger flame would benefit the wok
cooking that I do.

RichK

You cant just put propane into apliances without having them set up
right, jetting and a regulator are needed, you will honestly probably
blow your house up or have a fire. Call your apliance makers first

Rich,

Perhaps the others have not explained it well. The air-fuel mix is
important to the proper function of your gas devices.Using a different gas
requires that you adjust the air-fuel mix of all of your gas appliances.
This will require buying some new parts and probably some new tools. It
won't be cost effective to do this for a week's hot water. Trying to use the
improper air-fuel mix will not work in your case.

Dave M.

Thanks David for a sensible answer.

RichK

"David Martel"

Perhaps the others have not explained it well. The air-fuel mix is
important to the proper function of your gas devices.Using a different gas
requires that you adjust the air-fuel mix of all of your gas appliances.
This will require buying some new parts and probably some new tools. It
won't be cost effective to do this for a week's hot water. Trying to use
the
improper air-fuel mix will not work in your case.

Dave M.

As others have said propane and methane have different volume mixes.

Methane CH4 + 2 O2 = CO2 + 2 H2O

Propane C3H8 + 5 O2 = 3 CO2 + 4 H2O

so for a given volume of propane you need 2.5 times more air to burn. I
don't believe propane has an additive to give it the strong odor that is
added to natural gas so leak detection is more difficult as for example a
burner on the stove on low that went out. Except for home heating the cost
of natural gas is quite low. Most of my summer time gas bill is due to
fixed costs (I use gas for hot water, cooking and clothes drying).


"RichK" wrote in message
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Hi,

I'm thinking of connecting, as temporary service, an LP tank to my gas
line
at home.

What I have in mind is a small tank, that is normally used with outdoor
grills. I could adapt it somehow to feed the pipes.

I only need it for small amount of cooking and heating the hot water at
min
temp and min usage.

I do realize that LP does not have the same energy content, but so what.
It
would take a little longer to make coffee :-)
Well the coffee is not the problem, the microwave is fine for that, but
it's
difficult to heat the water for a shower with uwave.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Regards,

RichK