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Safe Disposal of Stale Gasloline
How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? |
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In article , on Sun, 15 May
2005 13:44:06 GMT, Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? If it's just a small amount (say a gallon or less), add it to a nearly full auto gas tank. -- Seth Goodman |
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Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Pour it into the gas tank of your car or other vehicle. The dilution with the new gas will not cause a problem for the vehicle. Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. |
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rchanson wrote:
.... ... Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. Then it isn't a myth, is it? It's a variable. |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:44:06 GMT, Vince
wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? In my province there is a law that vehicle owners who change their own motor oil must dispose of the waste oil at a gas station dump tank. I disposed of contaminated gasoline in the same place. I asked the owner first if it was OK and he said yes. |
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:44:06 GMT, Vince
wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? If you really believe it's 'bad' then you might want to just use it diluted. Don't put it in your car since it might mess up with the emission system, or just overall operation. Personally I would just use it in my typical 2-cycle engines(lawnmower kind), but diluted. Just a guess.... tom |
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"rchanson" wrote in message oups.com... Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Pour it into the gas tank of your car or other vehicle. The dilution with the new gas will not cause a problem for the vehicle. Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. I'm sorry. It's a myth? But, it's a myth that won't run in your chainsaw? If it's just a myth, it SHOULD run in your chainsaw just fine. Right? STeve |
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"Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? I went to our local landfill transfer station a few weeks ago. As I was sitting there getting checked in, I noticed a notice that said, "AMNESTY DAY". I asked about it, and they said they had them four times a year. That people can bring in anything but explosives, and that kind of stuff. I had a bunch of old oil base paint that I wanted to dump, so I made the trip that Saturday. I just dump mine in the car. I don't ever have that much, and it doesn't ever get that old. STeve |
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Add the 'bad' fuel to the gas tank of your truck or car at a rate of 1 gal
to 15 of good. What do you think refiners do with there less than perfect gas?????? -- Remove the obvious to reply. Experienced and reliable Concrete Finishing and Synthetic Stucco application in the GTA. "SteveB" wrote in message news:8ZKhe.33035$fI.11205@fed1read05... "rchanson" wrote in message oups.com... Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Pour it into the gas tank of your car or other vehicle. The dilution with the new gas will not cause a problem for the vehicle. Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. I'm sorry. It's a myth? But, it's a myth that won't run in your chainsaw? If it's just a myth, it SHOULD run in your chainsaw just fine. Right? STeve |
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LOL, or send it to me, i can dispose of it for you at a reasonable cost as
long as gas stays over $4 a gallon up this way. -- Remove the obvious to reply. Experienced and reliable Concrete Finishing and Synthetic Stucco application in the GTA. "SteveB" wrote in message news:8ZKhe.33035$fI.11205@fed1read05... "rchanson" wrote in message oups.com... Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Pour it into the gas tank of your car or other vehicle. The dilution with the new gas will not cause a problem for the vehicle. Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. I'm sorry. It's a myth? But, it's a myth that won't run in your chainsaw? If it's just a myth, it SHOULD run in your chainsaw just fine. Right? STeve |
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Vince wrote:
How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Here's what you do NOT want to do: pour it in a storm drain followed thirty minutes later with a match. This combination will blow manhole covers for two blocks, belch fire out of the street storm-drain openings, turn over parked cars, and cause granny-ladies walking their dogs to drop their donuts. Every emergency vehicle for miles will respond with much running about by the occupants. TV trucks, helicopters overhead, neighbors standing outside their doors (kids safely inside), waiting to be interviewed. Dogs barking. Cats up trees. Then, the next day, the federals arrive. No, don't do that. |
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What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container
for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? |
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Vince wrote:
How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? First you need to know what stale gasoline is. If it is less than a year old, it isn't stale. If it still smells and looks like regular gas, it isn't stale. If you have small amounts of stale gas you can dilute it (about 1 gallon per 10 gallons of fresh gas) and burn it in your vehicle or other engine. If you really want to throw it away and it is really stale, then call the appropriate city or community office for disposal of hazards materials --oils, paints, etc. Check also check with auto supply stores. |
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
rchanson wrote: ... ... Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. Then it isn't a myth, is it? It's a variable. Gasoline does go bad. In the old days (I'm old enough to remember) that was about 6 months. Today gasoline last longer and you can generally store it for up to a couple of years before it starts showing its age. It is not a all or none thing, it slowly changes. As noted, if you have some old gas, just mixing it with fresh gas works fine. Note: old gas does not automatically have a lower octane rating. So you don't need to use premium to counter it. :-) -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Walter R. wrote:
What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Gasoline is made up of many different hydrocarbons. Some long some short. Octane has 8 carbons for example. As it ages some of them fall apart and then recombine with mixed company so they may make longer or shorter combinations. For several reasons this process tends to speed up over time. A "stabilizer" can slow the process down (it can't reverse it) . Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Walter R. wrote:
What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Ain't a myth. My old Ford 1970 F-350 sat for a couple of years, I started it up and moved the beast one day so I could put a for sale sign on it. I let it run for about an hour to make sure everything worked. All ok. Couple of days later a potential buyer showed up and on startup it made a few loud noises and started to belch smoke out of one of the exhaust pipes. I lost the sale, anyway I dug into it and found a couple of bent push rods with the valves stuck. careful use of a torch, solvent, and a hammer freed them up. I followed up with fresh gas and top oil and everything returned to normal. The gum in the old gas stuck the valves. Talking to a few old mechanic types I got " yep it'll do that". Dave |
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I just dump mine on my annoying neighbors yard. Stale or not, it does a
right fine job killing his grass! (kind of fun to spell words out in his yard this way too!). Kidding of course. You might check with your city's waste department. Ours has contracted with a private company to accept hazardous materials such as gasoline, oil, and such. Doesn't cost anything either. Cheers, cc "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? |
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SteveB wrote:
"Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? I went to our local landfill transfer station a few weeks ago. As I was sitting there getting checked in, I noticed a notice that said, "AMNESTY DAY". I asked about it, and they said they had them four times a year. That people can bring in anything but explosives, and that kind of stuff. I had a bunch of old oil base paint that I wanted to dump, so I made the trip that Saturday. I just dump mine in the car. I don't ever have that much, and it doesn't ever get that old. STeve Our land fill finally got smart. They have one day a week to take hazardous stuff to the dump at no cost to the dumper. Then they sort the stuff, and put it on shelves, especially paints, sealers, stains, paint thinner, acetone, and all sorts of chemicals for week control, insecticides, half empty cans of oven cleaner, etc. You take what you want for free or pay a minimal cost (like $0.25 for a nearly full gallon of paint). The other stuff, like used oil, gets dumped into big recycle tanks. |
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"Walter R." wrote in message ... What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter Dunno, but my Honda mower wouldn't work. Took it to the shop, and the guy told me it was "bad gas" that had been in there too long, and the good stuff had evaporated. You can smell "bad gas". It really smells just like varnish. BTW, it cost me $50 to get the "bad gas" taken out, and the mower running again. Steve |
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What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container
for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Low boiling fractions may evaporate, leaving a thicker fuel, of which, certain components (so-called olefins) may decompose. I suspect that it would also pick up some water. Overall, it's lower octane. |
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
Duane Bozarth wrote: rchanson wrote: ... ... Acttually, I have often found the myth of stale gasoline just a myth. However, for my chain saw, old gas is really a problem. Then it isn't a myth, is it? It's a variable. Gasoline does go bad. In the old days (I'm old enough to remember) that was about 6 months. Today gasoline last longer and you can generally store it for up to a couple of years before it starts showing its age. It is not a all or none thing, it slowly changes. As noted, if you have some old gas, just mixing it with fresh gas works fine. Note: old gas does not automatically have a lower octane rating. So you don't need to use premium to counter it. :-) I don't believe it is better today. We used to store gas in a barrel and not replenish for several years. Never had a problem with any engine even if the gas had sat in the tank for several years. But I did ruin an engine about 5 years ago. We used the pickup primarily for vacationing and I was busy and didn't go for about 3 years. Some but not all of the gas had been in the tank for nearly 3 years some for only one year. The engine ran so quite you could hardly hear it when I picked up some long wood. 6 months on a trip to the dump, 5-6 push rods stuck and were bent (boy what a clatter). Nope, gas in the 50s and 60s was more stable that the current mess. |
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SteveB wrote:
"Walter R." wrote in message ... What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter Dunno, but my Honda mower wouldn't work. Took it to the shop, and the guy told me it was "bad gas" that had been in there too long, and the good stuff had evaporated. You can smell "bad gas". It really smells just like varnish. BTW, it cost me $50 to get the "bad gas" taken out, and the mower running again. Steve Next time, dump the gas out of the tank, add some new gas and add some denature alcohol (up to 15 percent). Crank it a few time, it should start. If you don't want to run all of the gas-alcohol mixture through the engine, dump it out and fill the tank with fresh gas. |
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Walter R. wrote:
What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? I've never had a problem with a gas/oil mixture used in a 2 cycle engine. It will certainly last from season to season and most certainly from 2 years. From my own experience I have had no problem with gas/oil mix that is 3-4 years old. BUT, you really should mix only the amount you need for each season. In fact, it would make more sense to only mix 2 quarts at a time. I don't use my new chain saw much, so I just mix a quart at a time. The gasoline molecules combine with oxygen and make tarry sticky substances. So another way of reducing the problem of going stale is to make sure the storage container is nearly full. |
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Dave Morrison wrote:
Walter R. wrote: What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Ain't a myth. My old Ford 1970 F-350 sat for a couple of years, I started it up and moved the beast one day so I could put a for sale sign on it. I let it run for about an hour to make sure everything worked. All ok. Couple of days later a potential buyer showed up and on startup it made a few loud noises and started to belch smoke out of one of the exhaust pipes. I lost the sale, anyway I dug into it and found a couple of bent push rods with the valves stuck. careful use of a torch, solvent, and a hammer freed them up. I followed up with fresh gas and top oil and everything returned to normal. The gum in the old gas stuck the valves. Or the gummy old oil that had been there all that time. I really don't believe it was the gas. Talking to a few old mechanic types I got " yep it'll do that". Dave -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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SteveB wrote:
"Walter R." wrote in message ... What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter Dunno, but my Honda mower wouldn't work. Took it to the shop, and the guy told me it was "bad gas" that had been in there too long, and the good stuff had evaporated. You can smell "bad gas". It really smells just like varnish. Yes, generally it does smell different, after all it is different. It is also true that the gas can go bad because some of it evaporates. Not all the parts evaporate at the same rate. However even gas in a sealed container will go bad, but not because of evaporation. BTW, it cost me $50 to get the "bad gas" taken out, and the mower running again. Steve -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Gotta admit i get a 'gas' out of the idiots here saying stale gas is an
urban myth. LOL, gas without stabilizer that goes beyond a couple months is a clogged carb looking for a place to happen. BTW even winter spring and summer gas differ at time of delivery, try starting a tractor using winter gas in the heat of summer, it just runs like **** even with stabilizers. -- Remove the obvious to reply. Experienced and reliable Concrete Finishing and Synthetic Stucco application in the GTA. "James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message ... I just dump mine on my annoying neighbors yard. Stale or not, it does a right fine job killing his grass! (kind of fun to spell words out in his yard this way too!). Kidding of course. You might check with your city's waste department. Ours has contracted with a private company to accept hazardous materials such as gasoline, oil, and such. Doesn't cost anything either. Cheers, cc "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? |
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The "stale" gasloine that I am referring to sat in a typical container in my garage since last fall. When attempting to run my mower, the engine would stall out. Fresh gasline solved that problem. The color of the gasline looks like urine. I would not dare to put it into the gas tank of my 1991 car. The gas is now sitting in a covered plastic cat litter container in my backyard. Other than pouring the gasoline over an area where termites are supsected to be thriving and lighting a match, I would prefer to dispose of it safely. On Sun, 15 May 2005 13:44:06 GMT, Vince wrote: How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? |
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Vince wrote:
The "stale" gasloine that I am referring to sat in a typical container in my garage since last fall. When attempting to run my mower, the engine would stall out. Fresh gasline solved that problem. The color of the gasline looks like urine. I would not dare to put it into the gas tank of my 1991 car. The gas is now sitting in a covered plastic cat litter container in my backyard. .... That's not all that long and it will be fine if you dilute it in any vehicle. The color is probably the same as the color it started--that's the dye color for what is in use here as well... |
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
Dave Morrison wrote: Walter R. wrote: What, precisely, is the nature of "stale" gasoline? I use a 2 GL container for my chainsaw and leaf blower. 2 Gal last about 2 years. I have never had a problem with stale gas. Is this another urban myth? What is it that has deteriorated in stale gasoline. Just curious. Walter The Happy Iconoclast www.rationality.net "Vince" wrote in message ... How should/could stale gasoline be safely disposed ? Ain't a myth. My old Ford 1970 F-350 sat for a couple of years, I started it up and moved the beast one day so I could put a for sale sign on it. I let it run for about an hour to make sure everything worked. All ok. Couple of days later a potential buyer showed up and on startup it made a few loud noises and started to belch smoke out of one of the exhaust pipes. I lost the sale, anyway I dug into it and found a couple of bent push rods with the valves stuck. careful use of a torch, solvent, and a hammer freed them up. I followed up with fresh gas and top oil and everything returned to normal. The gum in the old gas stuck the valves. Or the gummy old oil that had been there all that time. I really don't believe it was the gas. Talking to a few old mechanic types I got " yep it'll do that". Dave Ok I did not change the oil and the problem did not repeat. The valve stems were glued in their bores no way oil is going to do that. Varnish in the gas, gets built up on the stems when you run the engine with stale gas, hardens when you let the engine cool. next time it is started it carks. Ever work on a carb that was allowed to dry out? Believe me there is varnish in that gas. Dave |
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just pour it on some weeds , or mix it with used oil. i would not
put rotten gas in your car, true some may have gotten away with it but ive seen it stop fuel pumps and clog filters. lucas |
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Vince wrote:
On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:10:44 -0400, wrote: just pour it on some weeds , or mix it with used oil. i would not put rotten gas in your car, true some may have gotten away with it but ive seen it stop fuel pumps and clog filters. lucas I believe that it would be foolish to mix contaminated/stale gasoline with the car gasoline. I wont do that here. I would submit if the car is being used regularly and the dilution is on the order of 10:1 (as it would be w/ the quantities talked about here) you'd have a very difficult time in telling... |
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"Red Cloudİ" wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:29:07 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: Vince wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:10:44 -0400, wrote: just pour it on some weeds , or mix it with used oil. i would not put rotten gas in your car, true some may have gotten away with it but ive seen it stop fuel pumps and clog filters. lucas I believe that it would be foolish to mix contaminated/stale gasoline with the car gasoline. I wont do that here. I would submit if the car is being used regularly and the dilution is on the order of 10:1 (as it would be w/ the quantities talked about here) you'd have a very difficult time in telling... Until your catalytic converter clogs, or your injectors fizzle... After burning one gallon of (maybe) six-month's old fuel mixed in w/ 15 gal or more of new? Not likely... |
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"Red Cloudİ" wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:44:31 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: "Red Cloudİ" wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:29:07 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: Vince wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:10:44 -0400, wrote: just pour it on some weeds , or mix it with used oil. i would not put rotten gas in your car, true some may have gotten away with it but ive seen it stop fuel pumps and clog filters. lucas I believe that it would be foolish to mix contaminated/stale gasoline with the car gasoline. I wont do that here. I would submit if the car is being used regularly and the dilution is on the order of 10:1 (as it would be w/ the quantities talked about here) you'd have a very difficult time in telling... Until your catalytic converter clogs, or your injectors fizzle... After burning one gallon of (maybe) six-month's old fuel mixed in w/ 15 gal or more of new? Not likely... Sorry, I checked back, and I got this thread confused with another similar one that involved discarding old gas with 2-stroke oil mixed into it, which WILL ruin a catalytic converter, and potentially plug injectors. I didn't see that thread (thank goodness ), but I'd think that highly unlikely also at similar volumes... |
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"Red Cloudİ" wrote:
.... Nope, even an engine that simple burns a little oil because the rings are worn can destroy the converter pretty quickly. They don't tolerate oil very well at all. .... But that's a continual situation, not a one-shot deal...an entirely different scenario. |
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"Red Cloudİ" wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 14:13:26 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: "Red Cloudİ" wrote: ... Nope, even an engine that simple burns a little oil because the rings are worn can destroy the converter pretty quickly. They don't tolerate oil very well at all. ... But that's a continual situation, not a one-shot deal...an entirely different scenario. Nope, Duane, I said QUICKLY. There are additives in oil that are deadly to the converter even in what "sounds" like relatively small doses. You are free to do whatever you want, but you also get to pay for your mistakes. I'm just trying to save you some trouble and expense. I'm not doing it, but knowing how long many cars run w/ sizable oil consumption and comparing that w/ the one time mixture of say 32:1 of 2-cycle oil for 1 gal in 15 gal tank, I'll venture the chances are pretty minimal in that type of volume to see discernable damage. You have specific information to the contrary on actual volumes required? |
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Red Cloudİ wrote:
.... Sorry, I checked back, and I got this thread confused with another similar one that involved discarding old gas with 2-stroke oil mixed into it, which WILL ruin a catalytic converter, and potentially plug injectors. rusty redcloud That will not likely cause a problem. Consider this. Most car manufacturers today believe that a quart of oil every 1,000 miles is acceptable. (I don't, but that is another issue). In any case they are talking about burning a quart of engine oil in 1,000 miles That would be a quart of oil in maybe 40 gallons of gas. Mixing a gallon of 2 cycle mix with say 10 gallons of gas would give you far less oil per gallon than the manufacturer says is safe, and it is oil designed to burn in an engine unlike engine oil. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
Red Cloudİ wrote: ... Sorry, I checked back, and I got this thread confused with another similar one that involved discarding old gas with 2-stroke oil mixed into it, which WILL ruin a catalytic converter, and potentially plug injectors. rusty redcloud That will not likely cause a problem. Consider this. Most car manufacturers today believe that a quart of oil every 1,000 miles is acceptable. (I don't, but that is another issue). In any case they are talking about burning a quart of engine oil in 1,000 miles That would be a quart of oil in maybe 40 gallons of gas. Mixing a gallon of 2 cycle mix with say 10 gallons of gas would give you far less oil per gallon than the manufacturer says is safe, and it is oil designed to burn in an engine unlike engine oil. That parallels my thinking as well....there are a lot of older vehicles still passing emission checks that a significant (imo) amount of oil... |
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I dump it on the weeds growing in cracks in sidewalk... probably
illegal... but hey... it just evaporates away doesn't it??? |
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
"Red Cloudİ" wrote: On Tue, 17 May 2005 12:29:07 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: Vince wrote: On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:10:44 -0400, wrote: just pour it on some weeds , or mix it with used oil. i would not put rotten gas in your car, true some may have gotten away with it but ive seen it stop fuel pumps and clog filters. lucas I believe that it would be foolish to mix contaminated/stale gasoline with the car gasoline. I wont do that here. I would submit if the car is being used regularly and the dilution is on the order of 10:1 (as it would be w/ the quantities talked about here) you'd have a very difficult time in telling... Until your catalytic converter clogs, or your injectors fizzle... After burning one gallon of (maybe) six-month's old fuel mixed in w/ 15 gal or more of new? Not likely... May be true, but your tires will go flat, the steering wheel come loose, and your windshield will crack. |
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