Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
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Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||

For one, an address farther inland.

vdubbs wrote:


For one, an address farther inland.


Keeping in mind that the sperm whale population in northwest Nebraska is
negligible.
j4

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||


Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if they
are still around.


--
Chris

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a
soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman.

In article , "Chris"
wrote:

Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if they
are still around

Didn't one of them go to market?

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
In article , "Chris"
wrote:

Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if they
are still around

Didn't one of them go to market?

Yes, but he was looting, so it was ok.

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
In article , "Chris"
wrote:

Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if
they
are still around

Didn't one of them go to market?

Yes, but he was looting, so it was ok.

But which one do you shoot?

One had roast beef and the other had nun........

In article S7nUe.498$Hs6.48@trnddc07,
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
In article , "Chris"
wrote:

Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if
they
are still around

Didn't one of them go to market?

Yes, but he was looting, so it was ok.

But which one do you shoot?

One had roast beef and the other had nun........

I'd drill the little ****er that went "WEE WEE WEE" all the way home...

On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:11:19 -0400
"Chris" wrote:


"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
In article , "Chris"
wrote:

Asking the "Three Little Pigs" comes to mind. That is of course if they
are still around

Didn't one of them go to market?

Yes, but he was looting, so it was ok.




So let's do a FULL recap of this house. I am going to save this for future use and reference.

Let's fill in the blanks and develope this and have it stand the test of back-and-forth until we ALL agree on the resultant.

Let's also be realistic, but don't limit yourself. Let's be practical but without any sacrifice on anything for the sake of safety & security most importantly.

HURRICANE-HOUSE
--------------------

FUTURE BUILDING SITE: N.O.

FOUNDATION SYSTEM: ?

FLOOR SYSTEM: ?

WALL SYSTEM: ?

ROOF SYSTEM: ?

DOORS & WINDOWS: ?

MOISTURE & THERMAL PROTECTION: ?

FORCE PROTECTION: ?

MECHANICAL SYSTEMS: ?

ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS: ?

"Saab Guy" wrote in message
...
So let's do a FULL recap of this house. I am going to save this for
future use and reference.

Let's fill in the blanks and develope this and have it stand the test
of back-and-forth until we ALL agree on the resultant.

Let's also be realistic, but don't limit yourself. Let's be practical
but without any sacrifice on anything for the sake of safety &
security most importantly.

HURRICANE-HOUSE

This is going to take a ****load of concrete.

--
"New Wave" Dave In Houston

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||


Dr. Evil's lair with attached Big Boy escape rocket?

This should be a good discussion.

My suggestions are
1. A moat made up of Weber grill burners. Anyone trys to get accross,
you instantly BBQ there ass.
2. Rifle tower, lots of amunition. (5 bullets for each member of
surrounding population)
3. two of each animal to restart population. (preferably opposite
gender).
4. Tele-porter to escape. If you go with a tunnel, it would be
flooded. If you go jet pack, the guy across in his castle will snipe
you from his rifle tower. (Check e-bay for a cheap teleporter.)
5. Seperate ecosystem/ oxygen supply - As ecoli and other diseases
break out, you don't want to be breathing this stuff.

I like the three little pigs idea.
Make sure you don't talk to the first two.

Heavy stone, "igloo" shape, surrounded by heavy duty wall to take up wind,
flying object, and wave impacts.


"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus
garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the
water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would
suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as
Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood
water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind
had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the
future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government
interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication,
and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation
for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


Tilt up concrete walls with rebar from slab foundation...
foundation anchored with 24" diameter deep piles at each
corner.

Flat metal storm roof under the mostly decorative pitched
roof. The storm roof would be poured concrete at 10'.. actual
ceiling in the house would be at 8' or 9'.

Glass would be tempered 1/2" glass. Steel shutters outside.

Doors would be heavy metal, tight sealing that swing out, not
in.


Generator would be propane powered (because it stores well and
doesnt cloggup the generator carb while sitting idle)...Id
have two smaller gen sets..rather than one large one. one
very small honda silent generator.

Sump in the middle of the slab, slope slab to drain 1/8" per
ft. fit a small little giant sump pump in the sump, powered
by the small generator.

Optionally: Put all this on stilts with fold down stairs.

What not to have. Bay windows facing the storm surge. or
sliding doors if you are at ground level..for views and nice
living have wide decks, enclosed with AC or open.. around the
house those will be sacrificed in a storm. Dont build 20'
below sea level. or lower than you are willing to have
pilings to compensate.


Escape: keep an aluminum boat in the garage and a motorcycle
with 150 mile range on a tank of gas.

Costs: You can make the secure core as small as want. Many
people could have paddled out on 4" thick sheets of styrofoam
available at home depot. Anyone could keep a sheet of that
around.

Phil Scott





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Phil Scott wrote:

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...

Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus
garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the
water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would
suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as
Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood
water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind
had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the
future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government
interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication,
and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation
for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?



Tilt up concrete walls with rebar from slab foundation...
foundation anchored with 24" diameter deep piles at each
corner.

Flat metal storm roof under the mostly decorative pitched
roof. The storm roof would be poured concrete at 10'.. actual
ceiling in the house would be at 8' or 9'.

Glass would be tempered 1/2" glass. Steel shutters outside.

Doors would be heavy metal, tight sealing that swing out, not
in.


Generator would be propane powered (because it stores well and
doesnt cloggup the generator carb while sitting idle)...Id
have two smaller gen sets..rather than one large one. one
very small honda silent generator.

Sump in the middle of the slab, slope slab to drain 1/8" per
ft. fit a small little giant sump pump in the sump, powered
by the small generator.

Optionally: Put all this on stilts with fold down stairs.

What not to have. Bay windows facing the storm surge. or
sliding doors if you are at ground level..for views and nice
living have wide decks, enclosed with AC or open.. around the
house those will be sacrificed in a storm. Dont build 20'
below sea level. or lower than you are willing to have
pilings to compensate.


Escape: keep an aluminum boat in the garage and a motorcycle
with 150 mile range on a tank of gas.

Costs: You can make the secure core as small as want. Many
people could have paddled out on 4" thick sheets of styrofoam
available at home depot. Anyone could keep a sheet of that
around.

Phil Scott





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|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||





swap the tempered glass for bullet-proof. I've broken tempered glass
patio doors. It's not that hard.

David wrote:

snip

swap the tempered glass for bullet-proof. I've broken tempered glass
patio doors. It's not that hard.

"It's not that hard."

A little play on words, David? g

Notan

Phil Scott wrote:


"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus
garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the
water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would
suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as
Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood
water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind
had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the
future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government
interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication,
and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation
for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


Tilt up concrete walls with rebar from slab foundation...
foundation anchored with 24" diameter deep piles at each
corner.

Flat metal storm roof under the mostly decorative pitched
roof. The storm roof would be poured concrete at 10'.. actual
ceiling in the house would be at 8' or 9'.

Glass would be tempered 1/2" glass. Steel shutters outside.

Doors would be heavy metal, tight sealing that swing out, not
in.


[...]

In New Orleans, where being below sea level and inland from the Gulf of
Mexico provides a lot of protection, this would be overkill, because the
big danger was and is flooding from broken or overtopped levees, not direct
storm surge. A building that can withstand high winds isn't the real
challenge: it's the massive force of MOVING water that is the killer. The
biggest problem with flooding (other than surviving it) is the major mold
and mildew problem that will persist for months or years afterward if the
materials are at all water absorbent.

And on the coast, directly exposed to the full force of combined storm surge
and waves, it wouldn't be nearly enough, unless it really were just a small
storm shelter within a larger building, and even then there are never
guarantees. Storm surge combined with large waves can shatter even a heavy
concrete foundation if it is undercut, and the undercut is why the pilings
are there. So you would need a lot more pilings than just the four
corners, unless it were a small (e.g. one room) shelter.

The "hurricane proof house" near Pensacola is an effort to design just such
a home, but it is far from "hurricane proof". "Hurricane resistant" is a
much better description. See
http://www.domeofahome.com/news_detail.asp?ID=29 for some discussion of how
much repair the $800,000 "hurricane proof" house needed after being near
the most destructive part of Ivan. The "before" images are at
http://www.domeofahome.com/gallery/ and some design info at
http://www.domeofahome.com/DomeHome_sun-sentinel.pdf

Keep in mind that the stairs and the concrete slab that were designed to
break away become battering rams when they wash up against someone else's
"hurricane proof" home.


- Bob

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||


A ferro cement geodesic dome.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

Perhaps a change of goverment or country is what you really need then.

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||





100% Hurricane Proof homes here.

www.winnebagoind.com

Just add a good weather-radio and make sure the tank is always full.

AMUN

"Amun" wrote in message
.. .

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

--
|||||||||||||||| Nehmo Sergheyev ||||||||||||||||





100% Hurricane Proof homes here.

www.winnebagoind.com

Just add a good weather-radio and make sure the tank is always full.

AMUN


I was going to suggest a trailer hitch.

Charlie

"Nehmo" wrote in message

How should this house be built and what should it have?

A $10,000,000 budget.

Upscale wrote:

"Nehmo" wrote in message

How should this house be built and what should it have?

A $10,000,000 budget.
This is already provided, Joe Taxpayer is footing the bill.

"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

Some of the codes for building at the shores take some of this into
consideration already. Most have to be raised about eight feet and no
utilities below that.

I'd probably use ICF construction. www.polysteel.com or
www.integraspec.com While the outside may have superficial damage, the
walls would not collapse. Shutters for the windows.

Plenty of supplies on hand, but I'd also have some sort of water
filtration/purification system. Generator, of course, but I'm now sure that
the best fuel would be. You'd want at least a two week fuel supply and
something easily replenished if longer term is needed.

In the Keys it is assumed you can't evaculate, so they are built to
withstand hurricanes.
I don't know details, but they are all on piers with heavy storm shutters.
Of course, they are above sealevel; not below it like NO. I suppose the
piers would have to be 15' higher, which doesn't seem practical.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Nehmo" wrote in message
...
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water
has been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer
zero damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and
supplies. And the house would need a secure means of transportation
for escape if necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?

Some of the codes for building at the shores take some of this into
consideration already. Most have to be raised about eight feet and no
utilities below that.

I'd probably use ICF construction. www.polysteel.com or
www.integraspec.com While the outside may have superficial damage,
the walls would not collapse. Shutters for the windows.

Plenty of supplies on hand, but I'd also have some sort of water
filtration/purification system. Generator, of course, but I'm now
sure that the best fuel would be. You'd want at least a two week
fuel supply and something easily replenished if longer term is needed.

Add Composting toilets, solar electric power and a large water storage tank
(3000+)
Dome type concrete construction with garage on bottom with water flow
through capability (open doors to let storm surge through) oh wait, I saw
one of these on Discovery channel already built in Florida. Built to
withstand over 300 mph winds.

Gary

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

Matt

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:54:44 GMT
Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

Matt


This sounds possible though, not out of the question.

-

Saab Guy wrote:

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:54:44 GMT
Matt Whiting wrote:


Nehmo wrote:

Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

Matt



This sounds possible though, not out of the question.

-

It is absolutely possible, but I'm not sure it is economically feasible.
I guess if you REALLY want to live in a below sea level area, it might
be worth it to you.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Notan

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:28:38 -0600
Notan wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Notan


So let's do a FULL recap of this house. I am going to save this for future use and reference.

Let's fill in the blanks and develope this and have it stand the test of back-and-forth until we ALL agree on the resultant.

Let's also be realistic, but don't limit yourself. Let's be practical but without any sacrifice on anything for the sake of safety & security most importantly.

HURRICANE-HOUSE
--------------------

FUTURE BUILDING SITE: N.O.

FOUNDATION SYSTEM: ?

FLOOR SYSTEM: ?

WALL SYSTEM: ?

ROOF SYSTEM: ?

DOORS & WINDOWS: ?

MOISTURE & THERMAL PROTECTION: ?

FORCE PROTECTION: ?

MECHANICAL SYSTEMS: ?

ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS: ?

Build it on a big mound of packed dirt with pilings to hold it all in
place. Make the rest of the structural parts except doors and windows
of heavily reinforced concrete.

Stretch

Notan wrote:
Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:

Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.


And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Possibly, hence the use of reinforced concrete and the steel shutters.

Matt

"Notan" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and
supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the
water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3
Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those
considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential
codes because it would be an eyesore.
A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could
survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped
structure.

On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:10:29 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
wrote:


"Notan" wrote in message
...
Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and
supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the
water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3
Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those
considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential
codes because it would be an eyesore.
A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could
survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped
structure.





iisn't new orleans on a sand bar? make it too heavy and it will just
sink when the ground gets saturated. a bunch of buildings did that on
sand fill in san francisco during one of the big earthquakes.

wrote in message
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On Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:10:29 GMT, "Jim-Poncin"
wrote:


"Notan" wrote in message
...
Matt Whiting wrote:

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water
has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had
subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and
the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and
supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape
if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


I'd build it using reinforced concrete with metal shutters to close
over
the windows, it's own 30 day water supply and enough fuel to power a
backup generator for that same amount of time, and I'd build it on
columns at least 20' tall above the ground, or whatever the storm surge
level from a cat 5 storm is expected to be in that area.

And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the
water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3
Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those
considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential
codes because it would be an eyesore.
A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could
survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped
structure.





iisn't new orleans on a sand bar? make it too heavy and it will just
sink when the ground gets saturated. a bunch of buildings did that on
sand fill in san francisco during one of the big earthquakes.

No, it lies on delta muds and silts that slowly de-water, compact and
subside. There are many tall masonry buildings in downtown N.O. that are on
the same foundation.

"Jim-Poncin" wrote
Yes, and if subjected to heavy wave action it would probably fail. Cat 3
Katrina tore up a lot of heavy duty structures. But even before those
considerations it would cost way too much and would not pass residential
codes because it would be an eyesore.
A realistic house would have to be one at ground level that could
survive immersion. I think that means a heavy stone/cement igloo shaped
structure.

Nope.
I've done over 300 hpmes in the 130mph wind zone during the past 15 years
and all of them sustained the 4 terrors last year.
No ONE thing will do it, it takes a *system*.
Clue: Abiding by FEMA dictates will get people killed.

"Notan" wrote in message
And, while building it off the ground, to get out of harm's way of the
water,
aren't you exposing it to more potential wind damage?

Notan

Sure, but that can be overcome with engineering and $$$$. maybe lots of
$$$$$$$$$$.

Nehmo wrote:
Let's say you're building a 1,500 square foot house plus garage on a
sufficiently sized lot from scratch in New Orleans after the water has
been drained. You want to build so that the house would suffer zero
damage should it endure a hurricane of similar size as Katrina.

You would have to build to survive the wind, the flood water, the
wind-caused waves in the water (In Katrina-NOLA, the wind had subsided
before water came in; this may not be the case in the future), and the
impacts of debris.

You need to anticipate looters and unwanted government interference.

The house would have independent utilities, communication, and supplies.
And the house would need a secure means of transportation for escape if
necessary.

How should this house be built and what should it have?


It should (like all others that need to be rebuilt) be placed in a
different location that has stable soil, isn't below sea level and
further inland so it isn't prone to the significant force of a hurricane
coming ashore.

"Nehmo" wrote in message
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How should this house be built and what should it have?

Underground?