hmmm possible to buy quality wire labels as Kroy with numbering on the labels

peel off label 0001A and affix, write down what 0001A is in the book.

write down where book is....

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On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:43:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

hmmm possible to buy quality wire labels as Kroy with numbering on the labels
peel off label 0001A and affix, write down what 0001A is in the book.
write down where book is....

I did that at one office building:
Befo
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/Phone%20Room%20Before.html
After:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/Phone%20Room%20After.html
Well, that photo was before I labeled everything. The problem was
that it only worked as long as I was personally doing the wiring. When
the phone, alarm, sprinkler, cable company, self-installers, etc
arrived, they made a huge mess. Asking Ma Bell to "tag" their work
seemed to be like asking the installer to perform an un-natural act. I
gave up.

Well, if you want quality and a permanent label, I suggest a Kingsley
(Norwood) hot stamp machine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcjwVgQNqTg
https://www.itwnorwood.com

If that's not good enough, there are laser wire warker machines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k81ISpP2pc4

or maybe an ink sprayer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNyfFnKWaJ0
You can also use it to apply fake tatoos.


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Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 11:16:26 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2016 17:43:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

hmmm possible to buy quality wire labels as Kroy with numbering on the labels
peel off label 0001A and affix, write down what 0001A is in the book.
write down where book is....

I did that at one office building:
Befo
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/Phone%20Room%20Before.html
After:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/Phone%20Room%20After.html
Well, that photo was before I labeled everything. The problem was
that it only worked as long as I was personally doing the wiring. When
the phone, alarm, sprinkler, cable company, self-installers, etc
arrived, they made a huge mess. Asking Ma Bell to "tag" their work
seemed to be like asking the installer to perform an un-natural act. I
gave up.

Well, if you want quality and a permanent label, I suggest a Kingsley
(Norwood) hot stamp machine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcjwVgQNqTg
https://www.itwnorwood.com

If that's not good enough, there are laser wire warker machines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k81ISpP2pc4

or maybe an ink sprayer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNyfFnKWaJ0
You can also use it to apply fake tatoos.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

nice work Dude !

I should bring the van by .....I could buy you dinner....

ok but is there a spool of wire markers FACTORY NUMBERED where the prenumberd wire larker is peeled off n applied to GROUND REAR BACK UP LAMP

the I would record that wire marker 0001B as 'Ground rear....

in the wiring records book

this would appear more mil spec as the factory would produce the entire rig print glue covering.

On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:07:11 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I should bring the van by .....I could buy you dinner....

Forget it. I'm on a diet of sorts.

ok but is there a spool of wire markers FACTORY NUMBERED where the
prenumberd wire larker is peeled off n applied to GROUND REAR
BACK UP LAMP

Nope. You either mark the wire yourself, or pay someone with a
machine to do it for you.

the I would record that wire marker 0001B as 'Ground rear....
in the wiring records book

It probably doesn't matter what numbers you put on the wires as long
as you can identify the wires. So, tow your van down to the nearest
electronic surplus store and dig through the rolls of surplus wire.
Most of the stuff is aerospace overstock where the wires are marked
and can't be re-used with a different marking. Such pre-marked wires
are generally considered useless or ugly, which shouldn't matter much
for your application.

this would appear more mil spec as the factory would produce the
entire rig print glue covering.

It depends on how many wires you want to mark. I can't imagine your
recumbent needing very many wires. A vinyl label maker and clear tape
should suffice.

If you don't care about the mess you're sure to make, I suggest
getting some silk screening mesh, mask off everything except what you
want to print, and screen the text with ink and a squeegee. It's
kinda tricky to do on anything that's not flat, but still possible.

If you really don't care about making a mess, you could just color
code the wire. Or just buy white PVC wire and color your own cables
with solvent based dyes:
http://makezine.com/projects/make-30/stain-pvc-any-color-you-like/

However, if you want to go high tech and do it thyself, it might be
fun to build wire marker from a UV laser and an x-y table. Wire
marking lasers use excimer or solid state (Nd:YAG) 200 to 350nm UV
lasers. A 450nm blue laser will also sorta work. These lasers are
not cheap, but can be found used and abused. Anything about 1.5 watts
or more depending on how fast you want to scribble. Get a CNC
controlled x-y table, add the laser, and blast away.
http://www.ebay.com/bhp/cnc-laser
Don't forget the safety equipment, glasses, interlocks, insurance,
fire extinguisher, etc.


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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

anarchy or regimentation ?

I'll need more digging. Yawl machine guys...pop...pop...pop...pop...

as the wiremen complained of...

a wire tie rig seems dated from a loose tube adhesived off the wire's diameter...

a hangup ...as I've not seen...is plastics vs street level marking chemicals.

vinyl is difficult...immediately look to a fabric adhesived marker with suitable ink. Not UL but we have an extinguisher handy.

synthetic clothing is markable ...with p[potato squeezoin's

we'll be back after the commercial

On Sat, 14 May 2016 18:02:47 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

vinyl is difficult.

Vinyl is easy, if the glue is any good. The better glues contain a
small amount of MEK or other solvent. MEK disolves both the vinyl and
the PVC wire insulation slightly, which causes a permanent solvent
weld. The catch is that it has a limited shelf life because the MEK
is rather volatile. If you want to make your own permanent stick
labels, just slop ONE tiny drop of dilluted MEK onto the wire
insulation and wrap the vinyl label over it. You'll need to hold it
in place until the MEK evaporates, or your fingers dissolve. It's
quite permanent, toxic, messy, nasty, smelly, hazardous, and
dangerous, but those are minor considerations when you're engaged in
the important task of attaching permanent wire labels. Also, be sure
to wash your hands before touching anything that has been painted
because the residual MEK in your skin pores will leave your
fingerprints everywhere. That's bad because you wouldn't want anyone
to know who made the mess.

Immediately look to a fabric adhesived marker with
suitable ink. Not UL but we have an extinguisher handy.

Fabric label tend to absorb liquids and vapors. I've used fabric wire
labels and find them lacking. It's not unusual to find a wire closet
with all the wire labels sitting on floor. Brady Wire Markers
switched from cotton cloth to vinyl cloth some time ago. I haven't
tried those yet.
https://www.bradyid.com/en-us/products/labels-and-tapes/labels/wire-and-cable-labels/wire-and-cable-books-and-cards/wire-and-cable-label-books#
The bad news is that they're expensive and the cloth labels are
"repositionable" which means they'll fall off without assistance.

synthetic clothing is markable ...with p[potato squeezoin's

Cloth insulated wire? I don't think that will work.

we'll be back after the commercial

I don't watch commercial TV any more. These days, it's streaming
video via Netflix, YouTube, CuriosityStream, Hulu, and such with zero
commercials. I haven't seen a commerical on TV in years.

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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558