I posted earlier in the week with a lot of stupid questions concerning
the installation of a range hood in a small deli. Here is a link to
that post:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...b70883 5e6137

I promised RicodJour that I would post pics so here they are. I guess
you could call these the "before" pics since the project hasn't
actually started yet. I don't think these pics will be very
interesting to anyone but since I promised, here they are.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lwhale...=/45bb&.src=ph

pic12 - Here is a pic of the front of the store just so you know what a
cute little place it is. The side walls are stucco as you can see. I
said before that they were brick. Greg seem to think that we can go
though the wall to vent the hood, but I am doubtful.
pic13 - a pic of the cool mural on the side of the building. Bemidji
is on a lake and this mural depicts that.
pic14 - gives proper credit for the mural.
pic15 - This view from the rear of the building shows how litte space
there really is between the co-op and the neighboring building. I
don't see any way it will be possible to install a vent on this wall.
I haven't been up on the roof but since the co-op is a smaller building
I doubt if it matters. This seems to indicate that the vent will have
to go up on the roof which appears to be flat. This will be bigger
challenge than going though a wall.
pic16 - this is a shot of the teenie little stove they use a few hours
each day. My source says that the dimension of the hood needs to be at
least 3 inches larger than the size of the cooking surface. this seems
to indicate that a only a rather small hood will be neccessary, barring
any upgrade.
pic17 - from inside the kitchen facing the wall where they supposedly
want the stove to be relocated. shows both the old location and the
new location.
pic18 - show the upper wall and the ceiling. You can see that there is
some crappy paneling covering the wall and ceiling.
pic19 - view that the customer sees when shopping at the deli.

Question: What sort of problems will I have if I try to put this vent
hole through the ceiling?
Until I do go up on the roof I won't know for sure but I'm guessing
that this roof has coarse gravel over a rubber membrane.

Lawrence

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I posted earlier in the week with a lot of stupid questions concerning
the installation of a range hood in a small deli. Here is a link to
that post:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.h...b70883 5e6137

I promised RicodJour that I would post pics so here they are. I guess
you could call these the "before" pics since the project hasn't
actually started yet. I don't think these pics will be very
interesting to anyone but since I promised, here they are.
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lwhale...=/45bb&.src=ph

pic12 - Here is a pic of the front of the store just so you know what a
cute little place it is. The side walls are stucco as you can see. I
said before that they were brick. Greg seem to think that we can go
though the wall to vent the hood, but I am doubtful.
pic13 - a pic of the cool mural on the side of the building. Bemidji
is on a lake and this mural depicts that.
pic14 - gives proper credit for the mural.
pic15 - This view from the rear of the building shows how litte space
there really is between the co-op and the neighboring building. I
don't see any way it will be possible to install a vent on this wall.
I haven't been up on the roof but since the co-op is a smaller building
I doubt if it matters. This seems to indicate that the vent will have
to go up on the roof which appears to be flat. This will be bigger
challenge than going though a wall.
pic16 - this is a shot of the teenie little stove they use a few hours
each day. My source says that the dimension of the hood needs to be at
least 3 inches larger than the size of the cooking surface. this seems
to indicate that a only a rather small hood will be neccessary, barring
any upgrade.
pic17 - from inside the kitchen facing the wall where they supposedly
want the stove to be relocated. shows both the old location and the
new location.
pic18 - show the upper wall and the ceiling. You can see that there is
some crappy paneling covering the wall and ceiling.
pic19 - view that the customer sees when shopping at the deli.

Question: What sort of problems will I have if I try to put this vent
hole through the ceiling?
Until I do go up on the roof I won't know for sure but I'm guessing
that this roof has coarse gravel over a rubber membrane.

Lawrence


Been following this thread but have not posted till now. I have a food
service background but have been away from it for 20 years. We had multiple
locations and the rules were different in all of them. In all cases the
local rules apply.

I would suggest you avoid the roof if at all possible. Not saying you
aren't, but even professionally installed units tend to have problems. They
always leak. And in a building that age no telling what you might encounter.

Based on the images it doesn't look like "big city standards" are being
enforced since I see residential equipment in a commercial location. I
suspect you will be able to get away with installing a better grade
residential unit. A "big city" install would require a commercial unit and
make up air with built in fire extinguishers installed by a certified
installer.

Go through the wall with whatever duct is required for the hood you install.
The motor as a remote mount will greatly reduce the noise if that is an
option. I doubt make-up air will be required.

If I were you I would go with your original plan to ask the inspector what
you need to do and never offer any suggestions. The absolute minimum will be
a safe install unless they start frying a bunch of stuff on that stove top.

Colbyt

On 2 Feb 2006 17:04:45 -0800, "
wrote:

Bemidji
is on a lake and this mural depicts that.

I"ve actually heard of Bemidji. I thought it was where midgets lived.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

Thanks to Colbyt for the reply.

He said: I would suggest you avoid the roof if at all possible. Not saying you
aren't, but even professionally installed units tend to have problems.
They
always leak. And in a building that age no telling what you might
encounter.

You are right to say the roof is worth avoiding and this may be why
Greg says he wants to go through the wall. If it becomes absolutely
necessary to go through the roof then I may not feel confident taking
the job cause when it leaks I will look like a jerk. The problem as I
currently see it is that there does not seem to be enough room outside
to go through the wall . The neighboring building is almost flush to
the co-op. There may be about 12 inches between them. I will get
permission to go up on the roof and check it out in more detail. I
will also post pics from the roof when they are available. Don't you
think it would be necessary to access the wall from the outside in
order to fit the end cap to the flue?

He also said: Based on the images it doesn't look like "big city
standards" are being
enforced since I see residential equipment in a commercial location. I

suspect you will be able to get away with installing a better grade
residential unit. A "big city" install would require a commercial unit
and
make up air with built in fire extinguishers installed by a certified
installer.

LOL, that is a good way to put it. I tried and tried to explain that
to everyone so maybe these pics have turned out to be useful after all.
I agree that a "commercial style" residential unit will suffice and I
plan to suggest it to the boss man. I seriously doubt if they will
require us to intall a true commercial unit.

He also said: The motor as a remote mount will greatly reduce the noise if that is an
option.

Now that is an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. I was
visualizing the fan and motor as intregal to the hood. Can you
describe in more detail your ideas conerning a remote mount. That is:
would the fan and motor be intregal ? Or would the fan operate the fan
via a belt? Or is it something else you are describing?

He also said: If I were you I would go with your original plan to ask the inspector what
you need to do and never offer any suggestions. The absolute minimum
will be
a safe install unless they start frying a bunch of stuff on that stove
top.

From what I understand, it is not the building inspector who is
requiring the hood but the health department which is quite different.
For sure this is the most common suggestion i have received and I will
ask Greg if he plans to do that. I am guessing that we will not even
bother with permits or inspectors but I plan to check. My guess is that
he just wants to see a hood that works since it is a small town
friendly situation.

Lawrence

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The problem as I
currently see it is that there does not seem to be enough room outside
to go through the wall .

I goofed on that one. I thought you would be defacing the mural. Did not
realize that the wall in question was the "so close" one. Might still be
possible if you did a vertical stack inside to just below the roof line,
then went through the wall. You might be able to reach it from the roof to
attach the cover.


visualizing the fan and motor as intregal to the hood. Can you
describe in more detail your ideas conerning a remote mount. That is:
would the fan and motor be intregal ? Or would the fan operate the fan
via a belt? Or is it something else you are describing?

A true commercial unit and the higher grade residential units function like
the return air portion of an HVAC unit. There is a hood with filters that
connects to duct with a fan at the exhaust end. The air is pulled through
the system rather than blown through. Most are direct drive. Some use a
short belt to get the motor out of the air flow. Varies by application.

From what I understand, it is not the building inspector who is
requiring the hood but the health department which is quite different.

That is most unusual. Asking is the only way to go. Maybe he just wants a
"grease catcher". Did he specify that it has to be externally vented? Could
you just stick up a SS home recirculator unit? The reality is that if they
haven't needed one until now they really don't need one. Maybe you can get
away with a "dog and pony show".

Colbyt

Colbyt posted this:

The problem as I
currently see it is that there does not seem to be enough room outside
to go through the wall .

I goofed on that one. I thought you would be defacing the mural. Did
not
realize that the wall in question was the "so close" one. Might still
be
possible if you did a vertical stack inside to just below the roof
line,
then went through the wall. You might be able to reach it from the
roof to
attach the cover.

visualizing the fan and motor as intregal to the hood. Can you
describe in more detail your ideas conerning a remote mount. That is:
would the fan and motor be intregal ? Or would the fan operate the fan
via a belt? Or is it something else you are describing?

A true commercial unit and the higher grade residential units function
like
the return air portion of an HVAC unit. There is a hood with filters
that
connects to duct with a fan at the exhaust end. The air is pulled
through
the system rather than blown through. Most are direct drive. Some use a

short belt to get the motor out of the air flow. Varies by
application.

From what I understand, it is not the building inspector who is
requiring the hood but the health department which is quite different.

That is most unusual. Asking is the only way to go. Maybe he just
wants a
"grease catcher". Did he specify that it has to be externally vented?
Could
you just stick up a SS home recirculator unit? The reality is that if
they
haven't needed one until now they really don't need one. Maybe you can
get
away with a "dog and pony show".

Reply: Good comments and questions, thanks again. I will post again
when I have some more specific information.
Lawrence

wrote:

Lawrence

Your posts are a little difficult to read as your style of quoting is a
bit unusual. Anything you can do about that?

As far as the hood. I don't see how you could run between the two
building without a hell of a lot of trouble. Running inside almost to
the roof and then popping out the side wall was suggested - might work,
but it's a crap shoot unless you know how all of the framing runs and
are prepared to open ceilings more than a straight vertical shot would
probably require.

Creating a leakproof roof opening for the exhaust vent is not
particularly difficult if approached correctly. You need to nail down
exactly what type of roofing is up there, but the general idea is to
build a curb and flash that, then have the vent poke out of the top of
the curb. You also need to make sure you're not creating a problem
with the existing roof drainage - blocking a channel, so to speak.

I'm still waiting for those pictures of the damn fine women. It's
strictly professional interest - I want to make sure they're built
right.

R

Thanks to RicodJour for the post. He said this:
Your posts are a little difficult to read as your style of quoting is a

bit unusual. Anything you can do about that?

I don't see how you could run between the two
building without a hell of a lot of trouble. Running inside almost to
the roof and then popping out the side wall was suggested - might work,

but it's a crap shoot unless you know how all of the framing runs and
are prepared to open ceilings more than a straight vertical shot would
probably require.

Creating a leakproof roof opening for the exhaust vent is not
particularly difficult if approached correctly. You need to nail down
exactly what type of roofing is up there, but the general idea is to
build a curb and flash that, then have the vent poke out of the top of
the curb. You also need to make sure you're not creating a problem
with the existing roof drainage - blocking a channel, so to speak.

I'm still waiting for those pictures of the damn fine women. It's
strictly professional interest - I want to make sure they're built
right.
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My reply: Sure am sorry if my post is hard to read. I am trying to
clear and for sure I would be in trouble if I don't provide the quote
of the person I am responding to. I have been responding to each point
individually with the quote above the response but since you are having
trouble I will try somthing else. How about I give all of the
relevant quotes at the top of the post and then just give my entire
reply at the bottom? I guess that's the way most people do it.

I think you are right to say that popping out the side wall is a crap
shoot. I will know the framing runs since I expect that I will have
to open up the wall enough to add blocking to the wall studs for the
purpose of mounting the hood. I think the problem is that there may
not be enough room between the two building to finish the run. From
what I can tell from the ground, it is questionable. I am planning to
go up on the roof for a closer look and will make another post when I
do.

As far as the women of the co-op are concerning, I don't know them well
enough to ask for a pic and would be unlikely to post their pics if I
had them. I am afraid I would come off as a little creepy if I do. My
policy is not to impose on people unneccesarily, man or women. I am
determined to treat the women folk with respect in an environment where
they are stalked and abused on a daily basis. The fairer sex don't
even feel like they can even go out after dark by themselves and that
stinks. These women are way hot, this I can tell you. Your comments
are humourous though. There are plenty of sites that have pics of
women as I am sure you are aware. Let me know if you need a
reccomendation.

I hope this style of posting has been more clear. Please let me know
and thanks again.

Lawrence