A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.

wrote:
A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I
missing something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.

The pipe is still at a lower temperature than the dew point. To resolve
the problem you need to raise the lower the dew point and/or raise the
temperature of the pipe.

Additional air circulation may resolve the problem by raising the
temperature of the pipe.

Adding a closed cell insulation around the pipe, keeping it sealed on
the outside could also help. You may only need a few feet, maybe more.

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Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

Because you are using gas,
gas that you are using come from outside
which is cold flowing through the line
bringing cold temperature with it.
Perhaps if you rap the line outside
with electrical heater one that is use on gutters
it may help you, rap up and insulate

Good luck from Dido

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A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.

On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:39:58 GMT, "Dido" wrote:

Because you are using gas,
gas that you are using come from outside
which is cold flowing through the line
bringing cold temperature with it.
Perhaps if you rap the line outside
with electrical heater one that is use on gutters
it may help you, rap up and insulate

Maybe if you put a small candle under all the fittings.


Good luck from Dido

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A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.



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On Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:39:58 GMT, "Dido" wrote:

Because you are using gas,
gas that you are using come from outside
which is cold flowing through the line
bringing cold temperature with it.
Perhaps if you rap the line outside
with electrical heater one that is use on gutters
it may help you, rap up and insulate

Maybe if you put a small candle under all the fittings.


Good luck from Dido

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A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.

Do not listen to anything that this guy responds with. He is just messing
with you and has not taken his ridelen and Prozac today. Him and others in
this group believe it belongs to their profession only and are a few slices
short of a loaf!

Are you sure you sealed the hole from water entering.

wrote in message
oups.com...
A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?

57 degrees seems quite cold for this early in the season unless you are
living in Canada. Why is the basement so cold?

2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.


Yesm the pipe should be black iron. Gas coming in should be near ground
temperature and thsi depends on how deep the pipe is and how cold your
weather has been and for how long. Closed-cell foam should do a good job
and three is fiberglass wrap available. I would go closed-cell to keep the
moisture out. Maked sure you either glue or tape the joints.

"dewpoint"
Just hearing this word again makes me want to roll on the floor laughing.
It brings back a story of when I once challenged a self proffessed "great
Tech" during a break of a new product training meeting to explain dewpoint
to me.

It all started when he said he always charges to a sweat back. I said that
depends on the RH and more particularly dewpoint. I asked if he knew what
dewpoint was and thought about it for a few secs and said.............


wait for it............



"It"s about 58psi for R22......"


Enough said. I just went back to trying to eat my club sandwich trying not
to choke on it laughing.
Sad part of it is he probable earns more dough than me


Cheers
Oztech

As has been posted already, the surface of the pipe is colder than the
dew point of the air in the basement. You can:

1) lower the dew point of the basement by either running a dehumidifier
in the basement or stopping moisture from getting into the air from
whatever souce of moisture there is in the basement.

2) Raise the surface temperature of the pipe.

3) Heat the basement, which will raise the temperature of the pipe
indirectly.

4) Insulate the pipe.

Hope this helps.

Stretch

"Stretch" wrote in message
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As has been posted already, the surface of the pipe is colder than the
dew point of the air in the basement. You can:

1) lower the dew point of the basement by either running a dehumidifier
in the basement or stopping moisture from getting into the air from
whatever souce of moisture there is in the basement.

2) Raise the surface temperature of the pipe.

3) Heat the basement, which will raise the temperature of the pipe
indirectly.

4) Insulate the pipe.

Hope this helps.

Stretch



Or you can say "**** it" and not worry about little things like this...

Thanks for your help.

I have a couple of more questions:

1) I used Silicone to seal the pipe entrance. Is it okay? It won't
react with iron, right?

2) Say I solve the problem by using one of your suggestion, should I do
something to the rust (there is some but not a lot) on the pipe. Will
the rust expand without condensed water?

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A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

You need a new furnace ASAP

Can you explain a little bit why?

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Can you explain a little bit why?

Ignore him. He's yanking your chain -- probably thinks he's funny.

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Can you explain a little bit why?

Sure, I'd be glad to.

1) The condensation is due to high humidity in the basement.

2) High humidity can lead to heat exchanger deterioration

3) When the heat exchanger deterioration becomes significant
it can lead to many dangerous situations...Here's a few:

A) Flame roll-out potentially leading to a fire
b) Carbon monoxide build up to toxic levels

Note: Both of these can be life-threatening


I have seen some people advise you to ignore me.

This is your choice.

Just ask these so-called heating contractors if they will put
in writing that they accept all responsibility for any hazardous
conditions that may arise from you *not* changing your furnace
ASAP

Public safety isn't a ****ing game. Your life, and those of the ones
you love should come first.

Go ahead...Ask him to put it in writing.

See what the pussy says.

posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
Yes!
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.


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posted for all of us...
I don't top post - see either inline or at bottom.

A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.


On second thought since you are getting water from a gas pipe do your utilities
know this? Do you get gas from water? Go to the penultimate step and get a
GasBooster® for the water pipe and WaterBooster® for the gas pipe. Pretty soon
your meters will be spinning backwards and the utilities WILL investigate and
you will be made to get a Ready KillowattBooster®. Are these pipes level?They
should be tilted up slightly. If they aren't get a BFH and make adjustments.
Ignore the hissing; that's the peanut gallery! Get back to us we are waiting.
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I said I don't know and I don't care...

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The humidity levels in the basement air are such that the gas pipe
(with cold gas coming in after running through the cold ground outside)
is below the dew point temperature of the air in the basement. Hence
the moisture will condense on the gas line. Just because the gas pipe
is cold, does not mean the furnace heat exchanger is cold too! If the
ground outside is cold, most likely the air outside has been cold a
long time. That means the furnace is running a fair amount. Therefore
the heat exchanger is HOT or warm all the time. It will not cool below
the dew point all winter. Think about it.

Stretch

"Stretch" wrote in message
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The humidity levels in the basement air are such that the gas pipe
(with cold gas coming in after running through the cold ground outside)
is below the dew point temperature of the air in the basement. Hence
the moisture will condense on the gas line. Just because the gas pipe
is cold, does not mean the furnace heat exchanger is cold too! If the
ground outside is cold, most likely the air outside has been cold a
long time. That means the furnace is running a fair amount. Therefore
the heat exchanger is HOT or warm all the time. It will not cool below
the dew point all winter. Think about it.

Stretch

It might, if there is a backdraft. Think about it.

It might, if there is a backdraft. Think about it.


Clutching at straws are we? Will it get cold long enough to rot out
the heat exchanger? And how will the new furnace fix that. It will do
the same thing. Also we don't know if this is a natural draft furnace
or power vent furnace. The Supposing is getting very thick here.

Most likely the furnace is firing a lot and the heat exchanger is hot
most of the time which will prevent rusting.

Honestly, is Nick here posing as Oscar??

Stretch

Check at the hardware store for foam wrap. Goes around the pipe, and
insulates it. Home Depot has it, both in rigid style, and also a bit softer
style.

Also worth doing something about the cellar humidity. Dehumdifier, maybe? Or
some ventilation to the outdoors.

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Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
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..


wrote in message
oups.com...
A few days ago, I noticed that there is some water dripping from the
gas pipe at the place the pipe entering our basement.

Then I found out that the pipe entrance hole is not sealed (we bought
this house just a year a ago). So I guess the water was because the
pipe is cold enough to cause the more humid air in the basement to
condense.

I tried sealing up the hole but it doesn't help.

My question:
1) Why sealing it up doesn't help. Basement is around 57F. Am I missing
something?
2) How do I solve the problem? Is there some kind of material I put on
to at least not let the pipe corrode. I think the pipe is black iron.

So, guess he didn't know. Thanks for the smile.

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Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


"Oztech" wrote in message
...
"dewpoint"
Just hearing this word again makes me want to roll on the floor laughing.
It brings back a story of when I once challenged a self proffessed "great
Tech" during a break of a new product training meeting to explain dewpoint
to me.

It all started when he said he always charges to a sweat back. I said that
depends on the RH and more particularly dewpoint. I asked if he knew what
dewpoint was and thought about it for a few secs and said.............


wait for it............



"It"s about 58psi for R22......"


Enough said. I just went back to trying to eat my club sandwich trying not
to choke on it laughing.
Sad part of it is he probable earns more dough than me


Cheers
Oztech

No it will not react
Good luck from Dido

wrote in message
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Thanks for your help.

I have a couple of more questions:

1) I used Silicone to seal the pipe entrance. Is it okay? It won't
react with iron, right?

2) Say I solve the problem by using one of your suggestion, should I do
something to the rust (there is some but not a lot) on the pipe. Will
the rust expand without condensed water?

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:58:08 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote:

On second thought since you are getting water from a gas pipe do your utili=
ties know this? Do you get gas from water?

Hey! Suzanne Vega gets water from a rusty pipe...

So what's next, punk? ;-



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