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Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to
install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote:
Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. |
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BP wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. |
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wrote in message oups.com... BP wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. |
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TV is getting way too complicated....
I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. You can get free HD over the air now. Flip the TV on, flip channels, watch TV in High Def. Free. My 74 year old mother who can't set the VCR timer can do it, so can you! |
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twfsa wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. What do you mean by "can't get all the channels"? What is the symptom? channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. never heard such a thing. Post this in alt.tech.hdtv for a better response. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Sounds like a cable problem to me. The TV tunes in whatever signal it receives. |
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Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. Yes, they are transmitting digital signals over the air and receivable with the proper antenna and tuner. See below: Got HDTV signals? There are three basic ways to receive HDTV signals: Over-the-air (OTA) broadcasts from your local network and PBS affiliate stations; digital satellite TV providers such as DIRECTV and EchoStar (DISHNetwork); and finally, HDTV via cable. The first step on the road to HDTV is determining what signals are available to you, and what equipment you need to receive those signals. (For more specific HD programming info, see our HDTV Links article.) a.. Over-the-air broadcasts: Digital TV broadcasts are currently being transmitted by 1550 stations in 211 TV markets around the country that include over 99% of U.S. TV households (as of 1/06). You can find out if any stations in your area are providing digital broadcasts by visiting this handy site and punching in your zip code (the site lists local cable HD availability, too). Or, check the National Association of Broadcasters' complete and up-to-date DTV station list. Be sure to note which channel numbers your local stations are using for their DTV broadcasts. Most are in the normal UHF range (14 through 83), meaning you can receive them with a UHF antenna. If some of the channels are below 14, you'll need a VHF/UHF antenna. For antenna information that's specific to your location, visit the Consumer Electronics Association's antenna selector website. We carry several TV antennas, including DTV-optimized models. What you need: an appropriate antenna for your signal conditions, and either an HDTV (a set with both HD-capable resolution and a built-in HDTV tuner), or an "HDTV-ready" TV connected to a separate HDTV tuner. |
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wrote in message oups.com... BP wrote: wrote in message ... On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. They already are in most larger markets. Remember of course you need a TV capable of HD digital. http://www.engadget.com/2006/02/02/a...-set-for-2009/ The comments "The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009" are just totally wrong. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV
(NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? yes, most stations already have a digital counterpart, for FREE. That's how many of us get High Def programming, over the air, absolutely free. In fact, the quality is better than cable or satellite because the compression over those services are greater than OTA (over the air). Go to www.antennaweb.org, type in your zip, and you can see what stations are broadcasting digitally in your area. Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. This is not satellite. Most digital stations are broadcast in the UHF band. |
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"twfsa" wrote in message news:xiTIf.64019$bF.41625@dukeread07... Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom Cable Card technology isn't quite there yet, IMO. People seem to experience a lot of the compatibility problems that you are and the cards don't have an interactive guide. I prefer my trusty Moto 6412 DVR stb with Comcast. Greg M |
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I also wouldn't go CableCard. It's my understanding that it's
unidirectional, in that it can tune in, but not send back. This means you cannot use some of the features your cable company offers like OnDemand programming. It is also my understanding that the cable card IS your tuner, you are not using your TV HD tuner but using your CableCard. Essentially the card is a small cable box, but is very limited in what it can do (as mentioned in other posts and this one). I can't see spending the money on digital/HD content but not using the interactive guide or having access to OnDemand content. |
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On 02/16/06 08:47 am BP wrote:
Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. Enter your ZIP code at http://www.antennaweb.org/ to find out what digital TV signals are being transmitted in your area (and at what distance and direction). We have an outside antenna for digital TV because DirecTV doesn't yet have our locals in HD. And we get even more channels than I expected, because some stations are transmitting on multiple "subchannels"; e.g., not just 36.1, but 36.2 and 36.3 as well. There might be both 4:3 and 16:9 versions of the same program, different programs, or perhaps continuously updated local weather information. Perce |
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"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message ... On 02/16/06 08:47 am BP wrote: Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. That's not true. The only thing being shut down is analog broadcast TV (NTSC). It's being replaced by digital broadcast which is also free, the same content, plus HD capability and it's already available in most areas. Really? Are you saying that they are going to broadcast (that means radio waves) a digital signal that can be received via antenna? Or are you talking about a digital signal that is transmitted via satellite that is recieved via dish? Give me a link so I can learn more about this new free service. Enter your ZIP code at http://www.antennaweb.org/ to find out what digital TV signals are being transmitted in your area (and at what distance and direction). We have an outside antenna for digital TV because DirecTV doesn't yet have our locals in HD. And we get even more channels than I expected, because some stations are transmitting on multiple "subchannels"; e.g., not just 36.1, but 36.2 and 36.3 as well. There might be both 4:3 and 16:9 versions of the same program, different programs, or perhaps continuously updated local weather information. Perce I stand corrected. Thanks for all the info. Being a captive of a cable company (big hill behind the house results in no direct broadcast signals) I was assuming it was the same deal. Maybe I should put up a big antenna on the top of the hill. |
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You will still be able to get free TV with the use of an off air
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Try 2007......You will need to purchase a box that will allow you to
receive digital signals. What do you think...People with TV's that have tuners that receive NTSC are going to go out and buy TV's with ATSC tuners? The box will adapt old TV's for new digital signals. Paul |
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Most local broadcast's are sending digital pictures because of the lack
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Lack of HD content? The major networks have most of their prime time
in HD. Fox in NYC even has it's live helicopter camera shots in HD now In many markets the local stations arent carrying full high def, they are sending out multiple feeds using the same bandwidth. channel one downgraded high def channel two shopping channel three business feed they want to maximize revenue $$$$ |
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"JerryL" wrote in message ... a.. Over-the-air broadcasts: Digital TV broadcasts are currently being transmitted by 1550 stations in 211 TV markets around the country that include over 99% of U.S. TV households (as of 1/06). You can find out if any stations in your area are providing digital broadcasts by visiting this handy site and punching in your zip code (the site lists local cable HD availability, too). See http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx I have an antenna and a box to receive the digital OTA broadcasts. The picure quality is equal to or BETTER than cable. The box I have is called US Digital, and Walmart sells it, but I think they may be discontinuing it. Randy R |
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wrote in message oups.com... You will still be able to get free TV with the use of an off air antenna. You will just need to purchase the box to pick up the digital signals. Paul FCC accelerated the time for all manufacturers to include off the ait ATSC and NTSC tuners in all TV sets by later this year. Previously the ruling only allowed for sets 13" and larger by this year. Pretty soon, you won't be seeing HD monitors where you have to buy the tuner seperately. I get my HD off a 20 year old roof antenna and get 2x more channels in HD than the cable company puts on the wire and I don't have to pay the $5 extra. |
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On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:39:38 -0500, "BP" wrote:
wrote in message .. . On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote: Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. Thanks Tom TV is getting way too complicated.... I just turn mine on, flip channels with the remote and watch it. Well, once and awhile i got to rotate the antenna. But no cards, no worry about HD, none of that, and best yet, no monthly bills. Better pay attention. The feds are shutting off free TV in 2009 to free up the bandwidth for communications. Pay to play is the US way. 1. They're shutting down the older broadcast system (NTSC). The digital ones (ATSC) can be as free as the older ones. 2. That date used to be earlier. Government often puts things off multiple times. I'd be surprised to find the change effective in 2009 as currently claimed. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:35:31 -0600, "twfsa" wrote:
Toshiba 52 in DLP, had the cable company ( Cox )out about 2 weeks ago, to install a cable card in my TV as it has a built in tuner and there is no need for a external box, the problem I am having is, I can't get all the channels in high def I am supose to all the time. The cable company has been out 2 times checked the signal,programed the card, all the connections and every thing checks out, they re-program the set to learn the channels, that works for a day or so then I start to loose channels, they are telling me that the TV manufacture and the cable card manufacture ,are sometimes not on the same page and its takes the card a few times to learn and hold the channels. Something wrong if the system keeps dropping channels. It's unlikely that repeated programming will help. Got them coming out tomorrow to check it out again and I want a different card. Anyone else experiencing the same or similar problems, with a cable card.( Motorola card ) I don't want a big ass cable box on the tv when I paided for a built in tuner. That "big ass cable box" (which may be small) will greatly improve versatility. It will mean you have access to the signal, and can feed it to anything you want (such as a DVD recorder). It would also help you to localize the problem (it is the cable box or the TV?). Thanks Tom -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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On 16 Feb 2006 09:01:34 -0800, "grodenhiATgmailDOTcom"
wrote: I also wouldn't go CableCard. It's my understanding that it's unidirectional, in that it can tune in, but not send back. Which could be very desirable for privacy reasons. This means you cannot use some of the features your cable company offers like OnDemand programming. It is also my understanding that the cable card IS your tuner, you are not using your TV HD tuner but using your CableCard. Essentially the card is a small cable box, but is very limited in what it can do (as mentioned in other posts and this one). I can't see spending the money on digital/HD content but not using the interactive guide or having access to OnDemand content. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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I stand corrected. Thanks for all the info. Being a captive of a cable company (big hill behind the house results in no direct broadcast signals) I was assuming it was the same deal. Maybe I should put up a big antenna on the top of the hill. It's the best picture you'll get, too, because the cable/satellite compress the video (remember, it's digital) more than your local network. |
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Re-read the post......I said LOCAL.
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Ya right.....
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Go back and do some more research. THe date is 2007 and I beleive it
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In article . com, on 17
Feb 2006 06:19:24 -0800, wrote: Go back and do some more research. THe date is 2007 and I beleive it is June. Last date for analog broadcasts is February 17, 2009. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html -- Seth Goodman |
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On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 09:42:50 -0500, Seth Goodman
wrote: In article . com, on 17 Feb 2006 06:19:24 -0800, wrote: Go back and do some more research. THe date is 2007 and I beleive it is June. Last date for analog broadcasts is February 17, 2009. http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/digitaltv.html Of course that's when it is NOW. When Feb 17 2009 gets here, that cutoff could be sometime in 2011. Don't forget it's been put off before, and is likely to be again. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Ya right....And you listen to Congress? Thats their statement. FCC
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there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better
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wrote: there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better term to fit the $ and bandwidth available Really, I'd like to see a reference please. Show us any credible reference that has HDTV defined as anything other than 10080i or 720P. It's becoming more and more obvious that you really don't know what you're talking about here. BTW, we're still waiting for a reference that shows one of the "many" markets where digital TV is available, but the bandwith is being used to deliver more std channels, resulting in a lack of HD programming. Of course that reference isn't forthcoming either, because everywhere digital broadcasting is available, similar HD content, eg prime time shows, sports, etc is also available. I will get some citys that lack high def, and beyond that there are really few high def sets out there, percentage wise to analog ones Yes, percentage wise there sure are more analog sets than HD ones. But guess what? The percentage of sets with a tuner capable of receiving digital, whether HD or SD, is even less. So, there goes your big argument that many broadcasters are using digital to send more SD, rather than HD. What do you think the folks that just bought a $2000 digital TV want to watch on it? HD or more SD crap? Apparently you havent hear of HD lite or pay services using the extra digital channels Broadcasters are ONLY interested in making money |