I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

I wonder if you have a seized bearing. My porter cable was doing the same
thing till I freed up one of the main bearings


"Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

I wonder if you have a seized bearing. My porter cable was doing the same
thing till I freed up one of the main bearings


"Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

If I were going to buy another RO sander I'd buy a Bosch 5 or 6" I've used
all of the big makers sanders and much prefer the Bosch
"Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

If I were going to buy another RO sander I'd buy a Bosch 5 or 6" I've used
all of the big makers sanders and much prefer the Bosch
"Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

Do not apply pressure. You should only let the weight of the sander do the
work. If the sander is not removing material fast enough for you may need
more aggressive paper or to move up in power to a right angle style ROS.

.."Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

Do not apply pressure. You should only let the weight of the sander do the
work. If the sander is not removing material fast enough for you may need
more aggressive paper or to move up in power to a right angle style ROS.

.."Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

Andy wrote:
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy
Have you used this for a while? Maybe your brushes are shot.

TWS

Andy wrote:
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy
Have you used this for a while? Maybe your brushes are shot.

TWS

Second Leon's thinking. If you're bearing down so hard that the sander
struggles, you're probaly removing too much material anyway. Lighten up and
go to a heavier grit, e.g., start with 80 and progress to 120, 150, 180 etc.
Yeah, it takes a litle longer, but refinishing to remove those scratches
that only show up after the second coat is a real PITA, eh?
I've had two DeWalt sanders and have liked them both, esp. the rip & replace
paper.

Bob

"Leon" wrote in message
om...
Do not apply pressure. You should only let the weight of the sander do
the work. If the sander is not removing material fast enough for you may
need more aggressive paper or to move up in power to a right angle style
ROS.

."Andy" wrote in message
om...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 03:13:16 GMT, TWS vaguely
proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

remove ns from my header address to reply via email

If you want a _random_ sander, where's the problem deciding? G

Andy wrote:
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy
Have you used this for a while? Maybe your brushes are shot.

TWS

************************************************** ***
I know I am wrong about just about everything. So I
am not going to listen when I am told I am wrong about
the things I know I am right about.

Andy,

As for replacing the sander, you never mentioned if it was round,
1/4 or 1/3 sheet ? Now depending on what/how big of a piece you are
sanding will determine what you get. I have all three sanders which I
use for both automotive and woodworking sanding projects. If you are
using the sander for small projects, the round or 1/4 sheet palm
sander would be fine. On the other hand, if you are doing table tops
or armoir's ( sp? ) then the bigger sander is the one to go with.

The one big kicker for me is how noisy the sander is, not so much how
big the motor is. Cheap sanders won't last as long and are REALLY
noisy, plus a better sander will vibrate less in your hands giving you
more control. If you do any amount of sanding at all it's worth it
to go more expensive and find a sander that's quiet. The one I have
at the moment that I LOVE is my Bosch. Compared to every other
sander I have used it's the least noisy.

As for it slowing down and stopping I would say that your brushes
may be getting a little worn, it may be time to replace your RO.
Unless you really like it and want to spend the money to have the
motor rebuilt. Most alternator/starter repair shops have the ability
to rebuild your motor. They will also re cut your stator winding
grooves and when you get it back it should be powerful as it was when
new. Now like someone else said, pull it apart and make sure it's not
a bushing or bearing that's gone. They don't last forever.

Hope this helps, good luck.

Todd



(Andy) wrote in message . com...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

(Todd) wrote in
om:

Cheap sanders won't last as long and are REALLY
noisy, plus a better sander will vibrate less in your hands giving
more control. If you do any amount of sanding at all it's worth
it
to go more expensive and find a sander that's quiet. The one I
have
at the moment that I LOVE is my Bosch.

I'll echo this. We have several sanders on hand, including some cheap
ones received as gifts or bought for one-off projects, etc. Over the
years I've melted down several B&D or equivalent 1/2 sheet sanders,
all of which are made entirely of cheap plastic and quite literally
melt with use. Unless someone's given it to you, I'd avoid B&D,
Skill, etc. as next to useless (though they will sand a few items in
a pinch before failing).

Much higher on my list are consumer models from reputable tool
makers. Right now we have a Makita palm sander and a Bosch 5" RO
sander we've been using a lot on a remodel project and in some
furniture building. Both work well, are comfortable to use for longer
periods, and seem sturdy enough to last a while. I expect the same
goes for the Dewalt, PC, etc. brands at similar price points ($50 for
the palms, $100 for the RO, give or take).

If you're able to bog down the "Tim the Toolman" sander that easily,
I'd give it away before it melts and go buy something a step or two
better...it'll save you trouble in the near future.

-Derek

Thanks for all the replies. It's a 5" round. Most of my jobs are
small, but I do wish I had a belt sander sometimes like when I was
trying to strip paint off of my porch (only about 100sq.ft). I was
using 80 or 50 grit but it still wasn't working. I apply as much
pressure as if I were doing it by hand, so I don't know if that's
excessive. The weight of the sander alone definitely is not enough
unless it's finishing work. Perhaps I need a belt sander instead of a
more powerful RO sander.

(Todd) wrote in message . com...
Andy,

As for replacing the sander, you never mentioned if it was round,
1/4 or 1/3 sheet ? Now depending on what/how big of a piece you are
sanding will determine what you get. I have all three sanders which I
use for both automotive and woodworking sanding projects. If you are
using the sander for small projects, the round or 1/4 sheet palm
sander would be fine. On the other hand, if you are doing table tops
or armoir's ( sp? ) then the bigger sander is the one to go with.

The one big kicker for me is how noisy the sander is, not so much how
big the motor is. Cheap sanders won't last as long and are REALLY
noisy, plus a better sander will vibrate less in your hands giving you
more control. If you do any amount of sanding at all it's worth it
to go more expensive and find a sander that's quiet. The one I have
at the moment that I LOVE is my Bosch. Compared to every other
sander I have used it's the least noisy.

As for it slowing down and stopping I would say that your brushes
may be getting a little worn, it may be time to replace your RO.
Unless you really like it and want to spend the money to have the
motor rebuilt. Most alternator/starter repair shops have the ability
to rebuild your motor. They will also re cut your stator winding
grooves and when you get it back it should be powerful as it was when
new. Now like someone else said, pull it apart and make sure it's not
a bushing or bearing that's gone. They don't last forever.

Hope this helps, good luck.

Todd



(Andy) wrote in message . com...
I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.
Andy

"Todd" wrote in message
om...

As for it slowing down and stopping I would say that your brushes
may be getting a little worn, it may be time to replace your RO.

Well, if his brushes are getting a little worn, they are acting like they
should. All brushes wear and motors don't run poorly because they start to
wear. It certainly is not a sign that he needs a new sander. Oh wait a
minute - my bad... of course, it *is* a reason for a new sander. I forgot
for a moment the line that goes "hey Hun, I need a new sander, this old POS
that I've been using is wearing out the brushes." Ok, so I can be a little
slow on the uptake sometimes...


--

-Mike-

Subject

Sanding is a total PITA, thus bigger is better IMHO.

I have a 6" Bosch that gets no respect.

Building a boat, I beat the crap out of it and it just comes back for more.

When it's time to replace it, will get another Bosch or maybe the 8" Fein.

There are both German, you can't go wrong with either one.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
news
Subject

Sanding is a total PITA, thus bigger is better IMHO.

I have a 6" Bosch that gets no respect.

Building a boat, I beat the crap out of it and it just comes back for
more.

When it's time to replace it, will get another Bosch or maybe the 8" Fein.

There are both German, you can't go wrong with either one.

Lew



Hey Lew - have you ever used an 8" machine? If you have, ignore the rest of
what I have to say, but if you haven't then let me say that you won't want
to replace a 6" tool with an 8" tool. (intentionally leaving that wide
open...). I'd go with both in my inventory if I were you. 8" is great for
knocking down big stuff and for overall leveling, but it won't get in where
6" will and it gets unwieldy after a while.
--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" writes:

Hey Lew - have you ever used an 8" machine?

Actually, I use a 9" right angle machine equipped /w/ 16 grit disks as my
basic fiberglass sanding tool.

Trust me, it can be a bear some days.

If you have, ignore the rest of
what I have to say, but if you haven't then let me say that you won't want
to replace a 6" tool with an 8" tool. (intentionally leaving that wide
open...).

Naw, naw, won't ignore you.

I'd go with both in my inventory if I were you. 8" is great for
knocking down big stuff and for overall leveling, but it won't get in
where
6" will and it gets unwieldy after a while.

That's why Fein makes a detail sander, IMHO.

Far more useful than any ROS , IMHO.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Mike Marlow" writes:

Hey Lew - have you ever used an 8" machine?

Actually, I use a 9" right angle machine equipped /w/ 16 grit disks as my
basic fiberglass sanding tool.

Trust me, it can be a bear some days.

If you have, ignore the rest of
what I have to say, but if you haven't then let me say that you won't
want
to replace a 6" tool with an 8" tool. (intentionally leaving that wide
open...).

Naw, naw, won't ignore you.

I'd go with both in my inventory if I were you. 8" is great for
knocking down big stuff and for overall leveling, but it won't get in
where
6" will and it gets unwieldy after a while.

That's why Fein makes a detail sander, IMHO.

Lew, is the Fein detail sander really that much better than the cheaper
types? Not looking to start a war here, but my cheapie Ryobi seems to do
pretty good for what I need it for.

--
Nahmie
The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts.

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 06:42:09 -0400, "Norman D. Crow"
wrote:


snip



That's why Fein makes a detail sander, IMHO.

Lew, is the Fein detail sander really that much better than the cheaper
types? Not looking to start a war here, but my cheapie Ryobi seems to do
pretty good for what I need it for.


it is. I've had both....

"Norman D. Crow writes:

Lew, is the Fein detail sander really that much better than the cheaper
types? Not looking to start a war here, but my cheapie Ryobi seems to do
pretty good for what I need it for.

Once you use the Fein, you'll never go back.

Lew

On 27 Sep 2004 06:07:14 -0700, (Andy) wrote:

Thanks for all the replies. It's a 5" round. Most of my jobs are
small, but I do wish I had a belt sander sometimes like when I was
trying to strip paint off of my porch (only about 100sq.ft). I was
using 80 or 50 grit but it still wasn't working. I apply as much
pressure as if I were doing it by hand, so I don't know if that's
excessive. The weight of the sander alone definitely is not enough
unless it's finishing work. Perhaps I need a belt sander instead of a
more powerful RO sander.


Just to reiterate what has been said befo you are using too much
pressure. The weight of the ROS is about all the force that you need.
Iy you need more force, then you are probably using the wrong tool. A
5" sander IS definitely undersized for stripping paint from 100 sq.
ft. It is more suited for finish work, as you surmised. You're right
in thinking that a belt sander is more appropriate for this type of
heavy duty.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wgoffe...oodworking.htm

On 25 Sep 2004 17:06:21 -0700, (Andy) wrote:

I currently have a "Tim Tayler Signature" (I know, wow!) RO sander. It
has a 2.4A motor and 12,500 orbits/minute. When I apply pressure the
sander slows down and/or stops completely. My first thought is I need
a more powerful motor. But looking at what's currently available,
other than the real expensive ones, most motors aren't even 2.4A. So
what's the deal, is it a feature that the motor slows to prevent me
from scratching my work? Is it a common problem among all RO sanders?
I have had no reliability problems with this sander so I need to
justify replacing it. Thanks.


I never had good luck with any of them. You can get a real nice
ergonomic sanding block for about $3 and a cabinet scraper for about
$8... They never bog down, and you can get as nice a finish as you
could ever want! That being said, I have found a whole pile of
uses for my belt sander, and that can do a lot of the rough work in a
hurry if a piece is really gnarled.

Somebody wrote:

Thanks for all the replies. It's a 5" round. Most of my jobs are
small, but I do wish I had a belt sander sometimes like when I was
trying to strip paint off of my porch (only about 100sq.ft). I was
using 80 or 50 grit but it still wasn't working.

You are asking a boy to do a man's job.

Use a chemical paint stripper to get rid of the heavy stuff followed by some
quality time with that baby (5") ROS equipped with some 40 grit paper.

The only reason I don't suggest 24 grit is because they don't make it for a
smaller ROS.

After it's cleaned up, follow up with some 80/100 grit before painting.

Unless you are skilled with a belt sander (Read that you have experience
destroying lots of things with a belt sander), forget it.

I do a lot of sanding.

The least used sanding tool I have is a belt sander.

HTH

Lew

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:44:12 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
calmly ranted:

Somebody wrote:

Thanks for all the replies. It's a 5" round. Most of my jobs are
small, but I do wish I had a belt sander sometimes like when I was
trying to strip paint off of my porch (only about 100sq.ft). I was
using 80 or 50 grit but it still wasn't working.

You are asking a boy to do a man's job.

Use a chemical paint stripper to get rid of the heavy stuff followed by some
quality time with that baby (5") ROS equipped with some 40 grit paper.

Or sit down with a putty knife and heat gun. It takes it down to
nearly bare wood in no time at all.


Unless you are skilled with a belt sander (Read that you have experience
destroying lots of things with a belt sander), forget it.

Yeah, a belt sandah can put a trench in wood in a hurry.


I do a lot of sanding.

Mostly on epoxy on your teensy toy boat, right?


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