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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
Looking to clarify some points installing a Leviton 51110 whole
house surge protector from Home Depot. The surge protector has four leads - two black, one green, one white. 1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? 1b. - If 2 more breakers need to be installed, the available spots are below the already installed breakers. Shouldn't they be as close as possible to the top of the stack of breakers so any surge hits the protector before hitting the rest of the breakers or not necessarily? 2. The instructions specify the white line going to the neutral bus, the green going to the ground bus. However, the schematic seems to show the green and white going to a common ground. On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? Anyone have experience with this particular unit? Thanks for all input. - My breaker box: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...reaker_Box.jpg - Installation schematic: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/.../schematic.JPG - Link to info on this protector at the Leviton site. http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...minisite=10251 |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
On Nov 29, 1:08*pm, Doc wrote:
Looking to clarify some points installing a Leviton 51110 whole house surge protector from Home Depot. The surge protector has four leads - two black, one green, one white. 1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? It would be very unusal to have an extra breaker there, waiting for someone to come along and need it. 1b. - If 2 more breakers need to be installed, the available spots are below the already installed breakers. Shouldn't they be as close as possible to the top of the stack of breakers so any surge hits the protector before hitting the rest of the breakers or not necessarily? For all reasonable purposes it doesn't matter where on the panel it's connected 2. The instructions specify the white line going to the neutral bus, the green going to the ground bus. However, the schematic seems to show the green and white going to a common ground. On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? How would we know without seeing it? Anyone have experience with this particular unit? No experience is required with that unit. The principles and operation are the same |
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On Nov 29, 1:15*pm, "
wrote: On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? How would we know without seeing it? As per my original message - - My breaker box: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...reaker_Box.jpg Further info gathering indicates the bus with the square lug at the top is the neutral. Anyone have experience with this particular unit? No experience is required with that unit. The principles and operation are the same Wondering if anyone has experience with this particular unit as far as it doing what it's supposed to do. |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
"Doc" wrote in message ... Looking to clarify some points installing a Leviton 51110 whole house surge protector from Home Depot. The surge protector has four leads - two black, one green, one white. 1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? 1b. - If 2 more breakers need to be installed, the available spots are below the already installed breakers. Shouldn't they be as close as possible to the top of the stack of breakers so any surge hits the protector before hitting the rest of the breakers or not necessarily? 2. The instructions specify the white line going to the neutral bus, the green going to the ground bus. However, the schematic seems to show the green and white going to a common ground. On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? Anyone have experience with this particular unit? Thanks for all input. - My breaker box: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...reaker_Box.jpg - Installation schematic: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/.../schematic.JPG You will need to install the new breakers. They do not have to be near the top as the bus for the hot wires are thick enough not to make any differance. Breakers usually alternate from the left hot wire to the right hot wire as you come down the line. That is why you should install two breakers next to each other. The one on the top right looks to be two single breakers that are connected by a connector so that if one trips, both sides will disconnect. There are some single breakers that take up two slots and only one switch. While this is a single breaker each screw is hooked to the seperate incomming black hot wires. This is for running the 240 volt devices. The neutral and ground wires should be connected together in the breaker box so it does not really make any differance as to where you connect the white and green wires from the surge protector as far as to neutral and ground. It just looks beter if the white is connected to neutral and green to ground. May need to be that way just to satify the electrical code. The one labled A is the neutral and your white wire should go there. the one with the bare wires , your B , is the ground and the green wire should go there. |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
On Nov 29, 1:56*pm, Bill wrote:
Anyway you have two hots coming in at the top of the panel. Note there is NO MAIN CUT OFF SWITCH! Power will ALWAYS BE LIVE to this panel!!!! There's a main breaker outside the house. I could install one of these little square box protector units on that but if I put one on the inside panel in the garage I'll be walking by it all the time and can more readily observe the status lights. You can NOT place two wires in one breaker connection, so you need to buy a new "full size" double breaker for that specific brand/model panel. You feel it should be a double breaker instead of two singles? |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
Looking to clarify some points installing a Leviton 51110 whole
house surge protector from Home Depot. The surge protector has four leads - two black, one green, one white. 1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? 1b. - If 2 more breakers need to be installed, the available spots are below the already installed breakers. Shouldn't they be as close as possible to the top of the stack of breakers so any surge hits the protector before hitting the rest of the breakers or not necessarily? 2. The instructions specify the white line going to the neutral bus, the green going to the ground bus. However, the schematic seems to show the green and white going to a common ground. On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? Anyone have experience with this particular unit? Thanks for all input. - My breaker box: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...reaker_Box.jpg - Installation schematic: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/.../schematic.JPG - Link to info on this protector at the Leviton site. http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...minisite=10251 *Install a 20 amp two pole breaker in the available spaces. White neutral wire goes on the left side, the green ground wire goes on the right side. Make sure that your grounding electrode conductor connections at the water pipe and ground rods are clean and tight. |
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On Nov 29, 4:15*pm, Bill wrote:
Then double breakers are usually used for a 240 volt appliance. They have what is called an "internal common trip". Those would be for things like a range, electric hot water heater, etc. And in that case, if one "hot" was overloaded, you would want both to trip as is what happens. But I would not think that would matter with this surge protector. I see the install instructions actually specify that independent single pole breakers are preferred. |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
On Nov 29, 4:50*pm, Doc wrote:
On Nov 29, 4:15*pm, Bill wrote: Then double breakers are usually used for a 240 volt appliance. They have what is called an "internal common trip". Those would be for things like a range, electric hot water heater, etc. And in that case, if one "hot" was overloaded, you would want both to trip as is what happens. But I would not think that would matter with this surge protector. I see the install instructions actually specify that independent single pole breakers are preferred. Which is very strange indeed. I don't see any reason for that and don't know of any other surge protector manufacturer with that recomendation. I'd also note that with a 4,000 amp rating, this isn't what I would use when for the same or less money you can get one that is rated at 20,000 or 40,000 amps. I guess since it has protection for phone and cable also, that's worth something, but seperate protectors for phone and cable are available for $10. |
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Installing Leviton Whole House Surge Protector
On 11/29/2012 12:08 PM, Doc wrote:
Looking to clarify some points installing a Leviton 51110 whole house surge protector from Home Depot. The surge protector has four leads - two black, one green, one white. 1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? The instructions recommend 30A breakers. 1b. - If 2 more breakers need to be installed, the available spots are below the already installed breakers. Shouldn't they be as close as possible to the top of the stack of breakers so any surge hits the protector before hitting the rest of the breakers or not necessarily? I have a slight preference for a postion near the feed - top in your panel. But you want to minimize the length of wire from the protector to the hot, neutral and ground connections. (And you don't want sharp bends in the wires.) In your panel my preference would be to connect the protector to the panel on the right toward the bottom of the busbars. The neutral connection goes to the bar on the left side under the busbars. Minimum length to the ground bar. I would put the breaker(s) for the surge protector in the bottom right position (moving the breaker that is there now). 2. The instructions specify the white line going to the neutral bus, the green going to the ground bus. However, the schematic seems to show the green and white going to a common ground. The neutral is connected to "ground" at a service panel. That connection may be at this panel, or probably at the service disconnect. I would prefer to install the surge protection where the earthing electrodes connect to the system. The earthing electrodes appear to connect to the ground bus in the picture. On my box, I've id'd "A" as the neutral bus - the one with the white wires going to it, "B" as the ground bus. Is this correct? Yes. Anyone have experience with this particular unit? Thanks for all input. - My breaker box: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/...reaker_Box.jpg - Installation schematic: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/.../schematic.JPG - Link to info on this protector at the Leviton site. http://www.leviton.com/OA_HTML/Produ...minisite=10251 Nice picture and links. It helps a lot. |
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On Nov 30, 10:17*am, bud-- wrote:
1. From what I understand the blacks need to go to adjacent 20 amp breakers, doesn't matter which goes to which. There aren't two adjacent 20's on my board so I gather 2 more need to be installed? The instructions recommend 30A breakers. Apparently the online version of the instructions indicate 30A as was pointed out in another forum, the instructions in the box definitely say 20A. |
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