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Glue for repairing wall warts and laptop batteries?
Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries.
I'd normally glue them back together with the stuff used for plastic plumbing. But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I have no idea what type the plastic is. Looking for a recommendation that you have actually used successfully. I really don't want to unplug the wall wart and find myself with a handful of AC when the lid comes off. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:31:28 -0700, mike wrote:
But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. Try removing the air with one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Ziploc-Vacuum-Starter-3-Quart-1-Pump/dp/B003UEMFUG I'll admit that I haven't tried doing this, but I've been thinking about it for fixing the same problem with rubber cement. Try it and report back. So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I have no idea what type the plastic is. Nope. The brittle glues, like cyanoacrylate adhesive will crack and you'll have a potential shock hazard. I've done so-so with the rubbery RTV adhesives (not caulk), but they tend to be messy. They also have a short shelf life. Even if you don't open the tube, 1 year maximum is the mfg recommendation. Looking for a recommendation that you have actually used successfully. Solvent welding works. You'll need a syringe applicator to keep from making a mess. Also, lots of ventillation and gloves. Most of the plastic cases are ABS but a few are polycarbonate. My solvent of choice is methyl chloride, also known as paint stripper, which will work with most thermosetting plastics. For just ABS, straight acetone, or some plastic scrap dissolved in acetone works well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIV0XVkkPE Lots of other YouTube videos on plastic welding. Your existing pipe glue is a solvent with some thin plastic filler. The problem is that it's rather weak to prevent softening the pipe if overused. I really don't want to unplug the wall wart and find myself with a handful of AC when the lid comes off. Get a sticker that says: "No user serviceable parts inside". -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 4/28/2015 5:25 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:31:28 -0700, mike wrote: But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. Try removing the air with one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Ziploc-Vacuum-Starter-3-Quart-1-Pump/dp/B003UEMFUG I'll admit that I haven't tried doing this, but I've been thinking about it for fixing the same problem with rubber cement. Try it and report back. So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I have no idea what type the plastic is. Nope. The brittle glues, like cyanoacrylate adhesive will crack and you'll have a potential shock hazard. I've done so-so with the rubbery RTV adhesives (not caulk), but they tend to be messy. They also have a short shelf life. Even if you don't open the tube, 1 year maximum is the mfg recommendation. Looking for a recommendation that you have actually used successfully. Solvent welding works. You'll need a syringe applicator to keep from making a mess. Also, lots of ventillation and gloves. Most of the plastic cases are ABS but a few are polycarbonate. My solvent of choice is methyl chloride, also known as paint stripper, which will work with most thermosetting plastics. For just ABS, straight acetone, or some plastic scrap dissolved in acetone works well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIV0XVkkPE Lots of other YouTube videos on plastic welding. Your existing pipe glue is a solvent with some thin plastic filler. The problem is that it's rather weak to prevent softening the pipe if overused. I really don't want to unplug the wall wart and find myself with a handful of AC when the lid comes off. Get a sticker that says: "No user serviceable parts inside". Thanks for the link. I'll try the acetone. For today's fix, I took the hot air rework pencil out to the garage. Heated the seam with 360C air and pinched it together with tweezers to melt it all together. Doesn't look pretty, but I can't break it apart, so guess it works. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:48:18 -0700, mike wrote:
For today's fix, I took the hot air rework pencil out to the garage. Heated the seam with 360C air and pinched it together with tweezers to melt it all together. Doesn't look pretty, but I can't break it apart, so guess it works. Yep. It's called "plastic welding". My hot air SMD desoldering tool (Saeke 852D+) produces far too wide a heat affected zone with the standard tips. For big pieces of plastic, such as case parts, it works, but not for small and thin parts like battery and wall wart cases. I also like to work from the back of the plastic part, so as not to make the cosmetic side look bad. That's impossible with batteries and wall warts. I get best results with a tiny tip, high heat, very low air flow, and working fast. As always, there are YouTube videos on plastic welding. This might offer a clue: http://www.harborfreight.com/welding/plastic-welders.html Note the tiny tip and low air flow. I guess I should mention that I tried a narrow nozzle on my heat gun that is normally used for shrink tube. Since I had little control over temperature or air flow, my first attempt blew a hole through the plastic parts. Not recommended. I forgot to mumble something about the horrors of polyurethane welding. Unlike ABS and PVC, polyurethane is a themosetting plastic, instead of thermoplastic. That means it burns when heated, instead of melting. The fix is to not let oxygen anywhere near the joint by using nitrogen to displace the oxygen. I modified my hot air SMD rework tool to work this way and found that my reflow soldering somewhat improved. See Item #7 at: http://www.hakkousa.com/leadfree.asp Typical automotive plastic welder that uses nitrogen: http://prospot.com/products/np-3/ (See speed welding tip) You probably won't run into the thermosetting problem, or need nitrogen, but it's a good thing to know. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 3:32:21 PM UTC-7, mike wrote:
Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries. I'd normally glue them back together with the stuff used for plastic plumbing. But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. Get the clear liquid solvent weld glue sold in glass bottles and with an applicator brush in the screw-on cap at hobby shops and electronics parts supplies, like Testor's #3502 or "TV Radio Cement". They usually work better than lacquer thinner or carburetor/throttle body cleaner. They also have a much longer shelf life than PVC pipe glue. |
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:31:28 -0700, mike wrote:
So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I would try a glue for plastic model kits http://www.revell.de/en/products/col...e-co/glue.html |
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En el artículo , mike
escribió: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. This is a better method than cutting, because it doesn't wreck the seam, and re-gluing with superglue will be successful as the maximum contact area between the two halves will have been preserved. -- :: je suis Charlie :: yo soy Charlie :: ik ben Charlie :: |
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On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , mike escribió: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. This is a better method than cutting, because it doesn't wreck the seam, and re-gluing with superglue will be successful as the maximum contact area between the two halves will have been preserved. |
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mike wrote:
On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. |
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On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote:
mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:20:59 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. That work, sometimes. These 2wire power supplies, and about 10 more, all came apart with only a gentle tapping: http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/repair/slides/2Wire-power-supplies.html However, the new and improved model power supply from the same vendor could probably survive an attack with explosives. I couldn't tell if it was solvent welded or ultrasonically welded, but it certainly didn't want to come apart. Sorry, no photos of the mess I made with a hacksaw. I'm partial to the bench vise method of case cracking. If that fails, I escalate to beating on it with a hammer. If that also fails, I beat on the seperation line with a concrete chisel. http://www.toolup.com/product-images/dasco-437-0_1.jpg Last resort, I saw it open with a hacksaw. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote:
On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. |
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mike wrote:
Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries. I'd normally glue them back together with the stuff used for plastic plumbing. But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I have no idea what type the plastic is. The trick is to use a large wrench to tighten the PVC cement lid down. You don't use a lot of gripping force, or it will crush the lid. But, you use a big wrench so you can get a solid grip on the knurled cap. I've done this for years, and my PVC cement usually lasts a couple years before drying out. You WILL need the wrench to get it open the next time, though. Jon |
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:19:26 -0700, mike wrote:
RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. Yep. 1 year at best. One part RTV cures by the action of atmospheric water (humidity) on acetoxysilane to form acetic acid. All it takes is a little water in either a porous container or lousy cap fit, and you have a guaranteed limited shelf life. I've tried vacuum sealed bags over rubber cement, silicone, and some smelly solvents, with generally good results. Whether it's worth the effort is debateable. You can also get two part RTV. The most common types are rubber casting compound and high cure rate production line adhesives commonly used in appliance assembly. For example: https://www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/80-3375.pdf The problem is that these don't have any better shelf life than the one part RTV, about 1 year. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. You can get non-acetic acid RTV, also known as non-corrosive silicone. https://www.google.com/search?q=non-corrosive+silicone+adhesive&tbm=isch This might be enlightening: http://yarchive.net/electr/silicone_sealant_corrosiveness.html -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 29/04/15 08:31, mike wrote:
Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries. Looking for a recommendation that you have actually used successfully. I've had good success with the glue that's sold for repairing swimming pool vinyl liners. Seems to last quite a while in the tube too. Clifford Heath. |
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mike wrote:
On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote: On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. The RTV type 2 stuff smells like alcohol, not acetic acid. I just make sure to get a tube that has a good cap that won't clog up and can be resealed nicely. The GE branded stuff in plastic tube works well. The last tube had to be around $4 at home depot. |
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On 5/1/2015 10:35 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote: On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. The RTV type 2 stuff smells like alcohol, not acetic acid. I just make sure to get a tube that has a good cap that won't clog up and can be resealed nicely. The GE branded stuff in plastic tube works well. The last tube had to be around $4 at home depot. Got a part number? The GE Silicone II seems to say, non-corrosive, but there are additives for mildew resistance and color change while curing etc. that may or may not be good for electronics. There's a zillion choices with very little info. Some of the stuff says, "use on aluminum, copper, stainless...", but when you finally find spec, it's acetic acid based. Still, all the ones I've found that actually say, "safe for electronics" are $30 for a 3oz. tube, 99% of which I'm gonna watch harden in the tube. An actual part number for a product you've actually used successfully on electronics would be helpful...until they change the formula...sigh... |
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Glue for repairing wall warts and laptop batteries?
On Fri, 1 May 2015, mike wrote:
On 5/1/2015 10:35 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote: On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. The RTV type 2 stuff smells like alcohol, not acetic acid. I just make sure to get a tube that has a good cap that won't clog up and can be resealed nicely. The GE branded stuff in plastic tube works well. The last tube had to be around $4 at home depot. Got a part number? The GE Silicone II seems to say, non-corrosive, but there are additives for mildew resistance and color change while curing etc. that may or may not be good for electronics. There's a zillion choices with very little info. Some of the stuff says, "use on aluminum, copper, stainless...", but when you finally find spec, it's acetic acid based. Still, all the ones I've found that actually say, "safe for electronics" are $30 for a 3oz. tube, 99% of which I'm gonna watch harden in the tube. An actual part number for a product you've actually used successfully on electronics would be helpful...until they change the formula...sigh... I realize some of the problem is in the curing, and in a tight space some of what dissipates during curing may cause problems to metallic components. But there has to be a distinction between glopping this stuff over electronic components to insulate them (or hide them away so the competition can't see what you're doing) and sealing up the casing. The former seems very finicky, the latter less so. But I don't know how much less so. Michael |
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On 5/1/2015 4:49 PM, Michael Black wrote:
On Fri, 1 May 2015, mike wrote: On 5/1/2015 10:35 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote: On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. The RTV type 2 stuff smells like alcohol, not acetic acid. I just make sure to get a tube that has a good cap that won't clog up and can be resealed nicely. The GE branded stuff in plastic tube works well. The last tube had to be around $4 at home depot. Got a part number? The GE Silicone II seems to say, non-corrosive, but there are additives for mildew resistance and color change while curing etc. that may or may not be good for electronics. There's a zillion choices with very little info. Some of the stuff says, "use on aluminum, copper, stainless...", but when you finally find spec, it's acetic acid based. Still, all the ones I've found that actually say, "safe for electronics" are $30 for a 3oz. tube, 99% of which I'm gonna watch harden in the tube. An actual part number for a product you've actually used successfully on electronics would be helpful...until they change the formula...sigh... I realize some of the problem is in the curing, and in a tight space some of what dissipates during curing may cause problems to metallic components. But there has to be a distinction between glopping this stuff over electronic components to insulate them (or hide them away so the competition can't see what you're doing) and sealing up the casing. The former seems very finicky, the latter less so. But I don't know how much less so. Michael Back in the day, I built a pirate TV receiver. Sealed the box with household caulk. About a month later, it quit working. Opened it up and youda thunk it had been under seawater for years. Corrosion everywhere. Had to trash it and start over. |
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mike wrote:
On 5/1/2015 10:35 AM, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 1:53 PM, John-Del wrote: On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 3:21:02 PM UTC-4, Cydrome Leader wrote: mike wrote: On 4/29/2015 4:40 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote: En el art?culo , mike escribi?: So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? Superglue (cyanoacrylate) works well for me, but don't buy the cheap stuff. Superglue scares me for something that can electrocute me. Works great when it sticks, but doesn't stick well to some plastics. When I'm fumbling around in the dark under the desk, I really, really want the wall wart to come out in one piece. Getting the wall-wart apart neatly is an art form in itself. I use a bench vice (with protectors if the vice jaws are serrated) and try the wall wart in various positions, tightening the vice to probe for the weakest part of the joint. Once you get the seam separated at one point, the rest is easy to gently crack open. I've never had much luck with that. End up tearing the plastic instead of separating the joint. I use a wood chisel to whack the seam sharply. Splits nicely, but does break a lot of the overlapping plastic. With the plumbing pipe glue, I can get it back together with reasonable aesthetics. It takes time, but I read on a newgroup you can hold the power supply and just beat on it with a hammer all around the edges over and over again and it will split open, like a nut. It does work. I told the power supply in fluffy glove and whack at it with a small hammer. All the little whacks crack the welds inside. Everything pieces together nicely with no stretched or deformed parts like you get if you chisel, cut or pry thing thing open. The tough things like laptop power supplies will open up this way if you have several minutes. Some come apart easily, and some will never come apart without a lot of effort. Those that appear to be really welded together are the ones I'll just zip down with a Dremel and cut-off wheel (making sure to not go too deep). If fixed, I'll either run some solvent in the seam if it came apart cleanly, or stuff it with RTV and rubber band it for 24 hours. BTW, you can make a nice RTV seam by wetting your finger with oil (or spit) and wipe it down to a smooth shiny fill. RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. The RTV type 2 stuff smells like alcohol, not acetic acid. I just make sure to get a tube that has a good cap that won't clog up and can be resealed nicely. The GE branded stuff in plastic tube works well. The last tube had to be around $4 at home depot. Got a part number? The GE Silicone II seems to say, non-corrosive, but there are additives for mildew resistance and color change while curing etc. that may or may not be good for electronics. There's a zillion choices with very little info. Some of the stuff says, "use on aluminum, copper, stainless...", but when you finally find spec, it's acetic acid based. I just use this stuff- it's cheap and has a nice nozzle and no threads to get gunked up after the first use. NO oozing messes like with metal squeeze tubes either. http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Silico...-3TG/100179996 It's the type II stuff, so no acetic acid. There are "aquarium" grade silicones, but they all use acetic acid. I've also used Permatex "blue" RTV gasket sealant. It's packed with some additive to give it strength, it's also the non-acetic acid based stuff. Never used either on sealed electronics though. Cap makers always warn to stay away from halogens, so plastic welding solvents may be bad news for closing up power supplies. All that stuff is ultrasonically welded at the factory, so they never have to worry about drying times and stuff like that. Hell, plain old superglue will probably work fine if you clamp the shells together under some pressure while it all dries. It's cheap and there's quite a bit of surface to be joined so the strength should be excellent. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2015 15:59:29 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
wrote: I just use this stuff- it's cheap and has a nice nozzle and no threads to get gunked up after the first use. NO oozing messes like with metal squeeze tubes either. http://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-Silico...-3TG/100179996 Good stuff, but not perfect. See Silicone II on the chart at the bottom of the page: http://yarchive.net/electr/silicone_sealant_corrosiveness.html Hell, plain old superglue will probably work fine if you clamp the shells together under some pressure while it all dries. It's cheap and there's quite a bit of surface to be joined so the strength should be excellent. Cyanoacrylates (super glue) is very brittle which doesn't work on flexible plastics, which includes some wall warts. I've glued them in spots around the perimeter, only to have the case pop open when I dropped the wall wart on the floor. I suspect more glue would be better, but have never tried it. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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Cyanoacrylates (super glue) is very brittle which doesn't work on
flexible plastics, which includes some wall warts. I've glued them in spots around the perimeter, only to have the case pop open when I dropped the wall wart on the floor. I suspect more glue would be better, but have never tried it. There are "toughened" cyanoacrylates which are supposed to be better about this... the ones I've seen apparently include some extremely fine rubber particles or other fillers. Most of the big glue manufacturers seem to sell one variant or another of this. |
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On Wed, 06 May 2015 13:08:05 -0700, Dave Platt wrote:
Cyanoacrylates (super glue) is very brittle which doesn't work on flexible plastics, which includes some wall warts. I've glued them in spots around the perimeter, only to have the case pop open when I dropped the wall wart on the floor. I suspect more glue would be better, but have never tried it. There are "toughened" cyanoacrylates which are supposed to be better about this... the ones I've seen apparently include some extremely fine rubber particles or other fillers. Most of the big glue manufacturers seem to sell one variant or another of this. I haven't spotted any mention of hot-melt glue guns - not suitable? Mike. |
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On 5/6/2015 2:11 PM, Mike wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2015 13:08:05 -0700, Dave Platt wrote: Cyanoacrylates (super glue) is very brittle which doesn't work on flexible plastics, which includes some wall warts. I've glued them in spots around the perimeter, only to have the case pop open when I dropped the wall wart on the floor. I suspect more glue would be better, but have never tried it. There are "toughened" cyanoacrylates which are supposed to be better about this... the ones I've seen apparently include some extremely fine rubber particles or other fillers. Most of the big glue manufacturers seem to sell one variant or another of this. I haven't spotted any mention of hot-melt glue guns - not suitable? Mike. I've not had much luck. Hard to get it spread around before it gets too cold. Doesn't stick well to smooth plastic. Might be interesting to roughen the surface, lay it on thin, assemble, then reheat with a heat gun. My plastic welding experiment seems to be plenty strong with just four patches, one in each corner. I put a tie wrap around it just in case. |
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On Wed, 6 May 2015, Mike wrote:
On Wed, 06 May 2015 13:08:05 -0700, Dave Platt wrote: Cyanoacrylates (super glue) is very brittle which doesn't work on flexible plastics, which includes some wall warts. I've glued them in spots around the perimeter, only to have the case pop open when I dropped the wall wart on the floor. I suspect more glue would be better, but have never tried it. There are "toughened" cyanoacrylates which are supposed to be better about this... the ones I've seen apparently include some extremely fine rubber particles or other fillers. Most of the big glue manufacturers seem to sell one variant or another of this. I haven't spotted any mention of hot-melt glue guns - not suitable? That's really good for a lot of things, but the hot glue can run again if it gets too hot, so it might not be suitable here. I used it for something, and was fine, then one day noticed it was no longer doing its job, the glue had melted. On the other hand, that's a value for some things, you can melt the glue and rearrange things. I had a good halogen lamp from Ikea that used an external AC adapter. It went bad one time, if I recall there was fuse in there. So I had to open it up. WHen I put it back to gether, I used epoxy, which is kind of messy, and relatively permenent. But it still holds. Michael |
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On Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 6:32:21 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:
Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries. I'd normally glue them back together with the stuff used for plastic plumbing. I open up those wall warts every now and then. When I've finished doing whatever it was that I opened them up for, I put them back together with contact cement and dental floss. The contact cement goes on the seams. Then I wrap the two halves with about six windings of dental floss and tie the loose ends in a knot You won't be able to pull the two halves apart. Dental floss is pretty strong stuff. Think: how many strands of dental floss would be needed for you to support your weight were you to hang, with a gloved hand, from a tree limb or football goalpost? Not that many. |
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I have used GC Electronics Service Cement successfully.
Plastic Weld by Plastruct works well too. Dan |
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On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 10:40:25 PM UTC-4, Jon Elson wrote:
mike wrote: Been fixing wall warts and laptop batteries. I'd normally glue them back together with the stuff used for plastic plumbing. But the stuff has a short shelf life after opening and I waste 90% of it. Every time I try to use it, the can contents is solid. I spend $4 on a can of glue to fix a 25-cent wall wart. So, Is there a glue that works well holding wall warts back together and has a long shelf life? I have no idea what type the plastic is. The trick is to use a large wrench to tighten the PVC cement lid down. You don't use a lot of gripping force, or it will crush the lid. But, you use a big wrench so you can get a solid grip on the knurled cap. I've done this for years, and my PVC cement usually lasts a couple years before drying out. You WILL need the wrench to get it open the next time, though. Jon pump wrench http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v1/144...ump_Wrench.jpg cut a square of Walmart grocery bag, pierce a mid hole if the cap has a brush.. cover can with bag square so threads are covered screw lid on then tweak threads tight with pump wrench. comes apart with pump wrench. store wrench in cool place. what's a wall wart ? I repair lead separation on charger units with liquid electrical tape. Splint the wire n cover area with tape goooo. Grainger has the good stuff. Handy shelf barnacle |
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On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 10:51:28 PM UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 19:19:26 -0700, mike wrote: RTV has the same shelf life problem. And it's GAWD awful expensive. Yep. 1 year at best. One part RTV cures by the action of atmospheric water (humidity) on acetoxysilane to form acetic acid. All it takes is a little water in either a porous container or lousy cap fit, and you have a guaranteed limited shelf life. I've tried vacuum sealed bags over rubber cement, silicone, and some smelly solvents, with generally good results. Whether it's worth the effort is debateable. You can also get two part RTV. The most common types are rubber casting compound and high cure rate production line adhesives commonly used in appliance assembly. For example: https://www.dowcorning.com/content/publishedlit/80-3375.pdf The problem is that these don't have any better shelf life than the one part RTV, about 1 year. All the stuff I've found at reasonable prices or at the hardware store exude acetic acid. You can get non-acetic acid RTV, also known as non-corrosive silicone. https://www.google.com/search?q=non-corrosive+silicone+adhesive&tbm=isch This might be enlightening: http://yarchive.net/electr/silicone_sealant_corrosiveness.html -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 use the bag. roll up the tube bottom when using just like on TV forcing the air out, place small bag square over outlet then screw cap just so before closing while squeezing the bottom of tube at the rollup focing last air out while snuuging the cap down tight. I split caps...keep a box of spares with the paint nozzles and bag ties |
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2015 15:47:43 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
what's a wall wart ? https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=wall+wart A large one is a "power brick": https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=power+brick -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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