Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson
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Obama clearly blames insurance companies for his mother's death
from cancer. One then has to wonder if this whole health bill
isn't a personal vendetta against private insurance companies?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Obama clearly blames insurance companies for his mother's death
from cancer. One then has to wonder if this whole health bill
isn't a personal vendetta against private insurance companies?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

Obama clearly blames insurance companies for his mother's death
from cancer. One then has to wonder if this whole health bill
isn't a personal vendetta against private insurance companies?

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like in
the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like in
the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like in
the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:48:33 -0400, RFI-EMI-GUY
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like in
the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

Why suspect only the free stuff?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:48:33 -0400, RFI-EMI-GUY
wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson" wrote in
message ...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like in
the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

Why suspect only the free stuff?

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old DVDs.

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old DVDs.

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old DVDs.

If that option is there, I have never noticed it.
Anyway, I have used Diskeeper automatic defrag for years, it uses free
system time to defrag in the back ground continuously. I'm sure that
makes a mess of any left over file data over time, but I wouldn't bet
the house on it.
The filling up unused space with data is pretty much what fileshredder
is doing to the disk when it scrubs the disk. From what I read, it just
fills up all the unused disk space with random data. You accomplish the
same thing without spending hours ripping DVDs.

What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:49:48 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).

They make nice door stops ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:49:48 -0400, Spehro Pefhany
wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).

They make nice door stops ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens |
| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
| E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 |

I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food

"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


Why waste space in locked storage for a 40M drive?!

Just run it through a few times with a 3/8" bit in a pillar drill and then
bin it.

"Spehro Pefhany" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


Why waste space in locked storage for a 40M drive?!

Just run it through a few times with a 3/8" bit in a pillar drill and then
bin it.

In article ,
what says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:


What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


Yep, me too.
I would rather take the loss on the drives than take a bigger loss down
the road. I basically threw $3K down the drain, rather than let those
drives out of my control. Now the suckers are less than a hundred bucks
a pop. I just started a program of swapping them as I could, or when
they failed. Fortunately, I never had two go at the same time, or I
would have had to break out the backups.

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by
an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old
DVDs.

If that option is there, I have never noticed it.
Anyway, I have used Diskeeper automatic defrag for years, it uses free
system time to defrag in the back ground continuously. I'm sure that
makes a mess of any left over file data over time, but I wouldn't bet
the house on it.
The filling up unused space with data is pretty much what fileshredder
is doing to the disk when it scrubs the disk. From what I read, it just
fills up all the unused disk space with random data. You accomplish the
same thing without spending hours ripping DVDs.

What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


http://www.videosift.com/video/Spy-c...acy-violations

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by
an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old
DVDs.

If that option is there, I have never noticed it.
Anyway, I have used Diskeeper automatic defrag for years, it uses free
system time to defrag in the back ground continuously. I'm sure that
makes a mess of any left over file data over time, but I wouldn't bet
the house on it.
The filling up unused space with data is pretty much what fileshredder
is doing to the disk when it scrubs the disk. From what I read, it just
fills up all the unused disk space with random data. You accomplish the
same thing without spending hours ripping DVDs.

What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


http://www.videosift.com/video/Spy-c...acy-violations

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:14:36 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

Somebody (Dell?) offers an additional-cost option where you can get
warranty service without returning the HDD. Don't know how they work
it, whether it's honor system or they require you to somehow disable
the old HDD in some verifiable manner.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:14:36 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

Somebody (Dell?) offers an additional-cost option where you can get
warranty service without returning the HDD. Don't know how they work
it, whether it's honor system or they require you to somehow disable
the old HDD in some verifiable manner.

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
In article , To-Email-Use-
says...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?

I only want to "wipe" old tax data and old medical records from this
PC.

...Jim Thompson


I know of several that allow you to toss files into a "shredder" that
does a wipe of the file during deletion, but I don't know of any that
will purge old data. Maybe undelete them and then shred them?

Ah, found one that says it will go over unused disk space and wipe it
too, and it is free.

http://www.fileshredder.org/


Doesn't defrag have a clear unused space option? - the space occupied by
an
erased file being marked as unused should then be cleared.

Another option is create a short term folder and fill it up with any old
CDs/DVDs found laying about until the remaining capacity is filled, then
delete the short term folder.

That way any attempt to recover deleted files only gets a bunch of old
DVDs.

If that option is there, I have never noticed it.
Anyway, I have used Diskeeper automatic defrag for years, it uses free
system time to defrag in the back ground continuously. I'm sure that
makes a mess of any left over file data over time, but I wouldn't bet
the house on it.
The filling up unused space with data is pretty much what fileshredder
is doing to the disk when it scrubs the disk. From what I read, it just
fills up all the unused disk space with random data. You accomplish the
same thing without spending hours ripping DVDs.

What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


http://www.videosift.com/video/Spy-c...acy-violations

Nice, that's why we bust them up and sometimes give them a dip in the
big solder pot to boot.
We send the pieces off to a metal recovery plant that grinds it all up
and recovers the various metals.

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


It may be just a rumor, but I've heard an acceptable military option is
to fire a .45 slug or two through the drive, case and all.

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


It may be just a rumor, but I've heard an acceptable military option is
to fire a .45 slug or two through the drive, case and all.

In article ,
what says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:14:36 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

Somebody (Dell?) offers an additional-cost option where you can get
warranty service without returning the HDD. Don't know how they work
it, whether it's honor system or they require you to somehow disable
the old HDD in some verifiable manner.

That's cool, but I guess there is a price when you build up a bleeding
edge system from scratch. 6 months later the parts are 1/3 the cost and
more stable.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:43:19 -0700, whirled peas
wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


It may be just a rumor, but I've heard an acceptable military option is
to fire a .45 slug or two through the drive, case and all.

That sounds hopelessly optimistic for any modern HDD and really
sensitive data (though it would certainly stop the most common kind of
snooper). Most of the surface of the disk will be intact and MOST of
the data could be recovered. Even an intact chunk a few mm in size
could contain a lot of data because the surface density of data is so
high.

I think a cement kiln or maybe a hammer mill with a small enough sieve
would be more effective and probably safer.

Even media that once contained top secret data is still considered top
secret after being 'sanitized'.

http://www.dsd.gov.au/_lib/pdf_doc/i...08_unclass.pdf

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:43:19 -0700, whirled peas
wrote:

Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:41:24 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

Once it has confidential info on it, I NEVER willingly allow a hard
drive to leave my control. Period. I still have at least one 40M
drive in locked storage (that's 40M, not 40G!).


It may be just a rumor, but I've heard an acceptable military option is
to fire a .45 slug or two through the drive, case and all.

That sounds hopelessly optimistic for any modern HDD and really
sensitive data (though it would certainly stop the most common kind of
snooper). Most of the surface of the disk will be intact and MOST of
the data could be recovered. Even an intact chunk a few mm in size
could contain a lot of data because the surface density of data is so
high.

I think a cement kiln or maybe a hammer mill with a small enough sieve
would be more effective and probably safer.

Even media that once contained top secret data is still considered top
secret after being 'sanitized'.

http://www.dsd.gov.au/_lib/pdf_doc/i...08_unclass.pdf

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:43:48 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:14:36 -0400, WangoTango
wrote:

In article ,
says...

"WangoTango" wrote in message
k.net...
[snip]
What bugs me is what do to with a new drive that fails under warranty.
If you send it in for repair, you are sending your data off to some
anonymous guy in a repair center. The only really secure option is to
bite the bullet and physically destroy a new drive. If you don't think
that happens all that often, just google "Seagate 1TB drive failures".
I have two high end work stations running 4TB striped/mirrored RAID
arrays, and 2 new backup blank drives for swapping. Of those 12 1TB
drives 10 of them died within 3 months. What do you do? Send off
chunks of confidential customer and in house information to the repair
center or destroy the drive?

Jim


Were the 10 failed ones all Seagate?

Bob

Every f'in one of them.
All bought at the same time, all died within 3 months.
1TB Barracuda Interal Drives.
From what I read, firmware issues, so the data is still there.
Even more of a reason to NOT let them go.
I didn't lose any data, I am a stickler for backing up and I never had
more than one drive fail on a stripe at once, so I swapped the drives as
they failed and the array rebuilt on the fly.

Somebody (Dell?) offers an additional-cost option where you can get
warranty service without returning the HDD. Don't know how they work
it, whether it's honor system or they require you to somehow disable
the old HDD in some verifiable manner.

That's cool, but I guess there is a price when you build up a bleeding
edge system from scratch. 6 months later the parts are 1/3 the cost and
more stable.

Irritating, isn't it? My striped RAID system with dual 10K RPM disks
is almost matched in speed by a single WD 'AALS' drive costing $75 (a
couple of years later, but 1/4 the price).

"ian field" wrote in message
...
Why waste space in locked storage for a 40M drive?!

Just run it through a few times with a 3/8" bit in a pillar drill and then
bin it.

I prefer thermite.

It should also be sufficient to heat the media to the curie point (or run it
over with a strong degausser). Neither works very well with the case
together, but anyone with a torx bit can get inside at the expense of less
than a minute's labor.

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

"ian field" wrote in message
...
Why waste space in locked storage for a 40M drive?!

Just run it through a few times with a 3/8" bit in a pillar drill and then
bin it.

I prefer thermite.

It should also be sufficient to heat the media to the curie point (or run it
over with a strong degausser). Neither works very well with the case
together, but anyone with a torx bit can get inside at the expense of less
than a minute's labor.

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms

"RFI-EMI-GUY" wrote in message
ng.com...
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson"
wrote in message
...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's
free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like
in the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

Eraser at least is open source which goes a long ways to addressing
that concern.

"RFI-EMI-GUY" wrote in message
ng.com...
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:33:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson"
wrote in message
...
Is there a "wipedisk" product that will only wipe "erased" files?
I've used "Eraser" for this purpose: http://eraser.heidi.ie/ (it's
free).

---Joel


Thanks! I'll check it out.

...Jim Thompson

One has to wonder if the free stuff is engineered by NSA hacks like
in the Swiss Crypto AG scam.

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Use only Genuine Interocitor Parts" Tom Servo ;-P

Eraser at least is open source which goes a long ways to addressing
that concern.