http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...%7D&siteid=rss

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. .................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.





...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. |
mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. |
et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the *******s.

On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:
http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

Still massively under-priced.

It wasn't that long ago (around 1998-99) I was working on designing
oil survey gear when the price was around $15 a barrel. Petrol prices
certainly haven't gone up 700% since then... Petrol is still cheaper
than milk and bottled water here in Oz. Funny how it all works huh?

Dave.

On Feb 26, 10:14*pm, "David L. Jones" wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-

Web-Site.com wrote:
http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB....

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ..........................*.......................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

Still massively under-priced.

Perhaps so.

It wasn't that long ago (around 1998-99) I was working on designing
oil survey gear when the price was around $15 a barrel. Petrol prices
certainly haven't gone up 700% since then... Petrol is still cheaper
than milk and bottled water here in Oz. Funny how it all works huh?

Dave.

I'm developing a milk-powered car. When petrol gets more expensive
than milk, I'm gonna make millions.

"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
meddelelse ...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...%7D&siteid=rss

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.





...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity due
to lack of electricity.

On Feb 27, 9:35 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
wrote:
"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
...





http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase


Best wishes,
James Arthur

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
wrote:


"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
meddelelse ...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...%7D&siteid=rss

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.





...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it up
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3423734.ece

and
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,3838970.story
with links to the UN docs


martin

"gearhead" wrote in message
...
On Feb 26, 10:14 pm, "David L. Jones" wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:59 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-

Web-Site.com wrote:
http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. .........................*.......................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

Still massively under-priced.

Perhaps so.

It wasn't that long ago (around 1998-99) I was working on designing
oil survey gear when the price was around $15 a barrel. Petrol prices
certainly haven't gone up 700% since then... Petrol is still cheaper
than milk and bottled water here in Oz. Funny how it all works huh?

Dave.

I'm developing a milk-powered car. When petrol gets more expensive
than milk, I'm gonna make millions.



Some idiots said they can power a car with water, I tried splitting water
and I got 20% return of what I put in. ****.... America you're lying to each
other to no end. If you want to know the guy who discovered a solution for
fuel problem then he is me. I just act funny that's all. I know a lot more
than you gave me the credit. Ain't that a HOOT?



...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the *******s.

Some idiots said they can power a car with water, I tried splitting water
and I got 20% return of what I put in. ****.... America you're lying to
each
other to no end. If you want to know the guy who discovered a solution
for
fuel problem then he is me. I just act funny that's all. I know a lot
more
than you gave me the credit. Ain't that a HOOT?



It's just another perpetual motion machine scheme. Water powered cars, 100
mpg carburetors, free energy, these scams have been around for hundreds of
years. Every one of them violates well proven laws of science but they
succeed because people want to believe.

On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"



wrote:

"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

Cheers,
James Arthur

"James Arthur" wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"



wrote:

"Jim Thompson" skrev i
en
...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India
and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls -
*ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across
that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth
replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity
due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it
uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

Cheers,
James Arthur



It is more than fair. I'll tell you why, when it comes to do the right
thing, Bush did everything too late. And when it comes to do the wrong
thing, he did it foolishly and very quickly. I'm sorry, I just can't see
how you're going to succeed in convincing people. Did you see his rating
down to 19% now? What are you smoking?




...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the *******s.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:08:58 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"



wrote:

"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

Cheers,
James Arthur
I didn't wite them, they are just 2 links that I found while waiting
for the first cup of coffee to boil, this morning. When does the US
wheat harvest start, I think I saw it was about 10 weeks from now?


martin

On Feb 27, 1:15 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:
"James Arthur" wrote in message

...



On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"

wrote:

"Jim Thompson" skrev i
en
...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India
and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls -
*ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across
that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth
replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below capacity
due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it
uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

Cheers,
James Arthur

It is more than fair.

I mean it's not fair for these same guys to criticize the man for
doing the very thing they demanded he do.

I'll tell you why, when it comes to do the right
thing, Bush did everything too late. And when it comes to do the wrong
thing, he did it foolishly and very quickly.

Mostly no quarrel there, and I agree that biofuel's a bad idea.
Greenies and other conspiracy-types think there's some easy,
suppressed solution. There isn't.

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

Cheers,
James Arthur

"James Arthur" wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:15 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:
"James Arthur" wrote in message

...



On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:35:22 +0100, in sci.electronics.design
"Frithiof Andreas Jensen"

wrote:

"Jim Thompson" skrev
i
en
...

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans
e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east,
India
and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls -
*ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across
that it
is well to produce at a loss)

PS:
And welcome to the brand new regime of Ressource limited growth
replacing
Finance limited growth. South Africa's mines are running below
capacity
due
to lack of electricity.

This sort of sums it
uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

Cheers,
James Arthur

It is more than fair.

I mean it's not fair for these same guys to criticize the man for
doing the very thing they demanded he do.

I'll tell you why, when it comes to do the right
thing, Bush did everything too late. And when it comes to do the wrong
thing, he did it foolishly and very quickly.

Mostly no quarrel there, and I agree that biofuel's a bad idea.
Greenies and other conspiracy-types think there's some easy,
suppressed solution. There isn't.

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

Cheers,
James Arthur


I got the magic to double the MPG, just because I'm funny doesn't mean the
magic doesn't exist. I've been driving a (doubled MPG) Mercedes and
Infiniti for over two years now. I gave one to my gf, and she loves my
technology.



...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et
|
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASICK's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

America: Land of the Freedom Abusers, Because of the Rat *******s.

On Feb 27, 1:15 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:08:58 -0800 (PST), James Arthur wrote:
On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:

[...]

This sort of sums it uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

I didn't wite them, they are just 2 links that I found while waiting
for the first cup of coffee to boil, this morning.

No worries--I enjoyed the articles and appreciated the links. I'm
glad to see the public finally wising up to what I saw as a bad idea
(environmentally & economically) from the start.

My frustration was with the LA Times, not with you.

Best wishes,
James Arthur

On Feb 27, 9:35*am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
wrote:

China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get
the point across that it is well to produce at a loss)

Paging Bill Sloman. lol

On Feb 27, 1:36 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:

"James Arthur" wrote:

[...]

Mostly no quarrel there, and I agree that biofuel's a bad idea.
Greenies and other conspiracy-types think there's some easy,
suppressed solution. There isn't.

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.


I got the magic to double the MPG, just because I'm funny doesn't mean the
magic doesn't exist. I've been driving a (doubled MPG) Mercedes and
Infiniti for over two years now. I gave one to my gf, and she loves my
technology.

...Jim Thompson

Nah, you don't even have the technology to properly imitate Jim.

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Feb 27, 1:30*pm, James Arthur wrote:

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. *Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

What the hell kind of country would this be if you could not steal
from your neighbors legally?

I especially like the last sentence:

"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_

Hey "Jim" (Message-ID: ), your sig isn't even lining
up.

Go play with your kindergarten classmates. Well I suppose they don't want
you, huh?

Tim

--
Deep Fryer: A very philosophical monk.
Website @ http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Some idiots

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:51:10 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

On Feb 27, 1:15 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:08:58 -0800 (PST), James Arthur wrote:
On Feb 27, 12:27 pm, Martin Griffith wrote:

[...]

This sort of sums it uphttp://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/natur...

andhttp://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-food26feb26,0,3838970.story

Not fair--Mr. Bush responds wholeheartedly (if ill-advisedly)--with
Congress in tow--to their (Greens in general, and the LA Times in
particular) criticism about not supporting alternative fuels, then
they lambaste him when he does.

That's not helpful. We need less advocacy & more sensible
discussion. But I suppose it's outrage that sells.

I didn't wite them, they are just 2 links that I found while waiting
for the first cup of coffee to boil, this morning.

No worries--I enjoyed the articles and appreciated the links. I'm
glad to see the public finally wising up to what I saw as a bad idea
(environmentally & economically) from the start.

My frustration was with the LA Times, not with you.

Best wishes,
James Arthur
The Times of Londinium (murdock crap)didn't have the UN/FAO links,
which the LAT did, it is so good when a tree paper posts links to the
source on the web.
So i thought it was worth quotifying.

If you want to see a really good paper, try this
http://thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article846732.ece


martin

On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Simon S Aysdie wrote:
On Feb 27, 1:30 pm, James Arthur wrote:

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

What the hell kind of country would this be if you could not steal
from your neighbors legally?

I especially like the last sentence:

"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_

http://silentpc.org/university/bastiat.php

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:22:32 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur
That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin

"James Arthur" wrote in message
...
On Feb 27, 1:36 pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:

"James Arthur" wrote:

[...]

Mostly no quarrel there, and I agree that biofuel's a bad idea.
Greenies and other conspiracy-types think there's some easy,
suppressed solution. There isn't.

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.


I got the magic to double the MPG, just because I'm funny doesn't mean
the
magic doesn't exist. I've been driving a (doubled MPG) Mercedes and
Infiniti for over two years now. I gave one to my gf, and she loves my
technology.

...Jim Thompson

Nah, you don't even have the technology to properly imitate Jim.

Cheers,
James Arthur



Too late, you lose.



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"Martin Griffith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:22:32 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur
That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin



May I disagree with you?



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In ,
James Arthur wrote:

on food price inflation

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase

I don't see 5b being true. The food plants is are replaced from carbon
already in the environment. If this achieves any reduction in consumption
in fossil fuels, then it achieves a decrease in transfer of carbon from
the lithosphere to the atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere.

- Don Klipstein )

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:30:44 -0800, in sci.electronics.design "Jim
Thompson" wrote:


"Martin Griffith" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:22:32 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur
That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin



May I disagree with you?



...Jim Thompson
Don't we always?



martin

On Feb 27, 3:10 pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:
In ,

James Arthur wrote:

on food price inflation


You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase

I don't see 5b being true. The food plants is are replaced from carbon
already in the environment. If this achieves any reduction in consumption
in fossil fuels, then it achieves a decrease in transfer of carbon from
the lithosphere to the atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere.

- Don Klipstein )

There was a paper out recently on that.

The problem not previously considered is that any food not grown here
has to be replaced. That means it has to be grown somewhere else,
generally under more primitive conditions (e.g. slash & burn (shudder)
or just otherwise less efficiently).

Since the planting-for-biofuel barely yields more than it consumes in
tractor fuel, etc., to start with, any overall loss in efficiency
results in net increased emissions. So say the paper's authors,
anyhow.

Cheers,
James Arthur

On Feb 27, 3:25 pm, James Arthur wrote:
On Feb 27, 3:10 pm, (Don Klipstein) wrote:



In ,

James Arthur wrote:

on food price inflation

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase

I don't see 5b being true. The food plants is are replaced from carbon
already in the environment. If this achieves any reduction in consumption
in fossil fuels, then it achieves a decrease in transfer of carbon from
the lithosphere to the atmosphere, biosphere and hydrosphere.

- Don Klipstein )

There was a paper out recently on that.

The problem not previously considered is that any food not grown here
has to be replaced. That means it has to be grown somewhere else,
generally under more primitive conditions (e.g. slash & burn (shudder)
or just otherwise less efficiently).

Since the planting-for-biofuel barely yields more than it consumes in
tractor fuel, etc., to start with, any overall loss in efficiency
results in net increased emissions. So say the paper's authors,
anyhow.

Summary he http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=18784732

--James

On Feb 27, 2:22*pm, James Arthur wrote:
On Feb 27, 2:06 pm, Simon S Aysdie wrote:





On Feb 27, 1:30 pm, James Arthur wrote:

Everyone wants magic, wants it free, and don't bother us with the
details. *Government, in the business of pleasing people, is more than
happy to oblige...politicians of both parties *love* to spend money on
their constituents, no matter what the cause.

What the hell kind of country would this be if you could not steal
from your neighbors legally?

I especially like the last sentence:

"To the intellectual the social device of capitalism
offers a displeasing picture. Why? In his own terms,
here are self-seeking men in quest of personal aggran-
dizement. How? By providing consumers with things they
want or can be induced to want. The same intellectual,
puzzlingly, is not shocked by the workings of hedonist
democracy; here also self-seeking men accomplish their
aggrandizement by promising to other men things they
want or are induced to demand. The difference seems to
lie mainly in that the capitalist delivers the goods."
* *--Bertrand de Jouvenel,
* * *_Treatment of Capitalism by Intellectuals_

http://silentpc.org/university/bastiat.php

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

It really is a fiction, and I guess we can take that to mean people
love fiction. There is, however, somebody benefiting:

http://www.forbes.com/realestate/200...hisSpeed=30000
http://www.forbes.com/realestate/200...hisSpeed=30000

Guvmint lining guvmint pockets -- who woulda ever thunk it?

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%. There are futures contracts out on crude oil for a price
point of $200 per barrel by year 2010.

The price of oil is rising faster than the normal rate of inflation.
This will contribute to the cost of most everything we have. The rate
of infation will be difficult to keep up with.

One of the causes for all of this is from the massive out-sourcing of
manufacturing in foreign countries to have lower labour cost, and from
letting our society become more dependend on other countries for
energy and materials.

From all that is going on, North America and most of Europe will
become a third world economy. We will no longer be able to afford to
live at the standard of living that we are used to. It will take a
very big change of attitude and the way of doing things to fix the
problem.



Jerry G.
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On Feb 26, 11:59*pm, "Jim Thompson" To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com wrote:
http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ..........................*.......................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ...Jim Thompson
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On Feb 28, 12:33 pm, "Jerry G." wrote:
It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%.

So why didn't the petrol price go up 700% since oil was $15 back in
1999?
As you say, the reasons are many, but one thing is for sure, petrol
prices have had very little in the way of linear correlation with oil
price.

Dave.

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:33:08 -0800 (PST), "Jerry G."
wrote:

It is very likely, the crude oil price per barrel may get up to about
$120 to $140 by the mid or end of the summer. The reasons are many.
This means that the price of fuel will most likely rise by at least
another 20%. There are futures contracts out on crude oil for a price
point of $200 per barrel by year 2010.

The price of oil is rising faster than the normal rate of inflation.
This will contribute to the cost of most everything we have. The rate
of infation will be difficult to keep up with.

One of the causes for all of this is from the massive out-sourcing of
manufacturing in foreign countries to have lower labour cost, and from
letting our society become more dependend on other countries for
energy and materials.

From all that is going on, North America and most of Europe will
become a third world economy. We will no longer be able to afford to
live at the standard of living that we are used to. It will take a
very big change of attitude and the way of doing things to fix the
problem.

What we won't be able to afford is wasting energy as senselessly as we
do now. The average USian could cut his energy use in half without
extreme distress.

The main cause of the energy shortage is the fact that the Chinese,
the Indians, the Africans, and the South Americans are increasing both
population and per-capita energy use. Imagine if every family in India
and every family in China had central heating and a car.

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

John

John Larkin wrote:
We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.

Martin Griffith wrote:

On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:30:44 -0800, in sci.electronics.design "Jim
Thompson" wrote:


"Martin Griffith" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:22:32 -0800 (PST), in sci.electronics.design
James Arthur wrote:

"Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to
live at the expense of everybody else." - Claude F. Bastiat
(1801-1850)

Cheers,
James Arthur
That quote is worthy of Mencken


martin



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...Jim Thompson
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:12:47 -0800 (PST), James Arthur
wrote:

On Feb 27, 9:35 am, "Frithiof Andreas Jensen"
k wrote:
"Jim Thompson" skrev i en
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http://www.marke****ch.com/news/stor...7B40D68525%2DB...

Feb. 26, 2008

.................................................. ................................................

As the broader market began to regain lost ground, crude prices for
April delivery gained 2.3% to a new high of $101.11 a barrel on the
New York Mercantile Exchange, surpassing crude's last record of
$100.65 hit last week.

...Jim Thompson

What people *should* be watching is the price of Wheat, Soy Beans e.t.c.
because that is where trouble will come from. In the middle east, India and
Pakistan people are going from being middle class to having to choose
between heating and eating! China has enacted price controls - *ensuring* a
shortage (maybe they will shoot some farmers to get the point across that it
is well to produce at a loss)

You can thank the biofuel craze for that. Planting for burning drives
up food from supply *and* demand sides, plus all the downstream
products--and in other countries--too.

Unintended consequences:

1. Al Gore sounds alarm
2. biofuel craze
3. farmers grow feedstock for cars instead of people

Results:
4. Human misery increased
a. inflation, locally
b. food becomes unaffordable in Mexico and Haiti
c. people starve

5. Environment not improved
a. replacement food grown, appallingly inefficiently
b. net CO2 emissions increase


Best wishes,
James Arthur


So they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to a mass murderer.

John

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:08:07 +1100, Clifford Heath
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

A very large percentage of that capability is due to the use of
nitrogenous fertilizers, manufactured from natural or petroleum
gas via the Haber-Bosch process for ammonia. The Chinese make
more than a quarter of the world's production, but basically -
guess what - the ability to store energy in your cereal crops and
in your "biofuels", comes predominantly from below the ground,
not from the sun. Without fossil fertilizer, 90% of the world's
production of grain would cease.

The fossil fuel crisis is first and foremost a *food* crisis, the
cost of fuel for transport is just the leading edge.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"


John

John Larkin wrote:

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:

We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.

Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.


VLV

What logic? What syntax?

John

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen....unitednations

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.



What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?


What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?

VLV

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

John Larkin wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 03:51:48 GMT, Vladimir Vassilevsky
wrote:



John Larkin wrote:


We have something they don't: an enormous capacity to make food.

Don't worry. They will eat you up.


Well, just think about the negotiation sessions:

"We have food. You have oil. Wanna do business?"

What business? What oil? The oil it what Iraq is intended for.



What logic?

I don't see any logic either. If the Iraq is colonized, then why the oil
is $101.11 ?

What syntax?

Should learn hispanic?


My might as well. Your 'english' doesn't make much sense.


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