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To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I
am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? Would crossing two joists be sufficient, or should I cross 4 joists? Also, the ceiling of the garage is finished with drywall. Does it matter if I run the 2x6 on the finished side of the ceiling, or is it better to run it in the attic? If I run it in the attic, it will obviously look more attractive in the garage but the eye hook will have to have a couple inches on it outside the board it is attached to accommodate the width of the joist and the thickness of the drywall. I do something similar in my basement to load the chest freezer converted kegerator. I have a steel cable wrapped around a iron beam and the chain hoist is connected to that. Thank you in advance for any suggestions. |
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On 5 Sep 2006 11:08:31 -0700, wrote:
To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. I don't know, but I'm not a structural engineer. However, have you thought about using an engine hoist? They're designed to handle much more weight than just a keg, and are not that expensive. The only question would be whether the engine hoist would be able to lift the keg high enough to get it in the back of your truck. John. |
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160 is generally not a lotof weight, but then add to it the weight of
the chain and block and tackle, etc and you're over 200 maybe going toward 250. The only concern I would have is that being a truss roof it is engineered to support a load from the top, not necessarily from the bottom. A truss is one of those things where whole is stronger than the the sum of the parts. I would suggest trying to put the support beam above the ceiling joists and to have the support beam span as many beams as you can (at least 2-3 on each side). This will spread the load more evenly among the beams. I also suggest you use a doube 2x4 or double 2x6 with boards on edge as your support as the wood is much stronger on edge than flat. Its probably over-engineering, but even a little flex will crack your sheetrock on the ceiling. John 'Shaggy' Kolesar wrote: On 5 Sep 2006 11:08:31 -0700, wrote: To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. I don't know, but I'm not a structural engineer. However, have you thought about using an engine hoist? They're designed to handle much more weight than just a keg, and are not that expensive. The only question would be whether the engine hoist would be able to lift the keg high enough to get it in the back of your truck. John. |
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satellite_chris wrote:
To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. 160 lbs is not that heavy. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? Would crossing two joists be sufficient, or should I cross 4 joists? Also, the ceiling of the garage is finished with drywall. Does it matter if I run the 2x6 on the finished side of the ceiling, or is it better to run it in the attic? If I run it in the attic, it will obviously look more attractive in the garage but the eye hook will have to have a couple inches on it outside the board it is attached to accommodate the width of the joist and the thickness of the drywall. I do something similar in my basement to load the chest freezer converted kegerator. I have a steel cable wrapped around a iron beam and the chain hoist is connected to that. I would use at least a 4x4 across 4 joists and I would attach it below the ceilingfor easier installation and removal. I homebrew and bought a carboy lifter for $225 an it's been worth more than I paid for it. But it's not large enough for a half gallon keg. Consider homebrewing for 5 gallon kegs and much better beer! Dick - MeadGuild at AOL |
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Chris Lewis,
Would you be willing to share a digital photo of your configuration? I'm not asking you to climb in to your attic, but perhaps from the garage side of things.... Or if you could slap a crude drawing together in paintbrush that would be super helpful. How did you tie the 4x4 to the 4 trusses? Lag bolts? Also, did the 4x4 extend beyond the far left and right truss a few inches or end directly on the edge of those trusses? Why was the quicklink necessary between the eyebolt and the chain hoist? Also, did your eyebolt extend down far enough from on top of the trusses in the attic, the full height of the truss and through sheetrock if you have it? Thanks for sharing the details of your setup. Chris |
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satellite_chris wrote:
To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? Would crossing two joists be sufficient, or should I cross 4 joists? Also, the ceiling of the garage is finished with drywall. Does it matter if I run the 2x6 on the finished side of the ceiling, or is it better to run it in the attic? If I run it in the attic, it will obviously look more attractive in the garage but the eye hook will have to have a couple inches on it outside the board it is attached to accommodate the width of the joist and the thickness of the drywall. I do something similar in my basement to load the chest freezer converted kegerator. I have a steel cable wrapped around a iron beam and the chain hoist is connected to that. Thank you in advance for any suggestions. Gravity is your friend. Roll the sucker off a ramp. |
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According to satellite_chris :
Would you be willing to share a digital photo of your configuration? I'm not asking you to climb in to your attic, but perhaps from the garage side of things.... Or if you could slap a crude drawing together in paintbrush that would be super helpful. It doesn't need a picture. It's as simple as it sounds - I just happened to have a 7' or so 4x4. Bored a hole thru the middle, installed the largest eyebolt I could easily find (I think it's 3/8") with washers especially on top, and dropped the 4x4 crossways across the truss chords with the eyebolt facing down. The quicklink goes to the eyebolt, and the chain hoist under that. How did you tie the 4x4 to the 4 trusses? Lag bolts? Also, did the 4x4 extend beyond the far left and right truss a few inches or end directly on the edge of those trusses? Right now it's not even fastened to the chords ;-) It ain't going anywhere. I don't plan on doing any swinging on it. I imagine not fastening it does weaken it somewhat - see below. Given your load requirements (200 lbs), even a (decent) 2x4 laid _flat_ across only two truss chords would be sufficient. Otherwise, many of us would be falling through decks all the time ;-) But a 4x4 across multiple chords gives _lots_ of margin and reduces undesigned-for stress on the trusses. As long as the board fits, don't bother cutting it. A few inches of overhang can't hurt, and aren't worth cutting off. One end of mine runs into the hatch opening. Why was the quicklink necessary between the eyebolt and the chain hoist? Also, did your eyebolt extend down far enough from on top of the trusses in the attic, the full height of the truss and through sheetrock if you have it? I didn't want the eyebolt protruding away from the 4x4 any more than necessary. Because sideways stress would tend to flex and eventually weaken it. At the same time, I wanted to ensure that the chain hoist itself clears the bottom of the truss. So, the eye of the bolt is right against the 4x4, and the quicklink gives me another 3" of hang to the hoist. Probably not strictly necessary (the hoist has several inches of hook on the top), but the hook on the hoist won't go through the eyebolt, so I had to put something there anyway that the hook could go through. This was a quick hack job, because my small engines course was starting, and I had to get the engine to the class ;-) The ceiling is presently trusses, batt insulation, vapor barrier plastic, and lathe. I will be drywalling it eventually (I've already done some of the garage). I just cut the plastic and pushed the fiberglass out of the way. Given that that punctured the vapor barrier good, and it's necessary in our climate (especially when I'm heating the garage), I have to properly "finish it". This will entail putting up short 2x4s to "box" in a "slot" the eyebolt goes through, and reconstituting the vapor barrier. At the same time I'll probably (well, I'll probably blackmail my son to do it ;-) use some 3 1/2" or 4" #10 screws to pre-drill "toe-screws" of the 4x4 into the chords, and replace the cheap eyebolt with a welded/cast possibly 1/2" one. If I can afford one ;-) Fastening the board the eye bolt is on to the _bottom_ of the trusses would work fine for your or my application (even with just a pair of pre-drilled #10 screws per chord) and would be much easier. But I just don't like hanging heavy things on screws or even lags loaded "straight line". Despite the fact that a properly installed single #8 screw into softwood is rated at something on the order of 500+ pounds straight pull. (1400 pounds into maple is a number I recall from somewhere). But being able to pry it off with a claw hammer or the result of a good hard side whack doesn't inspire confidence. [And I'm not comfortable driving largeish lags into a truss under any circumstances. I'm going to predrill just to ensure that there's no tendency to split.] -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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I've pulled V-8 engines & trannys with less in my younger days, I did usually make provision to wedge a 2 X 4 or 4 X 4 in on either end between the top board and the floor effectively creating an A. I will say the rafters creaked a little with 500 + lbs hanging from them. Then again they don't build houses now, like they did in the 50's |
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On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:26:43 -0000, Chris Lewis wrote:
Keep in mind that roof trusses pretty well have to be engineered well enough to support a person walking along the lower chord. Which conservatively would be on the order of 300lbs on _each_ chord. Yup. And every time I walk on mine, I get nailpops in the ceiling. I estimate 1/2-in flex under my weight... That in mind, I did the following: a chunk of 4x4 extending over 4 truss chords (on top). It just so happens that the 4x4 is immediately adjacent to truss ties to the upper chord. A 2x6 on edge (ie, 5-1/2-in tall) will carry more weight. And if you fasten thru the 2x6 (thru the 1-1/2-in dimension) into vertical truss members it will be very solid. I'm wondering about doing my entire attic space that way to eliminate the nail pops caused by my walking around up there (have a lot of wires and plumbing to run). I'd reinforce it (possibly with the assistance of an engineer) if I thought I'd have to do full drums or something like that. Full drum of water, eg 55gUS, is still well under your 1000lb guestimate. sdb -- Wanted: Omnibook 800 & accessories, cheap, working or not sdbuse1 on mailhost bigfoot.com |
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satellite_chris wrote: To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? Would crossing two joists be sufficient, or should I cross 4 joists? Also, the ceiling of the garage is finished with drywall. Does it matter if I run the 2x6 on the finished side of the ceiling, or is it better to run it in the attic? If I run it in the attic, it will obviously look more attractive in the garage but the eye hook will have to have a couple inches on it outside the board it is attached to accommodate the width of the joist and the thickness of the drywall. I do something similar in my basement to load the chest freezer converted kegerator. I have a steel cable wrapped around a iron beam and the chain hoist is connected to that. Thank you in advance for any suggestions. 160 pounds? A chain hoist?!!!. A rope and two pulleys will move that easily unless you are crippled somehow. Why dick around with a heavy slow chain hoist? To be honest, I wouldn't even mess around with a hoist at all to move such an item, a ramp and roll the sucker. Harry K |
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On 5 Sep 2006 18:21:03 GMT, John 'Shaggy' Kolesar
wrote: On 5 Sep 2006 11:08:31 -0700, wrote: To save my back when lifting half barrels on and off my pickup truck I am trying to rig a hoist. I am planning to run a 2x6 across several joists attached via lag bolts in my garage with a heavy duty eye hook in the center. I will then use a 500lb capacity chain hoist connected to the 2x6, connected to a custom bracket that fits between the handles on the keg. The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. Does anyone see any reason to be concerned with the structure of the home? The joists are the bottom of trusses in the attic that support the roof. I don't know, but I'm not a structural engineer. However, have you thought about using an engine hoist? They're designed to handle much more weight than just a keg, and are not that expensive. The only question would be whether the engine hoist would be able to lift the keg high enough to get it in the back of your truck. Sort of a good idea, but there still remains the question, how can he attach the engine hoist to the frame of the house, so that the frame can support everything? That the engine hoist can hold everything below it, and one person can raise the engine or keg doesn't lessen the weight on the frame of the house, above it. John. |
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On 5 Sep 2006 11:08:31 -0700, "satellite_chris"
wrote: The keg will only be suspended by the hook for a couple minutes at most to give time to either pull the truck out when unloading a keg, or pull the truck underneath the keg when loading. In both cases it will be cranked up just enough to hover a couple inches above the truck bed and then be lowered to the floor. The full weight of a full 1/2 barrel is about 160lbs. I think with a little added thought you can eliminate the part where you have to move the truck for each keg. Hang a doodad from the ceiling of the garage**, so that your rear truck window just hits it when you are far enough backed in that the end of your hoist is just beyond the edge of your tailgate. You can pull the keg onto the tailgate or attach it when it is in the truck, whichever you plan to do, and when you lift it up it will swing a little but shouldn't be dangerous, and when it is beyond the tailgate (directly below the hoist attaching point) you can lower it. When you raise it, when it is higher than the truck be=d, push it in a bit with one arm and lower with the other. **They sell these stupid red, or red and green lights, to tell when you are far enough into the garage. They also have one that uses sonar, iirc. My mother just hung a doodad from a string so that it hit the windshield when she was the right amount in. It cost nothing, needed no batteries, never broke, and worked for a decade until she moved out of the house. (She might have had to raise or lower it when she got a different car, but in the case of her cars, which were about the same size, I don't think so.) |
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What a good idea, I am going to do that this weekend as I already have a mark on a 10 months old car (not me driving honest). Stu http://www.cateringappliancesltd.co.uk |
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satellite_chris writes:
Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? No. Go up in the attic with a piece of SuperStrut from Home Depot electrical aisle. Lay it so it crosses the rafters. Use 1/2" threaded rod and nuts to project a stud through the ceiling down into the garage so it sticks out an inch or so. Use a coupling nut and 1/2" threaded eye to get your attachment point. I have lifted 800 lbs this way: http://www.truetex.com/movemill.htm Stabbing lag screws into rafters weakens the rafters, and you risk pull-out of the screws. |
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sylvan butler wrote:
Full drum of water, eg 55gUS, is still well under your 1000lb guestimate. Under 460 lbs is much closer. Dick |
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Stu wrote:
What a good idea, I am going to do that this weekend as I already have a mark on a 10 months old car (not me driving honest). Stu http://www.cateringappliancesltd.co.uk You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined wisdom of the generations. |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message
... Stu wrote: What a good idea, I am going to do that this weekend as I already have a mark on a 10 months old car (not me driving honest). Stu http://www.cateringappliancesltd.co.uk You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined wisdom of the generations. I use an old 2x6 laid on the floor. This works fine and I did not need to build anything. I marked around it with chalk if it ever moved, but it stays in place well. Tomes |
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Richard,
How do I attach the SuperStrut to the joists or are you suggesting just letting it lay there? Thanks for your suggestion! Chris Richard J Kinch wrote: No. Go up in the attic with a piece of SuperStrut from Home Depot electrical aisle. Lay it so it crosses the rafters. Use 1/2" threaded rod and nuts to project a stud through the ceiling down into the garage so it sticks out an inch or so. Use a coupling nut and 1/2" threaded eye to get your attachment point. I have lifted 800 lbs this way: http://www.truetex.com/movemill.htm Stabbing lag screws into rafters weakens the rafters, and you risk pull-out of the screws. |
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On 6 Sep 2006 07:43:23 -0700, "satellite_chris"
wrote: Richard, How do I attach the SuperStrut to the joists or are you suggesting just letting it lay there? Let it lay there. If you get enough lateral force to make it slide, you WANT it to slide, instead of yanking the truss(s) out sideways. |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:29:28 -0400, wrote:
I don't know, but I'm not a structural engineer. However, have you thought about using an engine hoist? They're designed to handle much more weight than just a keg, and are not that expensive. The only question would be whether the engine hoist would be able to lift the keg high enough to get it in the back of your truck. Sort of a good idea, but there still remains the question, how can he attach the engine hoist to the frame of the house, so that the frame can support everything? That the engine hoist can hold everything below it, and one person can raise the engine or keg doesn't lessen the weight on the frame of the house, above it. An engine hoist wouldn't attach to the frame of the house. It's a seperate stand. Something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...700+303976+115 John. |
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Interesting...if it were to slide too far it would probably cause a keg
to come crashing down. I can't imagine not attaching it but I suppose I should just take everyones word for it. Goedjn wrote: On 6 Sep 2006 07:43:23 -0700, "satellite_chris" wrote: Richard, How do I attach the SuperStrut to the joists or are you suggesting just letting it lay there? Let it lay there. If you get enough lateral force to make it slide, you WANT it to slide, instead of yanking the truss(s) out sideways. |
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Richard J Kinch writes:
satellite_chris writes: Should I use a larger board such as a 2x8? No. Go up in the attic with a piece of SuperStrut from Home Depot electrical aisle. Lay it so it crosses the rafters. Use 1/2" threaded rod and nuts to project a stud through the ceiling down into the garage so it sticks out an inch or so. Use a coupling nut and 1/2" threaded eye to get your attachment point. I have lifted 800 lbs this way: http://www.truetex.com/movemill.htm Stabbing lag screws into rafters weakens the rafters, and you risk pull-out of the screws. Interesting discussion. I like the idea of not stabbing things into the rafters. Superstrute makes a lot of stuff though... Is it their channel that you used? http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...el-651404.aspx http://www.tnb.com/contractor/docs/superstrut.pdf -- -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ |
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On 6 Sep 2006 12:05:08 -0700, "satellite_chris"
wrote: Interesting...if it were to slide too far it would probably cause a keg to come crashing down. I can't imagine not attaching it but I suppose I should just take everyones word for it. Goedjn wrote: It can't slide more than the distance between two joists, because the part that sticks down will jam up against one. if it tries to slide the other way, you MIGHT get enough rotation to let the beam drop through. If this is a permanant installation, you want it anchored to the top of the wall-plates. |
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Todd H. writes:
Superstrute makes a lot of stuff though... Is it their channel that you used? http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...t-straps/gold- c hannel-651404.aspx That looks like it: 1-5/8 x 1-5/8 C-channel with rolled edges and 1/2" oblong perforations. Zinc chromate surface treatment, or if you can find it, the hot-dipped zinc. http://www.tnb.com/contractor/docs/superstrut.pdf I used the "A series" metal framing channels from this catalog that are sold at Home Depot. But any of the series seem like they should handle loads of this type. This stuff is the thing to remember when you have a hardware requirement of this type. Forget the hardware aisle, and go to the electrical aisle for Superstrut. The long threaded rods there are multiples cheaper than the hardware aisle, too. I actually had the 10' lengths Superstrut left over from scaffolding I improvised for a stoneworking project. I had used it to hang an accurate and straight ledge off a cantilever slab that was the coping of my swimming pool. The ledge supported heavy slabs of marble while they were set into mortar on a vertical face: http://www.truetex.com/dsc00454.jpg |
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satellite_chris writes:
How do I attach the SuperStrut to the joists or are you suggesting just letting it lay there? Lay it crosswise with the C opening up. No attachment needed unless you expect a lot of sideways forces. The 1/2" threaded rod goes vertically down through the gypsum board ceiling, and lightly secures the assembly in place. Run a nut and washer up to the bottom of the ceiling from below, and in the attic you have a washer and nut on top, so the pair of nuts on the rod are acting as a weakly tightened (a little more than finger-tight) clamp that holds the strut down in the attic. You weakly tighten so as to avoid cracking the gypsum board. Under load the clamp loosens so you don't crack the gypsum board. If you start to see a gap between the washer and ceiling, you know you have a load that's starting to bend the joists. But in my applications I've lifted 500 to 800 lbs without even loosening the hand-tight clamping. |
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On 5 Sep 2006 23:48:36 -0700, "Stu"
wrote: What a good idea, I am going to do that this weekend as I already have a mark on a 10 months old car (not me driving honest). Stu http://www.cateringappliancesltd.co.uk My mother just used something little and light, the size of a thimble iirc, heavy enough to hold the cotton string straight, and big enough to be seen and for her to tell when it touched the window, (because it stops getting closer), but not annoying if you walk into it when there is no car in the garage. A lot of the other devices, including the fancy expensive ones, can't be seen until you're supposed to stop, or not at all. This one can see from several feet away. Unfortunately I have no garage. |
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Geez, everyone sure is making it complicated to lift that 160 lb keg! It's not like it's a 600 lb engine or something. This is a very good point. I hung an 80 lb kick bag by bolting a piece of 4x4 between two joists and suspending from a heavy duty hook. It took almost daily abuse for 9 years so much abuse that the bag had to be replaced twice. My suggestion: Tap the keg while it's still in the pickup, you're not going to be drinking and driving anyway, are you? My only problem is that beer will get warm unless you're holding a party. Dick |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message ... You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined wisdom of the generations. I use an old metal garbage can about 3 feet from the wall. It still slams the wall every few weeks. I think my wife is trying to give me a stroke! Bill |
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"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" wrote in message An engine hoist wouldn't attach to the frame of the house. It's a seperate stand. Something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...700+303976+115 I have one in the garage and used it several times. Does a great job of snatching heavy stuff out of the back of my P/U. Got it at Sam's for $40 less and that's one heavy package by it's self, you'd pay a bunch for shipping. Mine also came with a leveling bar that isn't in the Summit description or pictures. Mark R |
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"William Benz Jr" wrote in message ... "HeyBub" wrote in message ... You MUST use an old tennis ball and a long shoelace. Anything else defies convention, mocks historical precedent, and is an insult to the combined wisdom of the generations. I use an old metal garbage can about 3 feet from the wall. It still slams the wall every few weeks. I think my wife is trying to give me a stroke! That's why I stand behind the front door and jump out at her when she comes home from work. ;-) Mark R |
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:38:39 -0500, wrote:
"John 'Shaggy' Kolesar" wrote in message An engine hoist wouldn't attach to the frame of the house. It's a seperate stand. Something like this: http://store.summitracing.com/partde...700+303976+115 I have one in the garage and used it several times. Does a great job of snatching heavy stuff out of the back of my P/U. Got it at Sam's for $40 less and that's one heavy package by it's self, you'd pay a bunch for shipping. Mine also came with a leveling bar that isn't in the Summit description or pictures. Yeah, I just grabbed the example from Summit because the link was handy. I've seen them cheaper elsewhere. You can usually get them from Sears or local autoparts stores (probably a special order), so should be able to just go pick one up rather than pay for shipping. John. |
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I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which
is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you are. Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on the home. Harry K wrote: Exactly. If there ever was a case of over-engineering, this is it. 160 lb keg does not need a hoist to get it out of the bed. One plank and either drag or roll if it you are too weak to gently lower 160 pounds. If a hoist is wanted, one pulley on the ceiling and one on the keg brings it down to 80 pound pull on a rope. I am surprised no-one except you and I have mentioned the absurdity of setting up for a CHAINHOIST!!! Harry K |
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satellite_chris wrote: I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you are. Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on the home. Okay, I can buy that but I still think the chain hoist is way overboard. I would get a lot more fun out of rigging a few pulleys than using one of those as heavy and slow as they are. I can see needing a hoist to raise the kegs -up- but a ramp would be plenty for bringing them -down-. No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in place. Harry K |
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I think you are right, I should just build a ramp, which will still let
me save my back and for sure not put any stress on my trusses. Thanks for bringing me back to reality. Harry K wrote: satellite_chris wrote: I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you are. Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on the home. Okay, I can buy that but I still think the chain hoist is way overboard. I would get a lot more fun out of rigging a few pulleys than using one of those as heavy and slow as they are. I can see needing a hoist to raise the kegs -up- but a ramp would be plenty for bringing them -down-. No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in place. Harry K |
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 13:10:46 -0700, Harry K wrote:
satellite_chris wrote: I have to unload four 50L kegs in two weeks in a single session which is rough on the back. It has nothing to do with being too weak, it is a matter of being cautious about the situation. I herniated a disc in my back last year after the same party which I assume was directly related to the lifting and lowering of four kegs from the pickup bed and then the lifting up and over the hieght of chest freezer and then lowering down. One false move with your back or legs and you can open yourself up to serious injury with even less than 160lbs no matter how strong you are. Normally I have one or two kegs to unload at a time with a month or two inbetween, but once a year I have four and for that day I would rather make it as pain free as possible. I already have the chain hoist for something I rigged up in the basement to raise them up above the height of the kegerator (chest freezer conversion) and then roll the freezer underneath and lower. I figured I might as well leaverage what I have to make the operation as painless as possible. I could do something with a ramp but if the trussess are strong enough to handle the downward load, then I would like to take an approach that seems to guarantee no injury to me or the precious nectar inside the keg. Plus I like fooling with stuff and thought it is just a cool thing to have if it is safe on the home. No, I wouldn't make a practice of regularly lifting 160 pounds (don't know if I still could anyhow). I was loading/unloading full 55 gal fuel drums from farm trucks back when I was young and stupid using nothing but a ramp. No lifting involved except for uprighting the drum when it was in place. How old are you guys? 80? 90? And here I thought I was getting out of shape because I was getting pooped after lifting 8 or 10 200-300 lb. chunks of oak onto my truck after spending the morning cutting it, unloading it and going back to do it again after lunch...and I'm a 6'2" 140 lb. bean-pole. I must be in better shape than I thought for a nearly 50 fart with an involuntary medical retirement from the army. {G} -- Falcon's Rest Zymurgical Alchemy First Inter-Galactic Guild House Of The Brotherhood Of St. Cathode Of Anode |
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