On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:05 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.


No, you taking the suggestion to examine a multi use tool for the shear
action of the bolt cutters they have, and claiming some stupidity about
how cheap such a tool usually is, is what I was talking about, you
****ing idiot.. Since you are such an utter ****ing dope, I thought I
would use an easy example for you. You missed the entire premise.

Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

YOU are WRONG AGAIN! Dumb****! I am not talking about a three foot
long tool, dumbass. THey utilize a pincer operating mechanism. Not that
you could ever have a grasp of metal working methodologies.

Do you even know what a shear operation is?

**** naming a tool. DO YOU KNOW WHAT A SHEAR OPERATION IS?

I have serious doubts that you know a goddamned thing about it.


You missed all of it. Particularly since you think that flush cutting
side cutters were ever made for cutting piano wire. You are pathetic.
You know NOTHING about tools whatsoever. Your remarks in this thread
alone proves that fact.

And you've just proved any information you have comes from Google. Not
from hands on experience.

You are an IDIOT. I was building racing engines in 1970! You dumb
mother****er. I wouldn't need Google to drop your ass in the idiot bin
EVER. You get there all on your own!

Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:14:02 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

You really are one stupid ****tard.

Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:56:20 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


In other words, your still a subhuman *******.

When will your group abusing ass ever DIE! DIE! DIE!?

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:41:45 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Don't use 'all purpose tools. You really should walk past that pound
shop.

It was an example of the mechanism, dip****. It has nothing to do with
the tool suggested to examine for a dippy twit like you to understand the
concept by.

Think you're the one who needs to understand basic engineering principles.
And actually get some hands on experience before spouting your rubbish.

You're being a bit harsh, Dave.

When choosing a tool it's a good idea to consult an expert, someone
who uses the tool professionally.

He clearly knows bugger-all about cutters, but if you're looking for
the best mop for the job, Nymbecile's yer man! (or possibly woman).

On 2010-02-17, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:44:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.


Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

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In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

YOU are WRONG AGAIN! Dumb****! I am not talking about a three foot
long tool, dumbass. THey utilize a pincer operating mechanism.

So bolt cutters? The same principle as side cutters?

Not that you could ever have a grasp of metal working methodologies.

You seem to want to apply terms to whatever you feel like. Bolt cutters to
the man in the street work in the same way as side cutters.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

BTW your 'very specialized, high tensile strength wire' definition seems
to have changed somewhat...

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
Jasen Betts wrote:
Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

It certainly is as used on vintage cars, etc. High tensile stuff wouldn't
twist without breaking.

Perhaps things are different on the planet Mr Life lives on.

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On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2010-02-17, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:44:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.


Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

That pretty much covers all of it, and no, they do not use soft steel
for this purpose EVER, ANYWHERE. Anytime you get a chance, take a look
and see if you EVER see any locked fasteners and assembly where the lock
wire has rusted. You cannot. The reason is simple. Aside from the
apparent lack of aptitude to grasp the concept to begin with that some
here seem to possess.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:43:03 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Bolt cutters are the same in principle as side cutters. Do you know
anything about tools?

YOU are WRONG AGAIN! Dumb****! I am not talking about a three foot
long tool, dumbass. THey utilize a pincer operating mechanism.

So bolt cutters? The same principle as side cutters?

That is yet another place where your aptitude for the discussion is
shown to be below that which is required to understand the principles
involved.

Not that you could ever have a grasp of metal working methodologies.

You seem to want to apply terms to whatever you feel like. Bolt cutters to
the man in the street work in the same way as side cutters.

You really are an idiot. There are SEVERAL different varieties and
styles of bolt cutter, dumbass!

The ones most of you lay ****tards are aware of are the type you
describe. A lay ****tard like you could never grasp the concept of a
shear operation. You have proven that in this very thread. You have
arrived at a place that has shown you to have a competency level below
that which you claim to possess.

As long as you are in it, this discussion is meaningless. You blatant
lack of understanding of the physical realm suggests that you should go
find another forum to plow in, Plowtard.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:46:37 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.


No, YOU didn't read the site. They sell MORE than lock wire. The lock
wire, however, is stainless, idiot. Now **** off, you goddamned stubborn,
retarded twit.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

Again you prove that you did not read the very site you posted. They
sell wire. All kinds of wire. The only kind they sell that they refer
to as lock wire is stainless.

BTW your 'very specialized, high tensile strength wire' definition seems
to have changed somewhat...

Your capacity to grasp any aspect of reality hasn't. It remains firmly
slabbed in at ground level. Zero. The concrete that is holding you
there is made from your own stupidity.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:53:45 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Jasen Betts wrote:
Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

It certainly is as used on vintage cars, etc. High tensile stuff wouldn't
twist without breaking.

That is the very attribute that keeps lock wire from breaking. High
tensile strength wire resists breaking when twisted.

You are confusing tensile capacity for brittleness, which this wire
NEVER has. It is made from steel that is specifically formulated such
that it will NOT work harden.

Not that you would or could even grasp the concept, since you are
obviously unaware of what "tensile" means.

Perhaps things are different on the planet Mr Life lives on.

Perhaps you are too quick to jump on the know-it-all bandwagon, because
you don't even come close.

ALL locking wire is made from stainless or it would rust right off the
nuts and bolts it is threaded through to be locking.

Perhaps where you live folks are only aware of how to act as if they
have any grasp of physics. That sad part is that it is blatantly obvious
that you do not.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Who cares about *only* military applications?

Lock wire was common on vintage cars, etc. Still used on London Taxis up
until recently - may still be. And it is a soft iron wire which can be
twisted easily.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
You seem to want to apply terms to whatever you feel like. Bolt cutters
to the man in the street work in the same way as side cutters.

You really are an idiot. There are SEVERAL different varieties and
styles of bolt cutter, dumbass!

You really need to watch your blood pressure, pet.

Go into your local tool supplier and ask for some bolt cutters. And then
come back here.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I
provided for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really
need to get out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck
in.


No, YOU didn't read the site. They sell MORE than lock wire. The lock
wire, however, is stainless, idiot. Now **** off, you goddamned stubborn,
retarded twit.

And I gave you credit for being able to read. Get your momma to read it
pout to you. It's plain enough. No matter how much you dribble.

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In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

Again you prove that you did not read the very site you posted. They
sell wire. All kinds of wire. The only kind they sell that they refer
to as lock wire is stainless.

Sigh. Let me cut and paste the relevant bit:-

*********


Safety Lock Wire


We supply high quality safety lock wire for use in the Aerospace Industry.
Our aircraft safety lock wire conforms to ASTM, MS and AN specifications
is available in our unique handy dispensing can. Safety lockwire is
available in a wide variety of materials including: brass wire, aluminum
wire, copper wire and stainless steel wire.

*********


Now surely even you can read that? There aren't any really difficult words
in it.



BTW your 'very specialized, high tensile strength wire' definition seems
to have changed somewhat...

Your capacity to grasp any aspect of reality hasn't. It remains firmly
slabbed in at ground level. Zero. The concrete that is holding you
there is made from your own stupidity.

All this from one incapable of reading and understanding simple text?

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.


What do you expect from a janitor?


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Pomegranate ******* wrote:

He clearly knows bugger-all about cutters, but if you're looking for
the best mop for the job, Nymbecile's yer man! (or possibly woman).


I heard that depends on the day of the week. What an ugly broad,
swinging a mop on the weekends!


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life imitates life wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:56:20 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


In other words, your still a subhuman *******.

When will your group abusing ass ever DIE! DIE! DIE!?


Some time after I **** on your gave, dimbulb.

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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:25:02 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I
provided for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really
need to get out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck
in.


No, YOU didn't read the site. They sell MORE than lock wire. The lock
wire, however, is stainless, idiot. Now **** off, you goddamned stubborn,
retarded twit.

And I gave you credit for being able to read.

It is always wrong to assume that DimBulb can read.

Get your momma to read it pout to you.

She's too busy protecting her hamper from Nymbecile.

It's plain enough. No matter how much you dribble.

Put on your wetsuit, DimBulb dribbles a *lot*.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:56:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.


What do you expect from a janitor?

Janators perform a useful service.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:21:39 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Who cares about *only* military applications?

You're an idiot.

Lock wire was common on vintage cars, etc.

No. It was common on brit machinery... maybe. In the US, military
methodologies like that were NOT used on cars.

Still used on London Taxis up
until recently


And London Taxis are from a 60 year old design, no doubt. Again you
sport your stupidity like a flag.

- may still be. And it is a soft iron wire which can be
twisted easily.

No, IDIOT! Soft iron wire would garner water in the twists and be
rusted off within a matter of weeks, if not days.

You are never going to win this, because it is blatantly obvious how
little you know about it.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:23:28 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
You seem to want to apply terms to whatever you feel like. Bolt cutters
to the man in the street work in the same way as side cutters.

You really are an idiot. There are SEVERAL different varieties and
styles of bolt cutter, dumbass!

You really need to watch your blood pressure, pet.

Pet? You really need to eat ****, ****tard.

Go into your local tool supplier and ask for some bolt cutters. And then
come back here.

Again you sport your utter stupidity in the industrial realm.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:29:51 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

Again you prove that you did not read the very site you posted. They
sell wire. All kinds of wire. The only kind they sell that they refer
to as lock wire is stainless.

Sigh. Let me cut and paste the relevant bit:-

*********


Safety Lock Wire


We supply high quality safety lock wire for use in the Aerospace Industry.
Our aircraft safety lock wire conforms to ASTM, MS and AN specifications
is available in our unique handy dispensing can. Safety lockwire is
available in a wide variety of materials including: brass wire, aluminum
wire, copper wire and stainless steel wire.

*********


Now surely even you can read that? There aren't any really difficult words
in it.


Except that the discussion was about cutting STEEL wire with side
cutters, not ANY softer medium. So NONE of the other materials in your
cut and paste horse**** are even applicable to the discussion, nor where
they ever.

That is aside from the fact that you could likely NEVER even come up
with an application where one of the other materials is used, and note,
you retarded ****, where there is NO mention of soft steel OR iron being
one of the available types, so every argument you have spewed here is
again proven to be without merit, and you are proven to be without a
clue.

BTW your 'very specialized, high tensile strength wire' definition seems
to have changed somewhat...

Your capacity to grasp any aspect of reality hasn't. It remains firmly
slabbed in at ground level. Zero. The concrete that is holding you
there is made from your own stupidity.

All this from one incapable of reading and understanding simple text?

Show me soft steel or soft iron lock wire, you make it up as you go
along dumb****.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:09:56 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:



life imitates life wrote:

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:56:20 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


In other words, your still a subhuman *******.

When will your group abusing ass ever DIE! DIE! DIE!?


Some time after I **** on your gave, dimbulb.


Saying **** like that can get your ass in a time sling, boy.

You see, I can **** too. I wouldn't **** on your gRave though. I
would **** directly on your retching mass, while you writhe on the floor
in your death throes. So you had better hope that I am not present when
you are croaking, because that IS what I will do if I am. I will laugh
and **** on anyone else that tries to stop me too.

THAT is your scorecard, retard boy.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.

There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.
LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.
YOU are a goddamned retard.
So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

Again you prove that you did not read the very site you posted. They
sell wire. All kinds of wire. The only kind they sell that they refer
to as lock wire is stainless.

Sigh. Let me cut and paste the relevant bit:-

*********


Safety Lock Wire


We supply high quality safety lock wire for use in the Aerospace Industry.
Our aircraft safety lock wire conforms to ASTM, MS and AN specifications
is available in our unique handy dispensing can. Safety lockwire is
available in a wide variety of materials including: brass wire, aluminum
wire, copper wire and stainless steel wire.

*********


Now surely even you can read that? There aren't any really difficult words
in it.


OBTW, in the Navy we used a lot of lock wire made from inconel. Nuts on
bolted flanges on piping in bilges, were seawater was a corrosion
problem. The bolts/nuts/flanges were inconel, so the wire was too for
compatibility.

daestrom

life imitates life wrote:
On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Never been on a Navy ship have you?

Bolted flanges in bilges and other areas exposed to seawater use inconel
wire because the bolts and nuts are also made of inconel.

Dissimilar materials in a bilge environment, where you have a lot of
seawater doesn't work very well. Even if one of them is SS.

daestrom

krw wrote:

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:56:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Remember? You are the ****ing retard that said that lock wire was made
from soft steel!

I take it you didn't read the site of a locking wire supplier I provided
for you? It can be made of a variety of materials. You really need to get
out more from that narrow little environment you're stuck in.


What do you expect from a janitor?

Janators perform a useful service.


Most do. Some just push around the same crap day after day, year
after year while trying to look busy. Remnants from the days of making
companies hire the hard core unemployable.


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On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:59:58 -0500, daestrom
wrote:

life imitates life wrote:
On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Never been on a Navy ship have you?

Bolted flanges in bilges and other areas exposed to seawater use inconel
wire because the bolts and nuts are also made of inconel.

Dissimilar materials in a bilge environment, where you have a lot of
seawater doesn't work very well. Even if one of them is SS.

daestrom

"Iconel" is a stainless superalloy. Nice try though.

On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:59:58 -0500, daestrom
wrote:

life imitates life wrote:
On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless. HIGH
GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in nearly ANY
AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Never been on a Navy ship have you?

Bolted flanges in bilges and other areas exposed to seawater use inconel
wire because the bolts and nuts are also made of inconel.

Dissimilar materials in a bilge environment, where you have a lot of
seawater doesn't work very well. Even if one of them is SS.

daestrom


What part of ANY assembly did you EVER see "soft Iron" lock wire?

On 2010-02-18, life imitates life wrote:
On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2010-02-17, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:44:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.


Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

No, I'm talking about tie wire, as used to secure reinforcing before
pouring concrete. You said "Soft steel does not get made into wire AT
ALL" and that's incorrect.



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In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:21:39 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
If so, you are dumber than dog ****. LOCK WIRE is ALL stainless.
HIGH GRADE STAINLESS. It is a mission critical assembly element in
nearly ANY AND ALL military assemblies where vibration is introduced.

Who cares about *only* military applications?

You're an idiot.

Calling me that doesn't make it so. I'm an 'idiot' who can read a simple
website. You, seemingly, can't.

Lock wire was common on vintage cars, etc.

No. It was common on brit machinery... maybe. In the US, military
methodologies like that were NOT used on cars.

Why do you harp on about what may or may not be used in the military? They
are hardly a bastion of good practice given the numerous cock ups. In
other words human.

Still used on London Taxis up
until recently


And London Taxis are from a 60 year old design, no doubt. Again you
sport your stupidity like a flag.

And strictly controlled by a licensing authority. Who insist on many
aspects of the design.

- may still be. And it is a soft iron wire which can be
twisted easily.

No, IDIOT! Soft iron wire would garner water in the twists and be
rusted off within a matter of weeks, if not days.

Now you're being an idiot. No steel or iron rusts through in a matter of
weeks.

You are never going to win this, because it is blatantly obvious how
little you know about it.

I've probably seen more lock wired nuts and bolts than you've had hot
dinners.

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*There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:29:51 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:50:52 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
Seems you know nothing of even US suppliers.

http://www.malinco.com/

It comes in many varieties.


There is NO lock wire that is "soft steel" as you declared, you dumb
****tard. And all the dancing in the world will not allow you to achieve
escape velocity from your utter stupidity.

LOCK WIRE IS HIGH STRENGTH STAINLESS.

YOU are a goddamned retard.

So that's why they supply it made out of brass, copper, ally etc?

Again you prove that you did not read the very site you posted. They
sell wire. All kinds of wire. The only kind they sell that they refer
to as lock wire is stainless.

Sigh. Let me cut and paste the relevant bit:-

*********


Safety Lock Wire


We supply high quality safety lock wire for use in the Aerospace Industry.
Our aircraft safety lock wire conforms to ASTM, MS and AN specifications
is available in our unique handy dispensing can. Safety lockwire is
available in a wide variety of materials including: brass wire, aluminum
wire, copper wire and stainless steel wire.

*********


Now surely even you can read that? There aren't any really difficult
words in it.


Except that the discussion was about cutting STEEL wire with side
cutters, not ANY softer medium. So NONE of the other materials in your
cut and paste horse**** are even applicable to the discussion, nor where
they ever.

Those goalposts are very noisy when moved...

That is aside from the fact that you could likely NEVER even come up
with an application where one of the other materials is used, and note,
you retarded ****, where there is NO mention of soft steel OR iron being
one of the available types, so every argument you have spewed here is
again proven to be without merit, and you are proven to be without a
clue.

Just admit your 'experience' - if any - is based on a tiny part of the
industry and move on.

BTW, would you like a pic of standard side cutters marked
'for use on piano wire' ?

Would that make you shut the f**k up?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 19 Feb 2010 07:09:32 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2010-02-18, life imitates life wrote:
On 18 Feb 2010 09:09:41 GMT, Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2010-02-17, life imitates life wrote:
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:44:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
life imitates life wrote:
I have a pair of twister pliers for lock wire. They are not actually
meant to be use to CUT the wire either, even though they have side
cutters incorporated into them. Any monkey knows how to flex fracture
wire that uses a medium that work hardens. That is the right way to
"cut" lock wire. In fact, one is supposed to use the side cutter to
simply score the wire a bit, and then the number of flexes is reduced to
just a few.

Lock wire is soft steel. If you have pliers not able to cut that, put them
back in the kid's play box where they came from.


Lock wire is NOT "soft steel" you complete and utter retard. It is a
very specialized, high tensile strength wire. Soft steel does not get
made into wire AT ALL.

tie wire is soft steel.

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"Tie wire"? Is that what you brits call "lock wire"? The wire used to
keep fasteners from becoming loose and falling off of an assembly?

No, I'm talking about tie wire, as used to secure reinforcing before
pouring concrete. You said "Soft steel does not get made into wire AT
ALL" and that's incorrect.


Learn to read AND to quote properly, you snipping LYING RETARD!

I said LOCK WIRE, asshole. Nice job of snipping the modifier, you
pathetic piece of ****!

YOU ARE INCORRECT.

Tie wire doesn't make a flying **** what it is made of, because it is
only there to hold the rebar in place until the concrete pour.

They all, in fact, rust through faster than any other element of a
slab.

So I know more about THAT realm than you do as well, dip****.



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On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Why do you harp on about what may or may not be used in the military? They
are hardly a bastion of good practice given the numerous cock ups. In
other words human.

Convenient ignorance of the fact that you were wrong about "vintage
cars" noted.

Nice job of showing us how much more stupid you can be, once you have
already been proven wrong.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


And London Taxis are from a 60 year old design, no doubt. Again you
sport your stupidity like a flag.

And strictly controlled by a licensing authority. Who insist on many
aspects of the design.


Yes. Total pieces of **** that get VERY poor gas mileage. Gore would
have a field day with the level of ignorance that takes place over there
as it relates to energy waste during distribution and consumption.

So, asswipe... are they 35 mpg green mobiles, or ancient, archaic
even, piece of **** tanks that give off more CO2 than all the cows on the
planet?

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:43:27 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

I've probably seen more lock wired nuts and bolts than you've had hot
dinners.


Not likely, little old ****head. I work with mil gear every day, and I
have for decades. I knew about lock wires and the industrial uses for it
back in the late 60s at less then ten years old.

You are out of your league, Plowtard boy.

On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:48:09 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Those goalposts are very noisy when moved...


Note how the ****ing retard has ceased claiming that lock wire is made
from soft iron. You couldn't be any more retarded about it, asswipe.