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Sommer****** is a TROLL
"Phil Allison" wrote in message
... "William Sommer******" ** Bill - you are just another boring usenet ******, a TROLL and a complete ****wit. D R O P DEAD My arrows must be hitting their mark, if I am requested to decease. * You can always spot the really stupid ones -- they poke fun at my name. * Have you ever noticed "deceased" is self-contradictory? A "deceased" person would be someone who's come back to life. |
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Arfa Daily = MORONIC TROLL
Even his blow-up sheep are ignoring him.
To change the subject... That reminds me of what was arguably Karnak's best "reading". Karnak (holding envelope to head): "Sis. Boom. Bah." (opening envelope) "What is the sound of an exploding sheep?" |
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Sommer****** is a TROLL
"William Sommer******" ** Bill - you are just another boring, NARCISSISTIC usenet ******, a TROLL and a complete ****wit. Get cancer and ****ing DIE |
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Arfa Daily = MORONIC TROLL
"Mark Zacharias" ** Lumps of autistic, sub human **** like YOU are a dime a dozen. And the cause of ALL the trouble on this planet. ...... Phil |
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Sommer****** is a TROLL
On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:31:29 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:
"William Sommer******" ** Bill - you are just another boring, NARCISSISTIC usenet ******, a TROLL and a complete ****wit. Get cancer and ****ing DIE How about wishing death upon me? Am I not good enough anymore? -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Thoughts ?
On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:15:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:
I haven't any background experience to make suggestions, but this perplexing circuit you're seeing sounds a like the schematic I looked at for the *Peavey Mace A* series (6, 6L6GC output tubes). That's sounds like how the schematic was drawn, although I haven't see the actual circuit layout of that model.. separate resistors were used for each tube of one pair.. then another pair was wired direct, while the third pair had 2 more separate resistors shown between those pairs (appearing like the 2 resistors were wired in series between those 2 pairs). There seem to be numerous similarities in many PV amp model schematics of the power output sections, but then some specific oddities in a couple of models' schematics that look out of place (to me, anyway). One thing that I have discovered recently, is that there are a huge number of PV amp users, and lots of forum discussions about many modifications (some that have produced results, and some that don't) and also repairs. You're probably already aware that many forum discussions wrt electronic circuits can include unintentional errors and/or other misleading info (this mod I came up with is the ultimate! for example), so that much of the forum info needs to be pondered and then either accepted or rejected by one's better judgement and/or experience.. and compared to the rule: if it werks, don't **** with it. As I've only recently started dabbling in this area, I've noticed one thing that's prevalent.. practially every component in/on guitars and amps have been tampered with and replaced, and the majority of reports of the actors claim that the acts produce amazing results. I own a 1975 PV Artist 1x15". I bought it back in the mid 80's. PV didn't deviate much from this design in their later years. I also own a PV MX - VTX 1x12". Again not much change as for PV the apple never seems to fall far from the tree. My current guitar amp config is a PV Tube Fex FX/stereo preamp into a Studiomaster 700D. That sits on top a PV 4x12" cabinet wired in stereo. Two stock PV 12's and two Jackson (red cone) 12's. I got the cabinet for a song and a dance and it sounds as good as any Marshall 1960 cabinet I've ever played through. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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Sommer****** is a TROLL
Get cancer and ****ing DIE
How about wishing death upon me? Am I not good enough anymore? You're going to have to come up with a remark that really strikes home. I lucked out. |
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On Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:16:30 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote:
Get cancer and ****ing DIE How about wishing death upon me? Am I not good enough anymore? You're going to have to come up with a remark that really strikes home. I lucked out. Phil is unpredictable in his lashing out. Sometimes the slightest thing sets him off. Last year he said I should die by a shotgun. I just wondered if his feelings have changed. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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Arfa Daily = MORONIC TROLL
William Sommerwerck wrote: ? Even his blow-up sheep are ignoring him. To change the subject... That reminds me of what was arguably Karnak's best "reading". Karnak (holding envelope to head): "Sis. Boom. Bah." (opening envelope) "What is the sound of an exploding sheep?" Karnak always was weird. ;-) -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Arfa Daily = MORONIC TROLL
"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Charles the Puke " Until P.A. develops a reasonable command of English ** Whaaattttt ?? My command of the English language is second to none - you vile, autistic ****head. Well, there you go Phil! You re-entered the discussion and shot your own foot off. Vile means repulsive and autistic means withdrawn and ****head means you! If you ever went to school, go see them (the headmasters) and demand that your money (or that of your keepers) be returned. |
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Arfa Daily = MORONIC TROLL
Charles wrote: "Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Charles the Puke " Until P.A. develops a reasonable command of English ** Whaaattttt ?? My command of the English language is second to none - you vile, autistic ****head. Well, there you go Phil! You re-entered the discussion and shot your own foot off. Vile means repulsive and autistic means withdrawn and ****head means you! If you ever went to school, go see them (the headmasters) and demand that your money (or that of your keepers) be returned. Careful, Charles. Phil's favorite 'things' are sheep, and teachers. -- You can't fix stupid. You can't even put a Band-Aid™ on it, because it's Teflon coated. |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. I do not have a sufficiently 'musical' ear to know if the revised sound is what the owner is looking for, but it did seem to have a very sweet sound, to me. He is picking it up tomorrow morning, so I guess I should know if he's happy with it, in fairly short order ... Arfa |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
"Arfa Daily is a ****wit " So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. ** Does nothing. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. ** Ruins the amp. The cathode voltage now rises up with increasing drive level and at full drive biases the tubes almost completely off. This result is gross waveform distortion of the crossover kind - same as severely under biasing the amp. Very bad mod. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. ** So ****ing what. That is only the idle current. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. ** Utter bull****. As anyone with a functioning scope, dummy load and eyes can see. ..... Phil |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:47:24 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote:
So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. I do not have a sufficiently 'musical' ear to know if the revised sound is what the owner is looking for, but it did seem to have a very sweet sound, to me. He is picking it up tomorrow morning, so I guess I should know if he's happy with it, in fairly short order ... Arfa Tone, the sometimes elusive prey in a jungle of equipment. That's what it all boils down to. My favorite of all time combo amps is the Ampeg VT-22 loaded with a pair of Altec-Lansing 12's. It was my first 100 watter combo back in the late 70's. If you think a Twin loaded with a pair of EV SRO's is heavy lift a VT-22 with the Altecs loaded. I ended up trading it for a 1x15 PV Artist combo around 1982. Still have that old beast. I'm currently restoring a 1960's Ampeg Jet12. Uses a PP pair of EL84's for output so it's around 15 watts. Someone has replaced the original 12" Ampeg speaker with a Vox. It's not much to look at but it's one of those amps that are known for their tone. I've owned it for a decade. One of those projects you eventually get to. Hope your customer likes the mods. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 14:23:48 +1100, Phil Allison wrote:
"Phil Allison is a ****wit Troll " We all agree. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Arfa Daily is a ****wit " So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. ** Does nothing. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. ** Ruins the amp. The cathode voltage now rises up with increasing drive level and at full drive biases the tubes almost completely off. This result is gross waveform distortion of the crossover kind - same as severely under biasing the amp. Very bad mod. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. ** So ****ing what. That is only the idle current. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. ** Utter bull****. As anyone with a functioning scope, dummy load and eyes can see. .... Phil I have a functioning scope, and a functioning generator, and a functioning dummy load, and a functioning power meter, and functioning eyes, and contrary to what you believe, it most certainly did not distort in any way, least of all in a "crossover kind" of way, up to full output stage drive. So it just goes to show what you (don't) know. And far from "ruining the amp", the owner is actually delighted with it. Before taking it away, he spent a good half hour here playing into it, and I can assure you that he is not some kid who doesn't know a transistor amp from a valve amp from a megaphone. He was actually a very accomplished musician, and I would take his opinion of the sound of the amp over your surmised one, any day. In fact, about 3 hours after he took it back home, he contacted me again to say that he had only just stopped playing into it, because his fingers hurt, and that there was no comparison to the way it originally sounded. I'm sure that you will want to come back with another tirade of ill-considered expletives, but don't waste your time, Philip. I really don't actually care what you think or believe ... Arfa |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
"Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 02:47:24 +0000, Arfa Daily wrote: So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. I do not have a sufficiently 'musical' ear to know if the revised sound is what the owner is looking for, but it did seem to have a very sweet sound, to me. He is picking it up tomorrow morning, so I guess I should know if he's happy with it, in fairly short order ... Arfa Tone, the sometimes elusive prey in a jungle of equipment. That's what it all boils down to. My favorite of all time combo amps is the Ampeg VT-22 loaded with a pair of Altec-Lansing 12's. It was my first 100 watter combo back in the late 70's. If you think a Twin loaded with a pair of EV SRO's is heavy lift a VT-22 with the Altecs loaded. I ended up trading it for a 1x15 PV Artist combo around 1982. Still have that old beast. I'm currently restoring a 1960's Ampeg Jet12. Uses a PP pair of EL84's for output so it's around 15 watts. Someone has replaced the original 12" Ampeg speaker with a Vox. It's not much to look at but it's one of those amps that are known for their tone. I've owned it for a decade. One of those projects you eventually get to. Hope your customer likes the mods. He does. See my other post Arfa |
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"Arfa Daily is a ****wit "
So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. ** Does nothing. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. ** Ruins the amp. The cathode voltage now rises up with increasing drive level and at full drive biases the tubes almost completely off. This result is gross waveform distortion of the crossover kind - same as severely under biasing the amp. Very bad mod. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. ** So ****ing what. That is only the idle current. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. ** Utter bull****. As anyone with a functioning scope, dummy load and eyes can see. I have a functioning scope, and a functioning generator, and a functioning dummy load, and a functioning power meter, and functioning eyes, ** Do you have a functioning DC volt meter? Bother to measure the cathode voltage ?? Obviously you did NOT !!! The cathode voltage rises dramatically under increasing drive with the circuit you have installed. No brand name guitar amp has a similar mis-behaving bias circuit. And far from "ruining the amp", the owner is actually delighted with it. ** Yaaaawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..... Guitarists are congenital ****wits - especially those who come asking for wacho mods to be done. Sounds like you and this guitar playing fool are a match made in heaven. ..... Phil |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Update
"Phil Allison" wrote in message ... "Arfa Daily is a ****wit " So, today, I did the mods that the customer was asking for. The value and type of a coupling cap in the overdrive channel was changed. The input circuitry was stripped and simplified to standard Fender style - i.e. a 68k series resistor from input jack to the grid of the first 12AX7, and a 1M grid return to deck. ** Does nothing. The fixed negative bias to the grids of the output tubes was disconnected, and the injection point decked, and the cathodes were lifted from deck and returned instead via a 100 ohm 4 watt resistor, bypassed by 100uF. ** Ruins the amp. The cathode voltage now rises up with increasing drive level and at full drive biases the tubes almost completely off. This result is gross waveform distortion of the crossover kind - same as severely under biasing the amp. Very bad mod. I also put an additional 1 ohm resistor in the cathode path, so that I was able to measure the idle current of the output stage. This settled at about 130mA, or just over 30mA per tube, which was exactly what the author of the mod notes suggested it should be. ** So ****ing what. That is only the idle current. I have to say that after carrying out these mods, the amp did seem to have a much 'smoother' more Fender-like sound, and was still capable of producing pretty much its full normal output of around 30 watts. ** Utter bull****. As anyone with a functioning scope, dummy load and eyes can see. I have a functioning scope, and a functioning generator, and a functioning dummy load, and a functioning power meter, and functioning eyes, ** Do you have a functioning DC volt meter? Bother to measure the cathode voltage ?? Obviously you did NOT !!! The cathode voltage rises dramatically under increasing drive with the circuit you have installed. No brand name guitar amp has a similar mis-behaving bias circuit. And far from "ruining the amp", the owner is actually delighted with it. ** Yaaaawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn..... Guitarists are congenital ****wits - especially those who come asking for wacho mods to be done. Sounds like you and this guitar playing fool are a match made in heaven. .... Phil So, like I said. Just goes to show the **** all that you know. Let's take a look for a moment, at the Vox AC30, shall we ? One of the most famous amps using 4 x EL84 ever made. And guess what ? Cathode bias. What was it you said ? Oh yes. " No brand name guitar amp has a similar mis-behaving bias circuit." Dopey ****. Now shut your stupid mouth, Philip, and **** off. Arfa |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Thoughts ?
That looks like a nice collection of gear.. but what do you do when you want
some volume? -- Cheers, WB .............. "Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:15:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote: I own a 1975 PV Artist 1x15". I bought it back in the mid 80's. PV didn't deviate much from this design in their later years. I also own a PV MX - VTX 1x12". Again not much change as for PV the apple never seems to fall far from the tree. My current guitar amp config is a PV Tube Fex FX/stereo preamp into a Studiomaster 700D. That sits on top a PV 4x12" cabinet wired in stereo. Two stock PV 12's and two Jackson (red cone) 12's. I got the cabinet for a song and a dance and it sounds as good as any Marshall 1960 cabinet I've ever played through. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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Irony - Allison - Etiquette
Pulling some legs Phil?
Yanking some chains? Bollucks/dumbfoundness -- Cheers, WB .............. "Phil Allison" wrote in message usenet etiquette REQUIRES. |
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"Wild_Bill" ** **** off - you stinking ****WIT TROLL |
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Amusement For Recreational Use Only
That uncanny ability to incite or anger, exists only within the confines of
your small mind Phil. Go **** upwind if you can work up a stream -- Cheers, WB .............. "Phil Allison" wrote in message ... win a free ipod |
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Slightly odd output stage configuration. Thoughts ?
On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:37:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:
That looks like a nice collection of gear.. but what do you do when you want some volume? -- Cheers, WB ............. LOL! "Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:15:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote: I own a 1975 PV Artist 1x15". I bought it back in the mid 80's. PV didn't deviate much from this design in their later years. I also own a PV MX - VTX 1x12". Again not much change as for PV the apple never seems to fall far from the tree. My current guitar amp config is a PV Tube Fex FX/stereo preamp into a Studiomaster 700D. That sits on top a PV 4x12" cabinet wired in stereo. Two stock PV 12's and two Jackson (red cone) 12's. I got the cabinet for a song and a dance and it sounds as good as any Marshall 1960 cabinet I've ever played through. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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These may help..
http://www.guitarpartssite.com/Allpa...132-023-AP.htm Or, eBag item # 330463361907 -- Cheers, WB .............. "Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Wed, 02 Mar 2011 23:37:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote: That looks like a nice collection of gear.. but what do you do when you want some volume? -- Cheers, WB ............. LOL! "Meat Plow" wrote in message news On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 19:15:34 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote: I own a 1975 PV Artist 1x15". I bought it back in the mid 80's. PV didn't deviate much from this design in their later years. I also own a PV MX - VTX 1x12". Again not much change as for PV the apple never seems to fall far from the tree. My current guitar amp config is a PV Tube Fex FX/stereo preamp into a Studiomaster 700D. That sits on top a PV 4x12" cabinet wired in stereo. Two stock PV 12's and two Jackson (red cone) 12's. I got the cabinet for a song and a dance and it sounds as good as any Marshall 1960 cabinet I've ever played through. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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On Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:07:06 -0500, Wild_Bill wrote:
These may help.. http://www.guitarpartssite.com/Allpa...132-023-AP.htm Or, eBag item # 330463361907 -- Cheers, WB ............. Believe or not, there is a reason to have a lot of headroom in a SS guitar amp. I get all my sustain and crunch from the PV Tube Fex's 2 x 12AX7's. I've had several multi-fx units but that one even though its a decade or more old beats them all hands down. -- Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse |
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