The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Should I be worried about this change in wire size? Will this change the
magnet's strength significantly? The current draw?

Here's the original schematic:

http://i47.tinypic.com/2lkpt94.jpg

"F" is the clutch coil. The machine isn't currently wired to mains so the
clutch's exact operating voltage isn't known. The transformer voltage that
supplies the rectifier bridge seems to be 32 v (per label on the schematic).
Here's photos of the clutch. (The coil is imbedded in a groove in the metal
cylinder.) ::

http://i48.tinypic.com/2hnyqll.jpg

http://i46.tinypic.com/2nlg5de.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/24pjaqu.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/29bdduw.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/291c7cw.jpg

Will this change in wire size cause me troubles?

Thanks,
Dave

DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

"Eeyore" m wrote in
message ...
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is
being rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Forget how to convert Graham?

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html

I don't think 10 awg will be a problem, as long as the # of turns is the
same. Measure the current to be sure.

Cheers

On Dec 16, 10:01*pm, "Martin Riddle" wrote:
"Eeyore" m wrote in
.com...

DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is
being rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Forget how to convert Graham?

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html

I don't think 10 awg will be a problem, as long as the # of turns is the
same. Measure the current to be sure.

Cheers

if the wire is a little thicker, the current might be a little higher
and the magnetic strength would be a little higher.

looks like you could change the xformer tap to the 30v location if
needed. or add a small resistor in series.

Mark

Eeyore wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham


You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.

Eeyore wrote:

DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?


We don't need to dumb things down to a level for idiots to be able to
do the math.


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Martin Riddle wrote:
"Eeyore" m wrote
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is
being rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.
Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Forget how to convert Graham?

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/awg-wire-gauge-d_731.html

I don't think 10 awg will be a problem, as long as the # of turns is the
same. Measure the current to be sure.

Oh I can convert. Trouble is, IME a single gauge can cover a range of
CSAs. Plus it's pointlessly and wastefully time consuming.

Graham

On Dec 16, 9:27*pm, Eeyore
m wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Now that is a helpful comment. Maybe because we are??? Why are there
three distinct classes of units in physics? (eventhough SI units are
somewhat universal). Cross sectional area and diameter are basic
parameters that engineers understand and taught to convert between any
system of units. Difference between an engineer and an hack? I like
blue, you may like purple. Our rocket went to the moon, you don't
have one...Sheese, don't ya have enough nits to pick?
-John

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:27:19 +0000, Eeyore
m wrote:

DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Mostly inertia, of course. On the other hand, the AWG scale is right
simple to use to swag the nominal wire resistance, given that it's a log
scale and starting with AWG 10 = 1 ohm/1000 feet (yeah, "feet" but ...).

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Eeyore wrote in message ...
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel
to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a
motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

bg wrote:
Eeyore wrote in message ...
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel
to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a
motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.
Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !


of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:


Eeyore wrote in message ...
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel
to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a
motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

---
I prefer base 21.

JF

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:27:19 +0000, Eeyore
m wrote:

DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

---
Because we like to be entertained by watching loons like you go bonkers
when we force you to step outside of your wretched little comfort zones?

America: "Hello, Europe, we'd like to buy 50,000 pounds of #10 AWG OFHC
double formvar magnet wire.

Europe: But... but all we have is metric sizes, in kilograms, boo hoo.
---

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

---
Sure we have.

So what?

JF

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.


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James Sweet wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.
Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham


You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.
And you dont care about the rest of the world?
If you want a clear answer ask a clear question.
Dont hide behind obscure local encodings.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:55:03 -0800 (PST), jjh
wrote:

On Dec 16, 9:27*pm, Eeyore
wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Now that is a helpful comment. Maybe because we are??? Why are there
three distinct classes of units in physics? (eventhough SI units are
somewhat universal). Cross sectional area and diameter are basic
parameters that engineers understand and taught to convert between any
system of units. Difference between an engineer and an hack? I like
blue, you may like purple. Our rocket went to the moon, you don't
have one...Sheese, don't ya have enough nits to pick?

Forget the dumb donkey. He's just another jealous Europeon.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.

The subject excites you?

Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

Everyone knows that 42 is in base 13. ;-)

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.

JF

John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.


Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

---
Nope, it's because I can use all my "digits" to count with.


Now you're just teasing the donkey, who can only count to four that
way...


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krw wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.

The subject excites you?

Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

Everyone knows that 42 is in base 13. ;-)


You're wayyyy off base...


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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:55:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


krw wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.

The subject excites you?

Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

Everyone knows that 42 is in base 13. ;-)


You're wayyyy off base...

No, my position is pretty safe.

krw wrote:
On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:55:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:
Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !
I prefer base 21.
The subject excites you?

Only because 42 is the second number in that base.
Everyone knows that 42 is in base 13. ;-)

You're wayyyy off base...

No, my position is pretty safe.

All your base are belong to us

James Sweet wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.

The USA is 'supposed' to be metricated. hy you choose to be so backward never
fails to amaze me. Any given wire gauge covers a wide range of
cross-sectional areas. At least you know what you're getting with mm2.

Graham


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jjh wrote:

Eeyore m wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

Now that is a helpful comment.

It is indeed. AWG does not specify an explicit conductor CSA.


Maybe because we are??? Why are there
three distinct classes of units in physics? (eventhough SI units are
somewhat universal).

TOTALLY universal except for the USA, Liberia and Burma / Myanmar, both somewhat
backward countries you have chosen to retain compatability with. Some might say the
USA is rather backward too. The high level of belief in religion is one pointer to
that.


Cross sectional area and diameter are basic parameters that engineers understand
and taught to convert between any system of units.

Conversion is a waste of time and a source of errors. There is only ONE system of
units I need for engineering.


Difference between an engineer and an hack? I like
blue, you may like purple. Our rocket went to the moon, you don't
have one...Sheese, don't ya have enough nits to pick?

And what did you get from going to the Moon ?

Furthermore we have ESA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Space_Agency
and Galileo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo...ite_navigation)

It knocks spots off GPS.

Graham

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Rich Webb wrote:

Eeyore m wrote:
DaveC wrote:

The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Mostly inertia, of course. On the other hand, the AWG scale is right
simple to use to swag the nominal wire resistance, given that it's a log
scale and starting with AWG 10 = 1 ohm/1000 feet (yeah, "feet" but ...).

Oh dear ! Is that how it was specified ? At what temperature btw ?

Graham

due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious adjustment to my
email address

bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?

Graham


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Ron wrote:

of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch

LOL ! Give me a thou over a 'mil' anyday. Only the Americans could confuse a
metric prefix with an old unit.

Not to mention that if you use the word 'mil' in the UK it means a millimetre.

Graham


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John Fields wrote:

Eeyore m wrote:
DaveC wrote:

The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

---
Because we like to be entertained by watching loons like you go bonkers
when we force you to step outside of your wretched little comfort zones?

I didn't go bonkers at all. I just picked an easy target to stir you up.


America: "Hello, Europe, we'd like to buy 50,000 pounds of #10 AWG OFHC
double formvar magnet wire.

Europe: But... but all we have is metric sizes, in kilograms, boo hoo.

We can convert too, you know. Thankfully only an issue for you lot.


Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

---
Sure we have.

So what?

Why don't you use it ?

Graham


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"Paul Hovnanian P.E." wrote:

That's enough arguing already! Lets compromise and use the FFF units system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system

--
Paul Hovnanian

I don't see cubits mentioned there.

Graham

due to the hugely increased level of spam please make the obvious adjustment to
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Eeyore wrote:

James Sweet wrote:


Eeyore wrote:

DaveC wrote:

The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.


The USA is 'supposed' to be metricated. hy you choose to be so backward never
fails to amaze me. Any given wire gauge covers a wide range of
cross-sectional areas. At least you know what you're getting with mm2.

Graham


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to my email address


What's the matter, challenging for you?

Jamie wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

Ron wrote:


of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch

LOL ! Give me a thou over a 'mil' anyday. Only the Americans could confuse a
metric prefix with an old unit.

Not to mention that if you use the word 'mil' in the UK it means a millimetre.

The way I see it, you're not able to comprehend the vast complexity of
the intellectually enhanced American!

Did that just about sum it up?



I will try to remove the bad taste with a swig of
Coffee/rooibos..............
Nah, that failed.

Eeyore wrote:


bg wrote:


Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !


What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?
Yes, we use the binary way!

Eeyore wrote:


Ron wrote:


of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch


LOL ! Give me a thou over a 'mil' anyday. Only the Americans could confuse a
metric prefix with an old unit.

Not to mention that if you use the word 'mil' in the UK it means a millimetre.

The way I see it, you're not able to comprehend the vast complexity of
the intellectually enhanced American!

Did that just about sum it up?

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:17:14 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



James Sweet wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
DaveC wrote:
The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the
flywheel to the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being
rewound by a motor rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe
slightly larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

Graham

You paint with a wide brush. I'd be perfectly content to use metric, and
end up using both systems regularly but it's not as if it's up to me
what the whole country uses.

The USA is 'supposed' to be metricated.

---
No, it isn't.

In ordinary life we we still buy gasoline and milk by the gallon, meat
by the pound, we measure distance in miles, length in yards, feet and
inches, and stupidity in grahams.

In science, out of the goodness of our hearts, we use the metric system
just to keep goons like you from having to convert and make your
inevitable mistakes.
---


hy you choose to be so backward never
fails to amaze me.

---
Choosing to use a system we're comfortable with and which works for us
isn't backward, it's just convenient.

After all, we got to the moon and back, the first time with feet and
inches.

And you?

Expanding on "backward", however, it's taken you lot some 350 years
after we came up with the United States of America to finally admit that
your system was ****ed; the proof being in your recent adoption of a
copycat version with the "United States of Europe", with the UK hedging
its bets by not converting to the Euro. How's that for backward?
---

Any given wire gauge covers a wide range of
cross-sectional areas. At least you know what you're getting with mm2.

---
No, dumbass, any given wire gauge is specified as having a fixed
diameter and, therefore a fixed cross-sectional area.

Whether there are several Metric sizes between AWG sizes is really
immaterial in that probably 99.999% of all the applications requiring
copper wire can be met using AWG. Read Spehro's post for a clue.

JF

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:02:30 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



John Fields wrote:

Eeyore m wrote:
DaveC wrote:

The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

---
Because we like to be entertained by watching loons like you go bonkers
when we force you to step outside of your wretched little comfort zones?

I didn't go bonkers at all. I just picked an easy target to stir you up.

---
And why would you want to do that? Just to make trouble, no doubt.

I noticed that while you were gone the atmosphere around here stunk a
lot less like **** than usual.

Now you're back and the place is starting to stink again. Too bad...
---

America: "Hello, Europe, we'd like to buy 50,000 pounds of #10 AWG OFHC
double formvar magnet wire.

Europe: But... but all we have is metric sizes, in kilograms, boo hoo.

We can convert too, you know. Thankfully only an issue for you lot.

---
Are Levi's sold over there with waist sizes in centimeters or do you
have to convert 112 cm to find what you can wear?
---

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

---
Sure we have.

So what?

Why don't you use it ?

---
Because it doesn't suit us in everyday life?

JF

Jamie wrote:

The way I see it, you're not able to comprehend the vast complexity of
the intellectually enhanced American!

Did that just about sum it up?

An Oxymoron shirley?



Dives for cover
Ron (Merry Christmas)

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:09:40 -0600, John Fields
wrote:

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:02:30 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



John Fields wrote:

Eeyore m wrote:
DaveC wrote:

The coil in an industrial electromagnetic clutch (connecting the flywheel to
the drive mechanism) has gone open-circuit. So it is being rewound by a motor
rewind shop.

I was just informed that the original wire was about 12 ga. (maybe slightly
larger; original was metric) but it was rewound using 10 ga.

Why do Americans persist in using stupid AWG that no-one else in the
world uses except to entertain you ?

---
Because we like to be entertained by watching loons like you go bonkers
when we force you to step outside of your wretched little comfort zones?

I didn't go bonkers at all. I just picked an easy target to stir you up.

---
And why would you want to do that? Just to make trouble, no doubt.

I noticed that while you were gone the atmosphere around here stunk a
lot less like **** than usual.

Now you're back and the place is starting to stink again. Too bad...
---

America: "Hello, Europe, we'd like to buy 50,000 pounds of #10 AWG OFHC
double formvar magnet wire.

Europe: But... but all we have is metric sizes, in kilograms, boo hoo.

We can convert too, you know. Thankfully only an issue for you lot.

---
Are Levi's sold over there with waist sizes in centimeters or do you
have to convert 112 cm to find what you can wear?
---

Have you never heard of mm^2 ?

---
Sure we have.

So what?

Why don't you use it ?

---
Because it doesn't suit us in everyday life?

JF

I'll bet folks in the industry were calling out wire by American Wire
Gauge calls long before folks 'over there' were calling wires out in
direct cross sectional area numerics. We hade/have circular mils, and
you guys have square millimeters.

Eventually, the world will, perhaps, be all metric. Maybe one day
there will be a singular monetary system or government... sure.

Don't hold your breath.

For now we will all, both you (Eeyore's 'over there' crowd)and us,
savor the nostalgia that our truly scientific ancestors gave us. We will
cling to those things that we think important. Every 'scientist' knows
how to measure length regardless of what ticks are on the scale... still,
every man likes to do so with *his own* ruler.

All the automation and such in 'science and industry' these days has
made for some 'scientists' that are titled or held in regards that are
far beyond their actual level of competency or depth of knowledge.

I am glad that you are not in that boat, John.

The classical engineers are all but gone... a dying breed.

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:57:21 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



bg wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

What an absurd comment. Do you have 12 fingers so you can count in inches to the
foot ?

Graham


Absurd? YOU, maybe.

I find that folks that claim to be a scientist yet cannot perform math
in bases other than ten and two, are not really scientists at all. That
is how absurd you are.

Do you **** and moan about the number of hours in a day or the calendar
arrangement as well?

You: NOT a scientist.

More toward "whining wussy", or in your case "wussy in the body of an
ass".

On Mon, 21 Dec 2009 03:59:41 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:



Ron wrote:

of course as any fool knows it should be either SWG or thousanths of an
inch

LOL ! Give me a thou over a 'mil' anyday. Only the Americans could confuse a
metric prefix with an old unit.

Not to mention that if you use the word 'mil' in the UK it means a millimetre.

Graham

Millimeter is "mm", NOT "mil". "mil" IS known around the world, you
asshole, know nothing idiot.

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:41:24 -0600, krw wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:34:42 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:


John Fields wrote:

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 11:06:47 -0700, "bg" wrote:

Metric is for people that have to count on their fingers !

I prefer base 21.

The subject excites you?

Only because 42 is the second number in that base.

Everyone knows that 42 is in base 13. ;-)


42 is "The answer to everything".