Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :-)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

Thats widely believed to be due to mercury,
not lead, as mercury-based compounds were
used in the manufacture of felt hats in the
18th and 19th century.

From what little I'v read on the subject, lead
poisoning causes dimentia and sympotoms of general
illness such as abdominal pain whereas mercury
can cause more severe psychotic symptoms such
as hallucinations.

Bob

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, "Dave Moore"
wrote:

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.
... So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
that one way or the other, right?

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
(Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

Hadn't heard that one.

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:37:24 -0500, Rob wrote:

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, "Dave Moore"
wrote:

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.
... So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
that one way or the other, right?

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
(Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.
Seaweed...J.P.
Hadn't heard that one.

"Rob" wrote in message ...
: On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:56:52 -0600, "Dave Moore"
: wrote:
:
: Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: the edges of doorways on occasion,
: instead of gracefully passing through them.
: Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: in the hands.
: ... So I did some
: research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: just might well be those of lead poisoning.
:
: Dave, If you really think that your lead level may be that high,
: consider getting a blood test. They can also evaluate other heavy
: metals. If the symptoms are that noticeable, it's best to resolve
: that one way or the other, right?

Agreed. Right now I'm heavilay involved in trying to
finish some projects which thanks to Hurricane Katrina are
running almost a year behind. In about 1 more week
I should be caught up to the point where I'll be satisfied
enough to take a break and get the blood work done, but
also something I've been planning to do for a long time.
Get my frikken crumbling teeth taken care of.

I find it rather interesting that I haven't been to a dentist in
over 20 years and the only teeth that I am having any problems
with are the teeth that have supposedly been saved by dentists.
Every tooth in my mouth that was never touched by a dentist
is just fine.

If I had it to do over again, I would have never had any work
done on my teeth unless I had some severe problem that
without a doubt required action. As it is, I never ever had
a toothache or anything. In every case, I was informed by
dentists in the course of routine checkups that I had cavities
that needed to be fixed. In one case, the dentist yanked all 4
of my rear molars claiming that I'd be glad I did later on in life.
Well he couldn't have been more wrong. In fact, I'm really
sorry I let da' bastahd do it )`: I think he might have been
gouging the medicaid system in California, and I was young and
naive at the time.

:
: To make a long story short, for the last couple
: of months I've been munching mass quantities
: of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
:
: If you really have high lead content, you'll probably get to take some
: strong chelating agents made with mercaptans. It will be great.
: (Known to clear an entire building due to the odor)
:
: I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
:
: That would be mercury, but that would make for a great cocktail.

Yeah, I guess that's right. I think stumbled on that story whilst
researching lead poisoning which is why I probably got it
mixed up with lead.


:
: BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
:
: After denying possible problems for years, many dentists are now
: discontinuing use of mercury for some reason.


probably the reason, mercury is frikken toxic !!! :-)

They don't want you to eat fish more than twice a week,
yet everyday a person get's something like ten times the
amount from their amalgum fillings.

:
: At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: to be keeping it in check.
: I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: purported to have chelating properties.
:
: Hadn't heard that one.

Metals block the neuro receptors in the brain.
One thing I've noticed since I've been self
chelating, is that it no longer seems to take
as much coffee to get the lead out of my ass
(pun intended) in the morning.

On 7 Mar, 08:56, "Dave Moore" wrote:

Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :-)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.

sensible thing would be get a blood lead test, as you may be barking
up the wrong tree otherwise. Or meowing.

Is there genuine evidence for the chelating effects of the things you
mention?

Re nutritional supplements, lead does some of its harm by competing in
the body with iron, calcium and zinc. Thus some of the effects can be
reduced by increasing levels of these minerals to the upper end of
what is healthy. In so doing one must also raise levels of the
minerals iron, calcium and zinc compete with, to prevent deficiencies.

Vitamin C is also a weak lead chelator. See wikipedia's lead poisoning
article.

But all this is only useful if you actually do have a lead problem.
You need to find out, vague guesses arent much good.


NT

wrote in message oups.com...
: On 7 Mar, 08:56, "Dave Moore" wrote:
:
: Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: post about my recent experience. So, since
: I finally remembered;
:
: Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: the edges of doorways on occasion,
: instead of gracefully passing through them.
: Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: in the hands.
:
: Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
: 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
: research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: just might well be those of lead poisoning.
:
: To make a long story short, for the last couple
: of months I've been munching mass quantities
: of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
:
: Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
: can help rid the body of metals.
: Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
: my coordination has improved immensely
: when playing the guitar, and no more
: weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
:
: I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
: my experience anyway FWIW.
:
: I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
:
: This struck me a bit funny since my wife
: and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
: thinking about changing my screen name to
: "The Mad Catter" :-)
:
: BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
:
: At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: to be keeping it in check.
: I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: purported to have chelating properties.
:
: sensible thing would be get a blood lead test, as you may be barking
: up the wrong tree otherwise. Or meowing.
:
: Is there genuine evidence for the chelating effects of the things you
: mention?
:
: Re nutritional supplements, lead does some of its harm by competing in
: the body with iron, calcium and zinc. Thus some of the effects can be
: reduced by increasing levels of these minerals to the upper end of
: what is healthy. In so doing one must also raise levels of the
: minerals iron, calcium and zinc compete with, to prevent deficiencies.
:
: Vitamin C is also a weak lead chelator. See wikipedia's lead poisoning
: article.
:
: But all this is only useful if you actually do have a lead problem.
: You need to find out, vague guesses arent much good.
:
:
: NT

True vague guesses aren't much good, but in my case the things
I'm doing have really made a huge difference. I was to the
point where I could hardly play the guitar. It was really weird.
I didn't really feel as though I was uncoordinated or anything,
but when I'd try to play I would miss strings that I rally thought
I was going to hit. It was like there was some kinda disconnect
from the brain to the muscles. Now I'm tearin it up again.

I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
52, one begins to think about such things :-)
So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.

I plan to get tested fairly soon, and when I do, I'll post a follow up.


:

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 03:55:03 -0600, "Dave Moore"
Gave us:

I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
52, one begins to think about such things :-)
So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.


Try a good, hearty, fresh green salad twice a day.

Not some little dish filler either. A PLATE FULL of salad.

Graze in the pasture as it were.

"MassiveProng" wrote in message ...
: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 03:55:03 -0600, "Dave Moore"
: Gave us:
:
: I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
: and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
: possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
: be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
: 52, one begins to think about such things :-)
: So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
: mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.
:
:
: Try a good, hearty, fresh green salad twice a day.
:
: Not some little dish filler either. A PLATE FULL of salad.
:
: Graze in the pasture as it were.

I've been eating large bowls of fresh veggies for over 20 years.
I was into so-called 'health foods' before food was discovered.

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:08:57 -0600, "Dave Moore"
Gave us:


"MassiveProng" wrote in message ...
: On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 03:55:03 -0600, "Dave Moore"
: Gave us:
:
: I suppose I should mention that I started taking L-Carnitine
: and Coenzyme Q-10 also. Not because of my suspicions about
: possible lead poisoning, but simply because they're suppose to
: be good for cell rejuvenation in general. At my ripe old age of
: 52, one begins to think about such things :-)
: So I suppose there's the possiblity that these supplements
: mighta played a part in the turn around, dunno.
:
:
: Try a good, hearty, fresh green salad twice a day.
:
: Not some little dish filler either. A PLATE FULL of salad.
:
: Graze in the pasture as it were.

I've been eating large bowls of fresh veggies for over 20 years.
I was into so-called 'health foods' before food was discovered.


If that is the case, then it IS merely age and drugs as well as a
bit of the power of suggestion.

There is no reason you would be "missing strings" then not so simply
because you chowed on some selenium.

Dave Moore wrote:

Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.

Alcohol !


Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Were you in the habit of licking your fingers while soldering ? Or chewing the
solder ?

If not forget lead.

Graham

"Eeyore" wrote in message ...
:
:
: Dave Moore wrote:
:
: Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: post about my recent experience. So, since
: I finally remembered;
:
: Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: the edges of doorways on occasion,
: instead of gracefully passing through them.
:
: Alcohol !
:
:
: Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: in the hands.
:
: Were you in the habit of licking your fingers while soldering ? Or chewing the
: solder ?
:
: If not forget lead.
:
: Graham


There were times probably when I would reach into my
mouth to try to catch the crumbling mercury amalgam ;-)
:

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :-)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.



Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
important than it was.

It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
toxicity is cumulative.

There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote in message
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"Dave Moore" wrote in message
news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to



There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but
can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke
down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim
that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

Arfa



The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

On Mar 7, 5:37 am, "N Cook" wrote:
Arfa Daily wrote in message

...









"Dave Moore" wrote in message
news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but
can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke
down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim
that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

Arfa

The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list onhttp://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/- Hide quoted text -

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that's interesting. I swear milk tastes better.different packaged in
glass bottles.

On 7 Mar 2007 13:59:54 -0800, "The Librarian"
Gave us:

that's interesting. I swear milk tastes better.different packaged in
glass bottles.

Milk differs a lot from region to region. Ohio milk tastes great,
and SoCal milk doesn't. After ten years though, I like it, and have
yet to go "back to Ohio" to find my city gone, and milk tasing "funny"
on the rebound.

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:37:55 -0000, "N Cook"
wrote:

Arfa Daily wrote in message
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Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to

snip


The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"

It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
a sharper mind, as is often espoused.

Barry

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Arfa Daily wrote in message
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"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to

snip


The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function
of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"

It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
a sharper mind, as is often espoused.

Barry

Like smoking is partly psychological crutch and partly chemical addiction.
I reckon this water bottle nonsense is the same with phthalate instead of
nicotine.

I blame the teachers (in the UK anyway) who've been brainwashed by some
commercial operation called "Brain Gym". Admittedly I've only asked one
primary level teacher and he could see nothing perverse/unfounded claptrap,
in added water etc to increase cognitive ability/ reduced ADHD or whatever
psychobabble.

--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

"Barry Lennox" wrote in message ...
: On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:37:55 -0000, "N Cook"
: wrote:
:
: Arfa Daily wrote in message
: ...
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: Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
:
: snip
:
:
: The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
: packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
: industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
: When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
: hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
: these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
:
: The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
: an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"
:
: It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
: the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
: little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
: between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
: performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
: about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
: a sharper mind, as is often espoused.
:
: Barry


Did you hear about that woman that OD'd on water and died
as a result of water drinking contest recently?

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 17:11:15 -0600, "Dave Moore"
wrote:


"Barry Lennox" wrote in message ...
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: wrote:
:
: Arfa Daily wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Dave Moore" wrote in message
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: Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
:
: snip
:
:
: The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
: packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
: industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
: When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
: hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
: these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
:
: The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
: an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"
:
: It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
: the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
: little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
: between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
: performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
: about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
: a sharper mind, as is often espoused.
:
: Barry


Did you hear about that woman that OD'd on water and died
as a result of water drinking contest recently?


Sounds too good to be true! You got a URL for that?

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: snip
:
:
: The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
: packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
: industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
: When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
: hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
: these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.
:
: The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
: an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"
:
: It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
: the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
: little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
: between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
: performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
: about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
: a sharper mind, as is often espoused.
:
: Barry


Did you hear about that woman that OD'd on water and died
as a result of water drinking contest recently?


Also, what about the germs and dirt, etc on the used surfaces that
are used, constantly growing into a possible biohazard?
Have seen some articles that indicate such practices should actually
be banned (but they did have their own agenda, so who knows how "good"
those articles were).

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:15:35 +1300, Barry Lennox
wrote:

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:37:55 -0000, "N Cook"
wrote:

Arfa Daily wrote in message
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"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to

snip


The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"

It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
a sharper mind, as is often espoused.

Years ago Col. Cooper, a writer, teacher and former marine was driving into town
and noticed a young woman waiting to cross the street standing with her arms
crossed with a cell phone in one hand and a bottle of water in the other. He
riffed amusingly on what sort of perilous and adventurous life she must lead
that she should need to have water in hand at all times. What exotic sphere of
life did she occupy that she should need to be ready to communicate across great
distances at a moments notice. One might wonder.


Ron

Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 19:06:47 -0500, RonSonic
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:15:35 +1300, Barry Lennox
wrote:

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:37:55 -0000, "N Cook"
wrote:

Arfa Daily wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...
Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to

snip


The modern version is phthalate poisoning from leaching out of plastic
packaging and bottles. I have an industrial chemist friend in the food
industry , seriously concerned about this. I am coming to agree with him.
When I was young you never saw youngsters with bottles (glass or plastic)
hanging out of their mouths all the time. Anyone would think the function of
these ubiquitous bottles of water was psychological, like baby's dummies.

The water bottle syndrome is a fascinating one, and I'm certain it's
an affectation or posing thing---- "Look at me, I'm sooooo healthy"

It's mainly younger folk, but they seem utterly unable to move about
the workplace without dragging along their water bottle. I did a
little private survey a while ago, and did observe some correlation
between those who habitually carry water bottles and poorer
performance. No, it was not very scientific and it was a sample of
about 25, but it was far from true that "constant rehydration" equals
a sharper mind, as is often espoused.

Years ago Col. Cooper, a writer, teacher and former marine was driving into town
and noticed a young woman waiting to cross the street standing with her arms
crossed with a cell phone in one hand and a bottle of water in the other. He
riffed amusingly on what sort of perilous and adventurous life she must lead
that she should need to have water in hand at all times. What exotic sphere of
life did she occupy that she should need to be ready to communicate across great
distances at a moments notice. One might wonder.

I suspect a parallel universe link to the Sahara Desert

Incidentally, I suggested that to one of the worst "water bottle
carriers" where I once worked. She looked at me like I was quite mad.

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:02:18 GMT, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:


"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
post about my recent experience. So, since
I finally remembered;

Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
the edges of doorways on occasion,
instead of gracefully passing through them.
Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
in the hands.

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

To make a long story short, for the last couple
of months I've been munching mass quantities
of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
Also I've been supplementing with selenium.

Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
can help rid the body of metals.
Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
my coordination has improved immensely
when playing the guitar, and no more
weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.

I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
my experience anyway FWIW.

I also read about how lead poisoning was what
made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
expression "Mad Hatter" came from.

This struck me a bit funny since my wife
and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
thinking about changing my screen name to
"The Mad Catter" :-)

BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
if some of the metal toxicity might also be
a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.

At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
to be keeping it in check.
I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
purported to have chelating properties.



Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
important than it was.

It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
toxicity is cumulative.

There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
(traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.

Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
Do not forget the possibility of virus damage that has not been
discovered yet..J.P.
Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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....

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

....

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering,
are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some
evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date,
can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in
extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
..

"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
. net...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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...

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

...

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There
is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used
to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma,
and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly benign
material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

Arfa

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally
occuring pine resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in
to make the rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

I recall making some for a PC production line from water white rosin.

On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:25:31 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
wrote:


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally
occuring pine resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in
to make the rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

I recall making some for a PC production line from water white rosin.

---
And zinc chloride?

Well, I must say that sounds like something _you'd_ pull.


--
JF

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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...

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

...

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it
can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away.
There
is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes
used
to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial
asthma,
and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign
material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

Arfa



Zinc Chloride is used in plumbers flux, ie Acid flux paste. Not something
you want on or near electronics, even wires for that matter.

In article q0hIh.49534$cE3.26132@edtnps89,
Jeff L wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
. net...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
news:W7vHh.3913$B7.2859@bigfe9...

...

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

...

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it
can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away.
There
is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes
used
to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial
asthma,
and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign
material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

Arfa



Zinc Chloride is used in plumbers flux, ie Acid flux paste. Not something
you want on or near electronics, even wires for that matter.





More than a few people have mentioned that to Cowell.

Evidentally he is too stupid to listen.

"Jeff L" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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...

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

...

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it
can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away.
There
is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes
used
to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial
asthma,
and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign
material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring
pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

Arfa



Zinc Chloride is used in plumbers flux, ie Acid flux paste. Not something
you want on or near electronics, even wires for that matter.

You dumbasses can't even Wiki, can you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldering


Traditional rosin fluxes are available in non-activated (R), mildly
activated (RMA) and activated (RA) formulations. RA and RMA fluxes contain
rosin combined with an activating agent, typically an acid, which increases
the wettability of metals to which it is applied by removing existing
oxides. The residue resulting from the use of RA flux is corrosive and must
be cleaned off the piece being soldered. RMA flux is formulated to result in
a residue which is not significantly corrosive, with cleaning being
preferred but optional.
/

I have a jar of RMA rosin flux... I assure you that it
contains zinc chloride.
__
Steve
..

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:42:46 GMT, "Jeff L"
Gave us:


"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Stephen Cowell" wrote in message
. net...

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Dave Moore" wrote in message
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...

Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
30 years involved in electronics with a good
20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
just might well be those of lead poisoning.

...

Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it
can
be ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when
soldering, are from the flux contained in the solder, burning away.
There
is some evidence that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes
used
to date, can cause respiratory tract ailments such as industrial
asthma,
and may in extreme circumstances be carcinogenic.

Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it... I've been poisoned with
zinc before (welding) and you need to drink milk for
the chelating calcium in it. Bad sick headache... not sure
of prolonged low-level exposure, but fume hoods are nice.
__
Steve
.

That's a new one on me. I had always understood rosin to be a fairly
benign
material - at least when not heated up - made from naturally occuring pine
resin. Is the zinc chloride something that has been added in to make the
rosin suitable for some specific purpose ?

Arfa



Zinc Chloride is used in plumbers flux, ie Acid flux paste. Not something
you want on or near electronics, even wires for that matter.



Tell that to the GuiTard, that not only thinks he can play, but
thinks his acid flux is used in the electronics industry.

He could be a little more retarded, just not in this life.

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:33:10 -0600, "Stephen Cowell"
wrote:


Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it...

---
No, it doesn't.

Some fluxes often called "acid fluxes" contain zinc chloride, but it
can't be used for electrical work because it's corrosive.


--
JF

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:53:39 -0600, John Fields
Gave us:

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:33:10 -0600, "Stephen Cowell"
wrote:


Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it...

---
No, it doesn't.

I agree.

Some fluxes often called "acid fluxes" contain zinc chloride, but it
can't be used for electrical work because it's corrosive.

Chlorine has a way of doing that... :-]

Were it in my fluxes, I'd have been dead decades ago, and you guys
would have some other asshole hanging around calling folks assholes.
:-]

"MassiveProng" wrote in
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:53:39 -0600, John Fields
Gave us:

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:33:10 -0600, "Stephen Cowell"
wrote:


Rosin has Zinc Chloride in it...

---
No, it doesn't.

I agree.

Some fluxes often called "acid fluxes" contain zinc chloride, but it
can't be used for electrical work because it's corrosive.

Chlorine has a way of doing that... :-]

Were it in my fluxes, I'd have been dead decades ago, and you guys
would have some other asshole hanging around calling folks assholes.
:-]

Here, look at this picture...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7231750@N05/414282820/

and kiss my *ss.
__
Steve
..

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message ...
:
: "Dave Moore" wrote in message
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: Damn, for almost a week I have been forgetting to
: post about my recent experience. So, since
: I finally remembered;
:
: Not long ago I started noticing that when I would
: play the guitar I was missing a lot of the strings.
: Also I was doing weird stuff like bumping into
: the edges of doorways on occasion,
: instead of gracefully passing through them.
: Sometimes when standing still, it would feel like
: my feet were sliding apart in this kinda weird
: almost spinning sensation. Sometimes numbness
: in the hands.
:
: Anyway, finally, it dawned on me that perhaps
: 30 years involved in electronics with a good
: 20 of them heavily involved in prototyping guitar
: amp designs, might have taken it's toll. So I did some
: research online and discovered that indeed my symptoms
: just might well be those of lead poisoning.
:
: To make a long story short, for the last couple
: of months I've been munching mass quantities
: of Cilantro, about 1 bunch/day.
: Also I've been supplementing with selenium.
:
: Both supposedly have chelating agents in them that
: can help rid the body of metals.
: Anyway, after about 2 month's of this, I am noticing
: my coordination has improved immensely
: when playing the guitar, and no more
: weird numbness or spinning sensations as of late.
:
: I suppose this is all a bit anecdotal, but thought I'd relay
: my experience anyway FWIW.
:
: I also read about how lead poisoning was what
: made the Hat makers go mad and is where the
: expression "Mad Hatter" came from.
:
: This struck me a bit funny since my wife
: and I have an animal shelter for cats. I'm
: thinking about changing my screen name to
: "The Mad Catter" :-)
:
: BTW, also I have a lot of dental fillings
: starting to break lose, so I have to wonder
: if some of the metal toxicity might also be
: a result of mercury from crumbling amalgum.
:
: At any rate, whatever the cause, heaping servings
: of Cilantro and a supplement of selenium seem
: to be keeping it in check.
: I plan to look into Chlorella which also is
: purported to have chelating properties.
:
:
:
: Lead as a metal does not fume at soldering temperatures, such that it can be
: ingested in that way. The fumes and vapour that you see when soldering, are
: from the flux contained in the solder, burning away. There is some evidence
: that prolongued exposure to the rosin based fluxes used to date, can cause
: respiratory tract ailments such as industrial asthma, and may in extreme
: circumstances be carcinogenic. The fluxes that are now being used with the
: new-fangled lead-free solder that has been forced on us in Europe as a
: result of new legislation, are quite acidic, and very aggressive compared to
: the previous rosin compounds, so bench ventilation is now rather more
: important than it was.
:
: It may be possible to suffer a degree of lead poisoning from continuous
: handling of the basic metal, although it is a fairly inert material that is
: not generally associated with absorption through the skin, unlike beryllium
: for instance which is used elsewhere in electronics. Some commentators have
: also refuted that there is any free lead toxicity issue with solder, as it
: is a stable alloy with tin, and chemically locked in. Even over 30 years of
: handling the stuff daily ( as indeed I have myself ), it is unlikely that
: you would have ingested as much lead as you would have from the exhausts of
: gasoline powered vehicles in say a year, prior to the switchover to unleaded
: some years back. Once you have metal deposits in your body, I understand
: that it is very difficult to drive them out, which is why this kind of
: toxicity is cumulative.
:
: There has been some suggestion that in ye olden tymes, people were
: lead-poisoned by drinking wine and cider from mugs made of pewter
: (traditionally, another tin / lead alloy of the ratio of about 4 :1, but can
: have other components also). The acidity of the drink supposedly broke down
: the alloy, and dissolved the lead, giving it a nice route into the body.
:
: Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
: joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
: memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
: the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
: with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
: they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
: they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
: epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
: putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
: cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...
:
: Arfa

Thanks for the opinions,
All I can say is that I have been handling the holy hell out of the
stuff for a hell of a long time.. Consider this, I would solder
some stuff then pick up the guitar play a bit.
Then solder some more, play a bit more, on and on for maybe
12 hours/day at times.
So now picture this on a 'time off' off day (a real rarity:-)
I waltz into the room play a bit of guitar then break for a sandwich.
What just happened here? I've just unthinkingly
transfered the lead that's accumulated on my guitar strings to
my sandwich. Scarf the sandwich, then it's in the body.

Arfa Daily wrote:
Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

I think it's a lot simpler than that. People try to do a lot more at
once than they used to. All that multi-tasking makes us absent-minded.

"David Brodbeck" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Many people now seem to suffer "short-term memory loss". People
everywhere
joke about it. One of the games console makers have even brought out a
memory training game that they have been advertising on tv over here
using
the TV presenter from "Millionaire". I know people who have never worked
with solder in their lives, or any form of lead come to that, who claim
that
they can be thinking of something that they have to say, and by the time
they come to say it, it's gone ... Sound familiar ? This is reaching
epidemic proportions over here, so what's the cause ? Crap that they're
putting in the food ? The water ? Genetically modded oils that they are
cooking stuff in ? Much more worrying, I think, than lead from solder ...

I think it's a lot simpler than that. People try to do a lot more at
once than they used to. All that multi-tasking makes us absent-minded.

Would that it were that simple an analysis. It is not a case of being absent
minded. It is genuine short term memory loss. If you don't understand what
it is that I am talking about, then I reckon that you are lucky enough not
to suffer from it ...

Arfa

Arfa Daily wrote:
Would that it were that simple an analysis. It is not a case of being absent
minded. It is genuine short term memory loss. If you don't understand what
it is that I am talking about, then I reckon that you are lucky enough not
to suffer from it ...

Well, I'm not saying you aren't suffering from something real. But I
think a lot of people are simply trying to do too much at once. I also
think there's a lot of mental hypochondria in our society. I know a lot
of people who fret about age-related memory loss every time they forget
where they put their car keys, when in reality they were forgetting
where their car keys were in when they were in their 20s, too. It's
just once people get old they start to worry it's a sign of some kind of
disease.

"David Brodbeck" wrote in message
...
Arfa Daily wrote:
Would that it were that simple an analysis. It is not a case of being
absent
minded. It is genuine short term memory loss. If you don't understand
what
it is that I am talking about, then I reckon that you are lucky enough
not
to suffer from it ...

Well, I'm not saying you aren't suffering from something real. But I
think a lot of people are simply trying to do too much at once. I also
think there's a lot of mental hypochondria in our society. I know a lot
of people who fret about age-related memory loss every time they forget
where they put their car keys, when in reality they were forgetting
where their car keys were in when they were in their 20s, too. It's
just once people get old they start to worry it's a sign of some kind of
disease.

Yes, I live a busy life, and yes, I usually have a lot going on in my head,
and yes, I'm no longer a kid, but it's not a case of things like putting
down your car keys and then forgetting where. I can be in conversation with
someone, and be prompted for something I've got to say when it comes back to
me to speak, and zap! pow! it's gone, just like it was never there in the
first place, but the annoying thing is I know that it was. My wife has just
the same thing. Even my kids to a lesser extent ( 23, 21 and 20 ) Based on
this, I would think, as you probably do, that either we are all going
doolally, or being poisoned by something in the house, but I have many
friends who seem to have identical problems. The phrase " oh it's just short
term memory loss ! " comes up from people again and again, but I don't
recall the problem being like this not so many years ago ( that's long term
memory, and we are all just as sharp at that as we ever were ). My mother
who is in her 80s doesn't seem to have the problem, but understands what it
is, and says that she has no recollection of it existing in the past.

Maybe it is just a modern " pressures of life " thing, but it doesn't 'feel'
like it somehow, and if it's not, are we just the first generation of some
as yet unidentified cumulative food-packaging poisoning or some such, that's
only gonna get worse ??

Are those people that you know who " fret " about age related memory loss
really doing just that, or are they actually suffering something real that
they too can feel to not be just general absent minded-ism which of course
we do all suffer from sometimes ?

Arfa