Don wrote:

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Dr. Hardcrab wrote:



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gruhn wrote:



I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of
these groups.

Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever.


I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever.


I know you are butt what am I????

;-]

Nah. Robin's butt. Just ask Ms Hartl and Mr Lee.


OK, I know robin hartl's butt quite well but who is mr lee?



ummm. Lee Valley ring a bell?


Ahhhh, ain't I the dumbass?
(now I'm trying to figure the connection between Robin and Mr Lee)
Hmmmm.....


same first name.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?


A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Notan

Michael Daly wrote:
On 9-Sep-2005, "Don" wrote:


2x8 jambs & head and 4"x1/4" tapcons 6" o/c staggered.
steel clad or solid core outswing door.
triple nickel 40 threshhold.
that'll stop em in their tracks.


Local Hell's Angel hangout was raided - the cops used a backhoe
to open the door. The HA rebuilt with a concrete wall in front
to the door so they couldn't use a backhoe again.

Mike

Cameras, man, cameras.

Cops, whether local guys on the beat, DEA agents, Secret Service, swat
teams, or anything, don't fear guns. They make sure they're always more
heavily armed than and outnumber the people they've been told to take out.

And they don't worry too much about heavily fortified buildings. As
your post states, if they find a door or wall that their battering rams
can't take down, they'll use a backhoe; if that doesn't work, a bulldozer.

What law enforcement fears; what can really put a stop to what they're
doing, is cameras. A single video of a cop doing something that doesn't
look right, sent to the media, will be more damaging to a cop than a
million guns, and a bigger impedement to their goals than a house built
like Fort Knox.


I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the
cops completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the
situation, and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE
CAMERA! TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

"Adam Weiss" wrote
I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the cops
completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the situation,
and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE CAMERA!
TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"

As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a threatening
tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face.
Wouldn't his wife and kids like that?

Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way?

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Dr. Hardcrab wrote:



"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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gruhn wrote:



I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of
these groups.

Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever.


I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever.


I know you are butt what am I????

;-]

Nah. Robin's butt. Just ask Ms Hartl and Mr Lee.


OK, I know robin hartl's butt quite well but who is mr lee?



ummm. Lee Valley ring a bell?


Ahhhh, ain't I the dumbass?
(now I'm trying to figure the connection between Robin and Mr Lee)
Hmmmm.....
same first name.

jeezis.
Think I'll just quietly back out of this one due to being unqualified. ;-)
For now.

Michael Daly wrote:
On 9-Sep-2005, (Bob Vaughan) wrote:


If not, you could use some form of camp toilet, with collection bags, and
store them in a larger drum when full.


Composting toilet. Pricier, but works just fine. Put one on the second
floor to avoid the flood.

Mike

I like the way you think.

Put a composting toilet on the second floor.

And add a rooftop vegetable garden.

And a cistern to catch rain water.


Life could be sustained indefinitely.


Would one of those transparent plastic tent/ water purifiers that they
say to use if you're adrift at sea work on nasty flood waters? Or is it
just for getting the salt out of sea water? Anyoone know?

Don wrote:
"Adam Weiss" wrote

I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the cops
completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the situation,
and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE CAMERA!
TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"


As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a threatening
tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face.

I'd warn against shooting a cop surrounded by other cops (with guns) in
the face.

I'd say the camera guy should have kept rolling, braced himself, and
seen if he could get the coming assault by an officer caught on film.

Wouldn't his wife and kids like that?

Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way?


Easy.

He had something to fear.

Remember Rodney King? It wasn't a gun that brought the LAPD to its
knees. It was a camera. Cameras are better than any other thing at
capturing the truth. And when the truth is leaked about police
activity, it's often rough for the cops involved.

Witness Amadou Diallo.

41 shots.

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

Notan

"jo4hn" wrote in message
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Don wrote:
"jo4hn" wrote in message
...

Dr. Hardcrab wrote:


"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...


gruhn wrote:


I nominate this thread as the most retarded ever in the history of
these groups.

Second nomination of "Prize winner?" as most retarded thread ever.


I nominate you both as the most retarded posters to a thread ever.


I know you are butt what am I????

;-]

Nah. Robin's butt. Just ask Ms Hartl and Mr Lee.


OK, I know robin hartl's butt quite well but who is mr lee?


ummm. Lee Valley ring a bell?

Oh My GAWD!!

And I grew up in Valley Lee!!!!

" wrote in message
m...
Nehmo wrote:
How should this house be built and what should it have?

(snip)
The big apartment buildings.

Just build multistory buildings, and put all essential building
utilities on the second floor or higher. Let the bottom floor have only
easily repaired interiors and utilities. Connect the second floors
of the buildings using a system of walkways just like in Minneapolis.

You could even build the walkways open air, using the wrought iron
balcony style popular for Mardi Gras in New Orleans. This would make
the city a fun place to visit.

Essentially this is the "house on stilts" idea but on a big enough scale
you could house a population of 500,000 in a densely populated area.

For car storage some buildings would use the lower 3 or 4 stories for
car parks. Again, visit Minneapolis to see this sort of structure.
You'd need fewer cars since this would be a densely populated area with
lots of people able to walk to work.

This is the future.

Of course, this doesn't fit in with the real estate agent / developer
scenaria where every American is isolated on his own lot with 2 acres of
grass to mow every weekend. That's going to prove economically
non-viable when fuel prices rise, anyway.

Some of us like a little isolation. Not all of us can stand to live in a
beehive, or care to live in densely populated areas. Not slamming people
that like that lifestyle, but the times I've had to live in structures like
that (ie, college dorms, big-city apartment blocks), I found it highly
irritating. I don't wanna hear when the neighbors flush, fight, or f**k, and
I don't wanna irritate the neighbors when I turn up the TV loud. I also like
sitting quietly on the back porch at dawn, trying to be still enough that
the birds will come to the feeder while I am on 'their' side of the glass.
Can't do that in a high-rise, or even in most condos. Suburbia has its
downsides of course- mowing/raking/snow shoveling being 3 of them. If I
didn't have to worry about resale, I'd live in a shack on the edge of the
woods. But you have to be well off to live like Thoreau these days.

aem sends...

"Adam Weiss" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:
"Adam Weiss" wrote

I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the
cops completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the
situation, and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE
CAMERA! TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"


As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a
threatening tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face.

I'd warn against shooting a cop surrounded by other cops (with guns) in
the face.

I'd say the camera guy should have kept rolling, braced himself, and seen
if he could get the coming assault by an officer caught on film.

Wouldn't his wife and kids like that?

Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way?

Easy.

He had something to fear.

Remember Rodney King? It wasn't a gun that brought the LAPD to its knees.
It was a camera. Cameras are better than any other thing at capturing the
truth. And when the truth is leaked about police activity, it's often
rough for the cops involved.

Witness Amadou Diallo.

41 shots.

Precisely.
When cops start fearing for their lives, then they may adjust their
behavior.
I;m not against the *concept* of cops, but I believe they have been largely
perverted these days.
Tazing 13 yo gurls and and handicapped old ladies, etc. You know what I
mean.
Most are OK but the bad ones drag all of them down.
If they policed themselves a lot of this stuff would be history.
But they don't, so they all suffer.

"Adam Weiss" wrote
Put a composting toilet on the second floor.
And add a rooftop vegetable garden.

I hope you're not going to connect the two!

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

"ameijers" wrote
But you have to be well off to live like Thoreau these days.

It helps, thats for sure.
But its not a requirement, as I am getting ready to prove, to myself.
Its a *lifestyle* adjustment, and for me it is long overdue.

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.

But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and fill in any/all of your usual descriptors.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have *the*
answer, while no one else comes close.

Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

Notan

Notan wrote:

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made 10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.

But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and fill in any/all of your usual descriptors.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have *the*
answer, while no one else comes close.

Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

Spell-checker turned back on... That was "unintelligent."

Notan

"Notan" wrote
but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

Well, you're wrong Larry and its only been lately that you've been acting
like a dumbass.
Perhaps I have been slack in my estimatation of you.

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Notan wrote:

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made
10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.

But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and fill in any/all of your usual
descriptors.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have *the*
answer, while no one else comes close.

Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

Spell-checker turned back on... That was "unintelligent."

You mean *grammer checker*.

Don wrote:
"Adam Weiss" wrote in message
...

Don wrote:

"Adam Weiss" wrote


I saw video today of a scuffle between cops and evacuees. One of the
cops completely ignored his cohorts efforts to get a handle on the
situation, and instead approached the camera-man - yelling "TURN OFF THE
CAMERA! TURN OFF THE CAMERA NOW!"


As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a
threatening tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face.

I'd warn against shooting a cop surrounded by other cops (with guns) in
the face.

I'd say the camera guy should have kept rolling, braced himself, and seen
if he could get the coming assault by an officer caught on film.


Wouldn't his wife and kids like that?

Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way?

Easy.

He had something to fear.

Remember Rodney King? It wasn't a gun that brought the LAPD to its knees.
It was a camera. Cameras are better than any other thing at capturing the
truth. And when the truth is leaked about police activity, it's often
rough for the cops involved.

Witness Amadou Diallo.

41 shots.


Precisely.
When cops start fearing for their lives, then they may adjust their
behavior.
I;m not against the *concept* of cops, but I believe they have been largely
perverted these days.
Tazing 13 yo gurls and and handicapped old ladies, etc. You know what I
mean.

Tasing 6 year olds is what they do now.

Didn't you see the news? It was right there in FLA if I remember. Miami.

Most are OK but the bad ones drag all of them down.

Totally true.

I would add that the blue wall of silence doesn't help matters.
Otherwise good cops seem to unwaveringly stand by their bad colleagues
even when they know it's wrong.

But that's not all. District Attorneys who have learned to trust and
work with cops to jail criminals wind up being the ones who prosecute
those very same cops when people are brutalized. Talk about a system
open to corruption.


If they policed themselves a lot of this stuff would be history.
But they don't, so they all suffer.



Thanks to Frank Serpico there is an internal affairs unit with most
large forces now, and they are theoretically supposed to police the
police. But if internal affairs were really enough, Amadou Diallo and
Rodney King wouldn't have fallen victim.

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Notan wrote:

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally made
10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.

But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and fill in any/all of your usual
descriptors.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have *the*
answer, while no one else comes close.

Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

Spell-checker turned back on... That was "unintelligent."

You mean *grammer checker*.

No, spell-checker.

And, that's exactly what I'm talking about... You always *think* you
know better.

I *misspelled* a word, which a spell-checker would have caught.

A *grammar checker* (By the way, you should've used your *spell checker*
on that one! g) would have told me if my sentence was grammatically
incorrect.

Notan

Don wrote:
"Adam Weiss" wrote

Put a composting toilet on the second floor.
And add a rooftop vegetable garden.


I hope you're not going to connect the two!


Why not? A composting toilet works like a compost pile. Basically it
turns waste into nutrient-rich topsoil.

The topsoil is then used to help grow the plants in the vegetable garden.

If you're looking to build a house that can not only withstand a
hurricane but can also allow you to live relatively comfortably while
the power and water is still out, this sort of adaptive reuse of human
waste makes alot of sense.

In article , Adam Weiss
wrote:

If you're looking to build a house that can not only withstand a
hurricane but can also allow you to live relatively comfortably while
the power and water is still out, this sort of adaptive reuse of human
waste makes alot of sense.

As long as you understand the limitations.

Look into the NASA research on toilets related to manned flight to Mars.

--
Go read this. Now.
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Notan wrote:

Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote in message
...
Don wrote:

"Notan" wrote
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Notan" wrote in message
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about
anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Constant, evenly dispersed pressure.

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

A backhoe is a lightweight device, all things considered.

Not.

Relative to what? There are many mechanical or structurally
made
10 x
or
more heavier than even a big backhoe.

My point is, it's not the material that's used, it's how
the structure is designed.

Duh.
Thats why I said this:
Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Pay attention.

If I'm not mistaken, my post was in response to Edwin's post.

I must've missed the point at which you started speaking for him.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

As I've said before, I can respect the fact that you're opinionated,
and stand firmly for the things you think are important.

But, you have this attitude, where anyone that disagrees with you is
unitelligent, uneducated, and fill in any/all of your usual
descriptors.
You like to portray yourself as holier-than-everyone-else. You have
*the*
answer, while no one else comes close.

Maybe you've always been this way, but it's only lately that I've
begun
to see you as nothing more than a non-religious bible thumper.

While I'm sure that you couldn't care less about my opinions (or
anyone
else's, for that matter), you *don't* have all the answers.

There's lots of stuff you're missing.
I'm hoping you'll catch up.

Spell-checker turned back on... That was "unintelligent."

You mean *grammer checker*.

No, spell-checker.

yawn

And, that's exactly what I'm talking about... You always *think* you
know better.

I *misspelled* a word, which a spell-checker would have caught.

A *grammar checker* (By the way, you should've used your *spell checker*
on that one! g) would have told me if my sentence was grammatically
incorrect.

touche'

"Adam Weiss" wrote
Don wrote:
"Adam Weiss" wrote

Put a composting toilet on the second floor.
And add a rooftop vegetable garden.


I hope you're not going to connect the two!
Why not? A composting toilet works like a compost pile. Basically it
turns waste into nutrient-rich topsoil.

I'm funny that way.
I'll eat veggies grown in cow **** but not human ****.
Its complex.....

"Don" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Lil' Dave" wrote
"Nehmo" wrote
How should this house be built and what should it have?

Don't live there, don't build there. You're an idiot if you do.

Then there's 1/2 a million idiots living rather well here in the target
zone
of Lee County, Florida.
You can look at history and become smarter for it, or you can go on USENET
and blindly swing pointed sticks.



Cows have that too, its called herd instinct. Today's typical mindset,
impression that it qualifiies since the herd is doing it, doesn't involve
much higher thinking. Moo.

"Don" wrote in message

I'm funny that way.
I'll eat veggies grown in cow **** but not human ****.
Its complex.....

Some sewage treatment plants are making a compost as a by-product. Maybe it
goes through a turd sorter first.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message

I'm funny that way.
I'll eat veggies grown in cow **** but not human ****.
Its complex.....

Some sewage treatment plants are making a compost as a by-product. Maybe
it
goes through a turd sorter first.



It's a growth industry. Which other essential industry has an escalating
supply of materials piped in for free? What could be more essential then
boosting food production ?

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

"Don" wrote in message

I'm funny that way.
I'll eat veggies grown in cow **** but not human ****.
Its complex.....

Some sewage treatment plants are making a compost as a by-product. Maybe
it goes through a turd sorter first.

He said turd sorter. LOL

"Lil' Dave" wrote in message
link.net...
"Don" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Lil' Dave" wrote
"Nehmo" wrote
How should this house be built and what should it have?

Don't live there, don't build there. You're an idiot if you do.

Then there's 1/2 a million idiots living rather well here in the target
zone
of Lee County, Florida.
You can look at history and become smarter for it, or you can go on
USENET
and blindly swing pointed sticks.



Cows have that too, its called herd instinct. Today's typical mindset,
impression that it qualifiies since the herd is doing it, doesn't involve
much higher thinking. Moo.

I can't argue with that.
I'll make sure I never own more than 1 cow at a time. ;-)

snip
Would one of those transparent plastic tent/ water purifiers that they say
to use if you're adrift at sea work on nasty flood waters? Or is it just
for getting the salt out of sea water? Anyoone know?

They work by evaporating water, which is volatile, and then condensing it on
the cool surface. Depends on the other contents, like salt, not being
volatile. For the nasty mix along the gulf coast, part of the problem is
petroleum components, which are also volatile. So it might actually produce
a product water with a higher concentration of some of the impurities.
Depends on vapor pressure, condensation temperature, etc.

Steve

Don wrote:
"EagleMtn" wrote

I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe.


Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Think shaped charge. :-)

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote
Don wrote:
"EagleMtn" wrote

I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe.

Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Think shaped charge. :-)

Think collateral damage.
Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a
hole through the wall.

On 10-Sep-2005, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

How long will it take a backhoe to get through it?

In the case of the HA, their primary goal was to slow down,
not necessarily stop the cops. The large concrete blocks
in front of the concrete wall keep a backhoe at a significant
distance too. All in all, the design looks like a typical
US embassy or consulate.

Mike

Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote

Don wrote:

"EagleMtn" wrote


I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe.

Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Think shaped charge. :-)


Think collateral damage.
Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just chainsaw a
hole through the wall.

I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that
effective... :-)

Matt

hole through the wall.

I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that
effective... :-)

Matt


Depends on how much time you have, and where you start using it.

As the cop was armed, and was approaching the cameraman with a threatening
tone, he deserved to be shot right in the face.
Wouldn't his wife and kids like that?

Why would a grown man (the cop) act that way?


The excuse is that the presence of a camera encourages people play TO
the camera, and thus makes them harder to control than otherwise.

The REASON is because cops are control freaks.

Put a composting toilet on the second floor.

And add a rooftop vegetable garden.
And a cistern to catch rain water.
Life could be sustained indefinitely.

Only if you've got a really big freaking roof.
What you really want is to replace the attic and
roof with a greenhouse, so as to control pests
and weather. But the people/sqft ratio is
really low, until you start investing in some
serious intensive gardening equipment.

--Goedjn

"Matt Whiting" wrote
Don wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote
Don wrote:
"EagleMtn" wrote
I dobt that a concrete wall will stop a backhoe.

Built properly, a concrete wall can stop just about anything.
Think: Hoover Dam.

Think shaped charge. :-)

Think collateral damage.
Rather than try to get in the heavily reinforced front door, just
chainsaw a hole through the wall.

I was talking about the dam. I'm not sure a chainsaw would be that
effective... :-)

Just went looking for it and couldn't find it, but, a couple weeks ago my
brother sent me a link for a chainsaw that cuts concrete.
It might not do much regarding Hoover, but I'd still like to have one in my
stable.

The answer will be a storm-proof safe room built on top of this
concrete structure. It will probably be the size of a large bathroom
and made of steel or concrete for protection against flying debris or
tree falls. It should be capable of being buttoned down and float
upright like a boat should it be dislodged. At that level of storm
intensity there is no longer any consideration of living in it to
guard your property. All you want is to survive the perfect storm and
get the hell out, a stay of less than 48 hours.

Disagreement: If you're going to this length, you should use a more
reasonable figure for time-to-rescue of 7 days. 72 hours
is the figure used for people who are trying to do the best
they can with what's available. 72 hours is what you should
keep in the trunk of your car.