wrote:
wrote:
there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better
term to fit the $ and bandwidth available


Really, I'd like to see a reference please. Show us any credible
reference that has HDTV defined as anything other than 10080i or 720P.
It's becoming more and more obvious that you really don't know what
you're talking about here. BTW, we're still waiting for a reference
that shows one of the "many" markets where digital TV is available, but

the bandwith is being used to deliver more std channels, resulting in a

lack of HD programming. Of course that reference isn't forthcoming
either, because everywhere digital broadcasting is available, similar
HD content, eg prime time shows, sports, etc is also available.


I will get some citys that lack high def, and beyond that there are
really few high def sets out there, percentage wise to analog ones



Yes, percentage wise there sure are more analog sets than HD ones. But

guess what? The percentage of sets with a tuner capable of receiving
digital, whether HD or SD, is even less. So, there goes your big
argument that many broadcasters are using digital to send more SD,
rather than HD. What do you think the folks that just bought a $2000
digital TV want to watch on it? HD or more SD crap?

Apparently you havent hear of HD lite or pay services using the extra
digital channels Broadcasters are ONLY interested in making money


Obviously you are unable to provide even a single reference to back up
your claims that:

1 - HD in the US can be defined as resolutions other than 1080i or 720P

2 - There are many markets where there is a lack of HD programming
because the digital transmission is being used for more SD programming.

Obviously you are unable to provide even a single reference to back up
your claims that:

1 - HD in the US can be defined as resolutions other than 1080i or 720P



2 - There are many markets where there is a lack of HD programming
because the digital transmission is being used for more SD programming.



I asked these questions here. There are references all over this site
to HD lite. Others there have talked about the pay services rather than
full HD feeds.


local broadcasters are hurting, before cable you had 4 or 5 channels to
choose from, they owned your eyeballs

now you have hundreds, and net local ratings are way down. Add DVR
technology like TIVO, even fewer watching commercials that pay the
bills for local channels and the big 4 networks.

Stations are looking for NEW revenue streams. They might supply hoigh
def feeds for primetime while using all other times for pay programming
of some sort.

satelliteguys is a wonderful site you can learn a lot there. start by
searching HD lite

http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthre...7584post487584

http://www.stophdlite.com/

site dedicated to stop HD lite

I know what I am talking about

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Obviously you are unable to provide even a single reference to back up
your claims that:

1 - HD in the US can be defined as resolutions other than 1080i or 720P



2 - There are many markets where there is a lack of HD programming
because the digital transmission is being used for more SD programming.



I asked these questions here. There are references all over this site
to HD lite. Others there have talked about the pay services rather than
full HD feeds.


local broadcasters are hurting, before cable you had 4 or 5 channels to
choose from, they owned your eyeballs

now you have hundreds, and net local ratings are way down. Add DVR
technology like TIVO, even fewer watching commercials that pay the
bills for local channels and the big 4 networks.

Stations are looking for NEW revenue streams. They might supply hoigh
def feeds for primetime while using all other times for pay programming
of some sort.


Stations MIGHT do this, they MIGHT do that. I MIGHT be the king of
Siam, but I'm not! You claimed there WAS a lack of HD programming in
many areas because broadcasters WERE using digital to transmit SD
content instead. Yet, you are unable to provide a single reference or
link showing that this is actually occurring anywhere. The fact is,
wherever digital is available, there is lots of HD programming, like
most of prime time, sports, etc available in HD and it's pretty
consistent.



satelliteguys is a wonderful site you can learn a lot there. start by
searching HD lite


I's not up to me to do web searchs to prove your silly assertions.
Just to show that I'm willing to go the extra mile, I did look at the
HD lite thread at satelliteguys. And what is the discussion about?
DISH satellite! Since when did DISH become a local broadcaster? Do
you even understand the difference? LOL

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wrote:
Most local broadcast's are sending digital pictures because of the lack
of HD content. Very few channels have the HD content, but it will pick
up.

Paul


Lack of HD content? The major networks have most of their prime time
in HD. Fox in NYC even has it's live helicopter camera shots in HD now.

Here in Corpus Christi, TX, our NBC affiliate is the only station that
broadcasts in true HD. Our CBS affiliate is standard definition
digital (that may change sometime this year). Same with PBS and
Univision. Our ABC affiliate does not broadcast in digital at all
(their digital transmitter is under construction). Neither does Fox,
Telemundo, or UPN.

During certain tropospheric conditions, we can receive digital stations
from San Antonio (about 180 miles from us). There, they have about 4
PBS stations, NBC Weather Plus, local weather radar, and traffic cams
of various parts of the city. Most of their broadcasts *are* HD.

Just an example of what's going on outside NYC.

wrote:
there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better
term to fit the $ and bandwidth available

I will get some citys that lack high def, and beyond that there are
really few high def sets out there, percentage wise to analog ones


Even the $119 TV that we bought at Walmart 6 months ago is capable of
displaying HDTV. Granted 480p ONLY, but it has component video inputs
ready for a HDTV tuner.

Even the $119 TV that we bought at Walmart 6 months ago is capable of
displaying HDTV. Granted 480p ONLY, but it has component video inputs
ready for a HDTV tuner.

480 is NOT HIGH DEF!

What you have is a digital tv, with whatever inputs. no one makes a
high def today for such a low price

Robert Gammon wrote:
wrote:

there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better
term to fit the $ and bandwidth available

I will get some citys that lack high def, and beyond that there are
really few high def sets out there, percentage wise to analog ones



Even the $119 TV that we bought at Walmart 6 months ago is capable of
displaying HDTV. Granted 480p ONLY, but it has component video inputs
ready for a HDTV tuner.

Hi,
480P is not a HD, it's so called ED. Better than SD(480i) any way.
HD business is still evolving.

119$ doesnt get you HD, or 480P , component inputs dont get you
480Progressive, only Interlaced or DVD quality. Composite, 3 line, get
you Progressive scan or 480P. HD is 720p or 1080i. Now 1080P is comming
out even better than 1080i.

wrote:
Even the $119 TV that we bought at Walmart 6 months ago is capable of
displaying HDTV. Granted 480p ONLY, but it has component video inputs
ready for a HDTV tuner.

480 is NOT HIGH DEF!

What you have is a digital tv, with whatever inputs. no one makes a
high def today for such a low price


OK, not High Def, but FULLY Digital.

Lets put it this way. This TV will not go black when the FCC turns off
analog TV, and it will have a HIGHER quality picture than a set that
does not have component video inputs, like the one that my Mom has.
Both of us will need a converter box. My picture will be better than hers.

Sorry im wrong you are right, component is 480p-RGB, composite or one
yellow in is 480i

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 04:26:15 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Gammon wrote:
wrote:

there are a wide variety of HD bandwidths, trimmed for lack of a better
term to fit the $ and bandwidth available

I will get some citys that lack high def, and beyond that there are
really few high def sets out there, percentage wise to analog ones



Even the $119 TV that we bought at Walmart 6 months ago is capable of
displaying HDTV. Granted 480p ONLY, but it has component video inputs
ready for a HDTV tuner.

Hi,
480P is not a HD, it's so called ED. Better than SD(480i) any way.
HD business is still evolving.

It's not HD, but you do get a very stable picture with much better
color quality than with NTSC.
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