I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA

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I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA

I'd try your local HVAC parts distributor.

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none wrote:
I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA


You can probably get it from www.usamfg.net, it's where I get most of my
surplus electrical and HVAC stuff.

Electronic Surplus Inc.
Phone: (216) 441-8500
Fax: (216) 441-8503
http://www.electronicsurplus.com/commerce

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:02:26 GMT, CJT wrote:

none wrote:

I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA

I'd try your local HVAC parts distributor.

I'm stuck in the New Orleans area where virtually all the local
sources are STILL closed up. I did have a go at the local Graingers
with no luck.
My only option at this time is to get it from an online source.

none wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:02:26 GMT, CJT wrote:


none wrote:


I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA

I'd try your local HVAC parts distributor.


I'm stuck in the New Orleans area where virtually all the local
sources are STILL closed up. I did have a go at the local Graingers
with no luck.
My only option at this time is to get it from an online source.

e.g.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mars-10MFD-370VA...QQcmdZViewItem

I've never dealt with these people, so have no feedback about their
merits. But there are MANY other sources for such capacitors.


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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:02:26 GMT, CJT wrote:


none wrote:


I need a A.C. capacitor for a small 1hp motor.
10uf @ 250v. dimensions 1inch across by 1-1/2 long.
Anyone know of a source for this?
TIA

I'd try your local HVAC parts distributor.


I'm stuck in the New Orleans area where virtually all the local
sources are STILL closed up. I did have a go at the local Graingers
with no luck.
My only option at this time is to get it from an online source.


Did you check usamfg.net? They sell online, you need an account but
that's as simple as calling or emailing them to request one.

On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net

Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge
is in pdf.


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On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net


Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge is
in pdf.


What's wrong with that? Are you too lazy to read it?

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Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....

I´m sorry if I make any 3:rd world user angry, but this is my reality.

I would never pay standard retail for anything if i can´t get some service.

Don´t be mad.... walk in others shoes for once......

On 2005-11-09 19:17:19 +0100, CJT said:

McM wrote:

On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net


Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge
is in pdf.


What's wrong with that? Are you too lazy to read it?

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Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....

I´m sorry if I make any 3:rd world user angry, but this is my reality.

I would never pay standard retail for anything if i can´t get some service.

Don´t be mad.... walk in others shoes for once......

I guess I just don't see the problem with pdf files.


On 2005-11-09 19:17:19 +0100, CJT said:

McM wrote:

On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net



Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge
is in pdf.


What's wrong with that? Are you too lazy to read it?

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On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:14:31 GMT, CJT wrote:

McM wrote:

Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....

I´m sorry if I make any 3:rd world user angry, but this is my reality.

I would never pay standard retail for anything if i can´t get some service.

Don´t be mad.... walk in others shoes for once......

I guess I just don't see the problem with pdf files.

Depending on the size of the pdf it can be a pain to load, epsecially
if you're on dialup.
I've also had problems with some later versions of pdf's not wanting
to load with my version of adobe(acrobat 5.0)
I can understand why some dislike having to deal with them online, I
tolerate it for the sake of getting the manual or whatever when the
only option before the net was snail mail and expensive fees.
(I've also had pdf's on occasion not wanting to either load in browser
or only wanting to load in browser. A pain when all you want is to
have a look at a particular item on the schematic or parts list. Ditto
if you actually want to download the entire repair/owner's manual.)

I''m retired so I've learned to be patient, other's are still on the
clock though.

On 2005-11-09 19:17:19 +0100, CJT said:

McM wrote:

On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net



Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge
is in pdf.


What's wrong with that? Are you too lazy to read it?

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McM wrote:
On 2005-11-02 04:31:36 +0100, James Sweet said:

usamfg.net


Well.... usamfg.net sucks they are so lazy that their online cataloge is
in pdf.




So what? With prices like they have who cares? I have no affiliation
with them but I've happily bought all sorts of HVAC stuff at rock bottom
prices, $7 TXV's, $40 linesets, and my favorite are the $5 brand new
rotary AC compressors which make excellent vacuum pumps. It wasn't until
recently that they had a website at all, just a paper catalog chock full
of cool stuff.

McM wrote:
Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist for.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

McM wrote:
Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist for.
Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.

none wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:


McM wrote:

Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist for.

Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

I pointed you to a source quite a few days ago.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.




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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

McM wrote:
Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist
for.
Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.


Try this unit from Allied Electronics (www.alliedelec.com):
Catalog # 591-0510
GENERAL ELECTRIC CAPACITOR 97F9002
CAPACITOR, MOTOR RUN, OVAL, 10uf, 6% TOLERANCE, 370 VOLTS
$6.23 Ea.


Be aware that Allied has a minimum order value that you may want to consider
before ordering.
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:00 -0500, "DaveM"
wrote:

"none" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

McM wrote:
Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist
for.
Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.


Try this unit from Allied Electronics (www.alliedelec.com):
Catalog # 591-0510
GENERAL ELECTRIC CAPACITOR 97F9002
CAPACITOR, MOTOR RUN, OVAL, 10uf, 6% TOLERANCE, 370 VOLTS
$6.23 Ea.

YES, I know all about that one.(have it on in my stock shelf as a
matter of fact.)
First off it's a big ass aluminum can starter cap for heavy duty AC
motors, won't work for the tiny compressor motor I have,will most
likely either not start the motor or will burn up the windings.
what I need is a small solid state cap.(also works as a condenser
soaking up surges to avoid burning the fine windings out. That big
commercial cap won't do that.)
What I have is a small finish compressor a Senco PC1010 designed for
mini paint guns/air brushes and small air guns, the motor is 3/4
nominal output, 1hp peak.
Hell that GE can is nearly as big as the motor itself and certainly
wouldn't fit in the motor housing.(nor bolt comfortably on the outside
even if it could work.)
It's a simple ass little solid state(electronic) capacitor which 25
years ago could easily be gotten at any electronic supplier.

Here's the problem:
Senco will absolutely NOT sell it direct.(unless I become a Senco
dealer and buy at least 1,000 bucks of their merchandise for stock.)
The nearest authorised parts dealer is four states away and only ships
UPS.
I live in the New Orleans area where UPS is running an Mongolian
cluster **** with an average delivery time of 5 weeks. That is if they
don't lose whatever you're having them ship in the first place.

If I didn't have a problem with the 6.99 that it cost I certainly do
have a problem with the 8 bucks and change it cost to ship it.
All this for a cap that in years gone by when one could actually get
decent service would cost around .99 cents at most.
(oddly enough I scanned through some older parts catalogs I had back
in the warehouse and all listed said cap, and at reasonable prices.
Yet all the up-to-date catalogs from the same jobbers don't list it at
all. No longer a stock item.)


Be aware that Allied has a minimum order value that you may want to consider
before ordering.

On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:26:21 GMT, CJT wrote:

none wrote:

On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:


McM wrote:

Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist for.

Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

I pointed you to a source quite a few days ago.

Yup, and I went there and they didn't have it.
We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.

Try this unit from Allied Electronics (www.alliedelec.com):
Catalog # 591-0510
GENERAL ELECTRIC CAPACITOR 97F9002
CAPACITOR, MOTOR RUN, OVAL, 10uf, 6% TOLERANCE, 370 VOLTS
$6.23 Ea.


YES, I know all about that one.(have it on in my stock shelf as a
matter of fact.)
First off it's a big ass aluminum can starter cap for heavy duty AC
motors, won't work for the tiny compressor motor I have,will most
likely either not start the motor or will burn up the windings.
what I need is a small solid state cap.(also works as a condenser
soaking up surges to avoid burning the fine windings out. That big
commercial cap won't do that.)
What I have is a small finish compressor a Senco PC1010 designed for
mini paint guns/air brushes and small air guns, the motor is 3/4
nominal output, 1hp peak.
Hell that GE can is nearly as big as the motor itself and certainly
wouldn't fit in the motor housing.(nor bolt comfortably on the outside
even if it could work.)
It's a simple ass little solid state(electronic) capacitor which 25
years ago could easily be gotten at any electronic supplier.




As far as the motor is concerned, a 10uF capacitor is a 10uF capacitor.
Yes mounting can be an issue of it's physically too large but
electrically it will work perfectly and in my experience the oil filled
caps are a lot more robust than the silly little epoxy block ones. I've
had several of those fail in refrigerators and window A/C units and I
always replace them with surplus oil filled units when space permits.

"none" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:32:00 -0500, "DaveM"
wrote:

"none" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 05:12:14 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:

McM wrote:
Well.... I like to think that it is a buyers maket.... I would not
have
to do a retailers work to buy something..... It´s not worth my
time....
I dont care if something cost $2 more or less... time is money.....
for my company I cost around $20 an hour and and my sparetime is rated
even more.....



So quit bitching about it and call up Grainger, that's what they exist
for.
Don't get me started on Grainger.
They've cut their stock so that I haven't been able to get ANYTHING
from them in at least 4 years.(Ditto for Johnstone as well.)
Being the OP I'm still looking for this particular capacitor.
A simple 10uf 250v A.C. capacitor shouldn't be that difficult to find,
and wouldn't have been 25 years ago.

We're not talking $2 less though, in the case of a motor run capacitor I
needed for my spa pump, try $33 less than the $37 which was the cheapest
I found elsewhere, I can dig through a pdf for a 90+ % saving, you
can't, so don't.


Try this unit from Allied Electronics (www.alliedelec.com):
Catalog # 591-0510
GENERAL ELECTRIC CAPACITOR 97F9002
CAPACITOR, MOTOR RUN, OVAL, 10uf, 6% TOLERANCE, 370 VOLTS
$6.23 Ea.

YES, I know all about that one.(have it on in my stock shelf as a
matter of fact.)
First off it's a big ass aluminum can starter cap for heavy duty AC
motors, won't work for the tiny compressor motor I have,will most
likely either not start the motor or will burn up the windings.
what I need is a small solid state cap.(also works as a condenser
soaking up surges to avoid burning the fine windings out. That big
commercial cap won't do that.)
What I have is a small finish compressor a Senco PC1010 designed for
mini paint guns/air brushes and small air guns, the motor is 3/4
nominal output, 1hp peak.
Hell that GE can is nearly as big as the motor itself and certainly
wouldn't fit in the motor housing.(nor bolt comfortably on the outside
even if it could work.)
It's a simple ass little solid state(electronic) capacitor which 25
years ago could easily be gotten at any electronic supplier.

Here's the problem:
Senco will absolutely NOT sell it direct.(unless I become a Senco
dealer and buy at least 1,000 bucks of their merchandise for stock.)
The nearest authorised parts dealer is four states away and only ships
UPS.
I live in the New Orleans area where UPS is running an Mongolian
cluster **** with an average delivery time of 5 weeks. That is if they
don't lose whatever you're having them ship in the first place.

If I didn't have a problem with the 6.99 that it cost I certainly do
have a problem with the 8 bucks and change it cost to ship it.
All this for a cap that in years gone by when one could actually get
decent service would cost around .99 cents at most.
(oddly enough I scanned through some older parts catalogs I had back
in the warehouse and all listed said cap, and at reasonable prices.
Yet all the up-to-date catalogs from the same jobbers don't list it at
all. No longer a stock item.)


Be aware that Allied has a minimum order value that you may want to
consider
before ordering.


Dude!!! Cool down for a minute!!!!!
The 10 uF capacitor will absolutely work on your motor The fact that it's a
bit more robust than the OEM unit doesn't mean that it won't work. I've
used these types of capacitors on very small motors, as small as 1/10 hp,
and they work just fine. It will absolutely not burn up any windings on
your motor unless you connect it wrong.
I've been in the electronics business for nearly 50 years, and I have never
heard of a "simple ass little solid state(electronic) capacitor". Could you
elaborate of that, please? Maybe if you could post all of the numbers on
the capacitor, that would help identify exactly what it is, and possibly
lead to a source for a direct or very close replacement.
You might go to an appliance parts store. They should have a good stock of
motor capacitors; maybe they have exactly what you need.
Size might be a bit of a problem, but I seriously doubt that it's nearly as
big as your motor. $6.99 for shipping an order, I admit might seem to be a
trifle high, but not exorbitant. If you want your motor to run again,
either buy the part or quit yer bitchin. Folks here are trying to help, but
with that attitude, you might not get very much.

Good luck on your search.
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none wrote:

snip
what I need is a small solid state cap.snip

Define "solid state cap"


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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:25:35 GMT, James Sweet
wrote:



Try this unit from Allied Electronics (www.alliedelec.com):
Catalog # 591-0510
GENERAL ELECTRIC CAPACITOR 97F9002
CAPACITOR, MOTOR RUN, OVAL, 10uf, 6% TOLERANCE, 370 VOLTS
$6.23 Ea.


YES, I know all about that one.(have it on in my stock shelf as a
matter of fact.)
First off it's a big ass aluminum can starter cap for heavy duty AC
motors, won't work for the tiny compressor motor I have,will most
likely either not start the motor or will burn up the windings.
what I need is a small solid state cap.(also works as a condenser
soaking up surges to avoid burning the fine windings out. That big
commercial cap won't do that.)
What I have is a small finish compressor a Senco PC1010 designed for
mini paint guns/air brushes and small air guns, the motor is 3/4
nominal output, 1hp peak.
Hell that GE can is nearly as big as the motor itself and certainly
wouldn't fit in the motor housing.(nor bolt comfortably on the outside
even if it could work.)
It's a simple ass little solid state(electronic) capacitor which 25
years ago could easily be gotten at any electronic supplier.




As far as the motor is concerned, a 10uF capacitor is a 10uF capacitor.
Yes mounting can be an issue of it's physically too large but
electrically it will work perfectly and in my experience the oil filled
caps are a lot more robust than the silly little epoxy block ones. I've
had several of those fail in refrigerators and window A/C units and I
always replace them with surplus oil filled units when space permits.
According to the people at Senco(the ones who make this motor btw)
using the larrge oil filled capacitor will result in a fried motor.
My contact at Grainger even said this.
If you go to the Senco site and look at their parts listings for this
unit you'll see it's listed as a condenser and functions not just to
kick start the motor but to act as a sink to absorb excess voltage as
well. I'm told the oil filled units won't do this and using one will
result in burned windings.
I'm not trying to get into an arguement or big debate, just find the
correct size cap for this unit.
Shouldn't be that difficult, afterall 10uf is a pretty common value
for an AC cap.
Not intererested in rubegoldberging this unit either.(not any placce
to affix such a large cap onto such a small unit anyway, I'd like to
keep this compressor just as it is, small and portable and easy to
carry around.

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:23:14 GMT, CJT wrote:

none wrote:

snip
what I need is a small solid state cap.snip

Define "solid state cap"
electrolytic, not oil filled. DUH

none wrote:

On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:23:14 GMT, CJT wrote:


none wrote:

snip

what I need is a small solid state cap.snip

Define "solid state cap"

electrolytic, not oil filled. DUH

FWIW, I've been dealing with capacitors for decades, and that's the
first time I've heard of an electrolytic being called that.

Your best bet is probably to get one from the authorized part dealer
you've already identified and, if UPS is such a big problem, prevail
upon him to ship it by some alternate means. Most people, if approached
nicely, will cooperate, especially if you point out that you're in
New Orleans.

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I don't really think you want an electrolytic capacitor in an AC
application. Most (not all) are DC rated and do not want to see a
reverse voltage. You can probably find a polyproplyne foil or film (in
that voltage and capacitance rating), or an oil filled that will work
fine.

wrote:
I don't really think you want an electrolytic capacitor in an AC
application. Most (not all) are DC rated and do not want to see a
reverse voltage. You can probably find a polyproplyne foil or film (in
that voltage and capacitance rating), or an oil filled that will work
fine.



The capacitors he's referring to are polypropylene, electrolytic caps
are often uses for starting induction motors but run caps are poly or
oil filled.

"James Sweet" wrote in message news:WmQdf.6233$Mr4.949@trnddc08...
wrote:
I don't really think you want an electrolytic capacitor in an AC
application. Most (not all) are DC rated and do not want to see a
reverse voltage. You can probably find a polyproplyne foil or film (in
that voltage and capacitance rating), or an oil filled that will work
fine.



The capacitors he's referring to are polypropylene, electrolytic caps are often uses for starting induction motors but
run caps are poly or oil filled.

Mouser has them in 200 and 400 volt ratings....Paul

http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?hand...uctid= 322828

http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?hand...uctid= 241854