Went to IWF 2004. Quite impressed. It was in the 3 buildings of the
Georga World Congress Center. These are large buildings and I would
have to think for a while of how they compare to the Las Vegas
Convention Center. These convention centers in the various cities are
now very large affairs indeed.

Many of the suppliers we know were represented: Porter Cable, Makita,
Dewalt, Delta, Lee Valley, 3M, Mirka, Triton, Mohawk, Freud, Franklin,
Lie-Nielsen, Starrett, etc.

Lee Valley has their new large shoulder plain on display. Quite nice.
I think it would be very nice to clean up tenon faces and larger
surfaces. It has 2 wood handles instead of the single brass handle of
the medium shoulder plane. I saw their Mark II power sharpener. It
was a lot more "hefty" than it looks in the catalog.

Asked the guys at Porter Cable and Delta what they thought about the
sale to Black & Decker. They seemed to be very happy about it. They
thought it was better to be owned by a company that wanted them. The
biggest thing I saw was a Delta competitive saw to the Dewalt
Woodworker table saw and the Jet "Supersaw". It looked like a little
brother to the Unisaw. Porter Cable is pushing their air orbital
sander. Really looks nice--light and low profile-- but it is for
professionals. It will take quite a bit of air to operate. They had
it on a 5 cfm @ 90 psi compressor, but the specs for any continuous
use would seem to require more.

Asked the Delta people what they thought of the right-left tilt
contoversy. The ones that have had experience with both have come
back to the right tilt. Mostly due to their experience with the right
tilt.

Seems like the prices are notching up for several of the table saws.
The Unisaw seems like it has taken a $100 jump in this last year.
Grizzly indicates that they are going to take a jump also on their 10
inch table saws in the next year--better take advantage of those
summer sales, guys.

Franklin indicated that there was quite a concern about Wood
Magazine's review of their Titebond III glue. They took Wood on a
plant tour and reviewed with them the industry standard adhesive
tests. There has to be industry standard tests that allow adhesives
to be compared, but I slso wonder if these industry tests really
result in a true comparison in how the adhesives are used.
From my prospective it seems that the Wood Magazine tests were
"reasonable" even it they did not reflect the "industry standard".
Possibly the industry standard tests need to be confirmed that they
represent real world applications.

Looked at the Lie Nelson planes. I don't own one, so I can't comment
in detail, but it seems to me, based on the shoulder planes, that Lee
Valley has one up on them for ease of handling. I tried the Lie
Neilson shoulder plane. I much preferred Lee Valley's version. It
fit my hand naturally where I was left wondering how to hold the Lie
Neilsen shoulder plane. Also, the small Stanley copies probably were
true to the design, but I wondered if they could have been designed to
fit the hand better. It was hard to hold them and clear the
components of the plane.

Grizzly was there. I have never seen Grizzly at a show (even AWFS in
Anaheim). I was interested in the 10" table saws. They were pretty
saws. VERY substantial!! I was impressed. Delta has some
competition. Without a test comparison, I think the Delta only has
its history to fall back on. This saw has substantial internal
components. I just wonder how the Grizzly compares to fit and finish
when it is received.

Freud discussed their dados--SD 208, 508 and 608. These are designed
for improving dados in the new 1/32 faced plywoods. The SD 308
"safety dado" series is still best for solid woods with its positive
hook teeth. (I hate that name--safety dado.)

For the production people. The powder coat on MDF is going to be big.
MDF Powder Coat Systems and several other manufacturers are going to
be working this area. Really cool technology. Equipment is being
sold, but many people will want to try it "before they buy it" and
therefore contract manufacturers will be necessary.

Triton had several of their products being shown including the router.
Triton also had a small production circular saw station to cut square
steel box stock (like the legs on a Delta saw extension table). It
was safe, resulted in a cool cut and was interesting, but seemed to be
very specialized. For the average guy, I would be more interested in
knowing where the cool pre-painted stock could be bought in the States
and I would use a standard hacksaw to cut it.

The new abrasives are interesting. Many are based on abrasive
material bonded to woven material. This results in improved dust
extraction because the dust can be sucked through the woven material.
It appears that controversy abounds in what (in aluminum oxide,
silicon carbide or zirconium oxide) is sharpest, has the best
friability (for wood), creates the smoothest surface and lasts the
longest. I think I have been confused in talking to the people in the
booths. It would be nice to have a definitive review of the various
materials that all the manufacturers agree with.

Mohawk and Wood Finisher's Supply had large booths describing ways of
fixing wood blemishes. Both of their booths were very instructional.
They both showed how a blemish could be irradicated with their
products.

Anyway, that is a part of the show that interested me.

Thanks for a great description of he various stuff at the show . I live in
town but did no go, cant think of anything I need or can afford these days .
the last ime I went I found the booth that was feeding raw material and
ending up the other end with finished doors rather nausiating.....mjh

Was Delta or Lee Valley offering ant sweet deals? I'm waiting to buy a
Delta 14" 1.5 HP bandsaw at the woodworking show in Denver this
November.....

I repect your personal choice witht e Lee Valley verus Lie-Nielson
shoulde rplane. I have just the opposite opinion -- Lie-Neilson
"anything" rules. I own both and Lee Valley is good but Lie-Nielson
feels better to me...

Did you look at the Lie-Neilson chisels? Wondering how they stack
up....

Regarding the glue tests, any clue why Gorilla glue wasn't included in
the article -- did Franklin/Titebond pay them not to?

(Eric Anderson) wrote in message . com...
Went to IWF 2004. Quite impressed. It was in the 3 buildings of the
Georga World Congress Center. These are large buildings and I would
have to think for a while of how they compare to the Las Vegas
Convention Center. These convention centers in the various cities are
now very large affairs indeed.

Many of the suppliers we know were represented: Porter Cable, Makita,
Dewalt, Delta, Lee Valley, 3M, Mirka, Triton, Mohawk, Freud, Franklin,
Lie-Nielsen, Starrett, etc.

Lee Valley has their new large shoulder plain on display. Quite nice.
I think it would be very nice to clean up tenon faces and larger
surfaces. It has 2 wood handles instead of the single brass handle of
the medium shoulder plane. I saw their Mark II power sharpener. It
was a lot more "hefty" than it looks in the catalog.

Asked the guys at Porter Cable and Delta what they thought about the
sale to Black & Decker. They seemed to be very happy about it. They
thought it was better to be owned by a company that wanted them. The
biggest thing I saw was a Delta competitive saw to the Dewalt
Woodworker table saw and the Jet "Supersaw". It looked like a little
brother to the Unisaw. Porter Cable is pushing their air orbital
sander. Really looks nice--light and low profile-- but it is for
professionals. It will take quite a bit of air to operate. They had
it on a 5 cfm @ 90 psi compressor, but the specs for any continuous
use would seem to require more.

Asked the Delta people what they thought of the right-left tilt
contoversy. The ones that have had experience with both have come
back to the right tilt. Mostly due to their experience with the right
tilt.

Seems like the prices are notching up for several of the table saws.
The Unisaw seems like it has taken a $100 jump in this last year.
Grizzly indicates that they are going to take a jump also on their 10
inch table saws in the next year--better take advantage of those
summer sales, guys.

Franklin indicated that there was quite a concern about Wood
Magazine's review of their Titebond III glue. They took Wood on a
plant tour and reviewed with them the industry standard adhesive
tests. There has to be industry standard tests that allow adhesives
to be compared, but I slso wonder if these industry tests really
result in a true comparison in how the adhesives are used.
From my prospective it seems that the Wood Magazine tests were
"reasonable" even it they did not reflect the "industry standard".
Possibly the industry standard tests need to be confirmed that they
represent real world applications.

Looked at the Lie Nelson planes. I don't own one, so I can't comment
in detail, but it seems to me, based on the shoulder planes, that Lee
Valley has one up on them for ease of handling. I tried the Lie
Neilson shoulder plane. I much preferred Lee Valley's version. It
fit my hand naturally where I was left wondering how to hold the Lie
Neilsen shoulder plane. Also, the small Stanley copies probably were
true to the design, but I wondered if they could have been designed to
fit the hand better. It was hard to hold them and clear the
components of the plane.

Grizzly was there. I have never seen Grizzly at a show (even AWFS in
Anaheim). I was interested in the 10" table saws. They were pretty
saws. VERY substantial!! I was impressed. Delta has some
competition. Without a test comparison, I think the Delta only has
its history to fall back on. This saw has substantial internal
components. I just wonder how the Grizzly compares to fit and finish
when it is received.

Freud discussed their dados--SD 208, 508 and 608. These are designed
for improving dados in the new 1/32 faced plywoods. The SD 308
"safety dado" series is still best for solid woods with its positive
hook teeth. (I hate that name--safety dado.)

For the production people. The powder coat on MDF is going to be big.
MDF Powder Coat Systems and several other manufacturers are going to
be working this area. Really cool technology. Equipment is being
sold, but many people will want to try it "before they buy it" and
therefore contract manufacturers will be necessary.

Triton had several of their products being shown including the router.
Triton also had a small production circular saw station to cut square
steel box stock (like the legs on a Delta saw extension table). It
was safe, resulted in a cool cut and was interesting, but seemed to be
very specialized. For the average guy, I would be more interested in
knowing where the cool pre-painted stock could be bought in the States
and I would use a standard hacksaw to cut it.

The new abrasives are interesting. Many are based on abrasive
material bonded to woven material. This results in improved dust
extraction because the dust can be sucked through the woven material.
It appears that controversy abounds in what (in aluminum oxide,
silicon carbide or zirconium oxide) is sharpest, has the best
friability (for wood), creates the smoothest surface and lasts the
longest. I think I have been confused in talking to the people in the
booths. It would be nice to have a definitive review of the various
materials that all the manufacturers agree with.

Mohawk and Wood Finisher's Supply had large booths describing ways of
fixing wood blemishes. Both of their booths were very instructional.
They both showed how a blemish could be irradicated with their
products.

Anyway, that is a part of the show that interested me.

(Never Enough Money) wrote in
om:

snip
Did you look at the Lie-Neilson chisels? Wondering how they stack
up....

snip

If your handle is at all correct, you're gonna have a problem with the
chisels. (US$250, + taxes) On the other hand, they are FABULOUS chisels.

At least to look at. When I look at using one, I have to think about
whether the project at hand is worthy of them. One of 'the others' is
often used instead.

Mine have been SS'd to 3M (automotive) 1500, however, and stropped on
leather.

I'm working up to this, OK?

Patriarch

Since I have not used Lie-Nielson, I can't comment much, but they are
sure pretty. Geez, I knew I would start to find some things I missed.
No, I did not even look for the chisels.

The Gorilla Glue was tested. It was one of the 3 glues recommended
and one of the 2 for external use. I am not a big proponent of
Gorilla glue, but it is good for gluing dissimilar materials.

As far as deals go, I was disappointed. I did not expect much in the
way of things being sold at the show (typical of true trade shows),
but where there were things being sold, I was not impressed with the
deals. I bought some touchup sticks from Mowhawk, but otherwise I
just observed. There may have been some deals somewhere, but not on
things I asked about. (Maybe the Lie-Nielson chisels were 50% off and
I missed them??) Lee Valley had the free shipping and a set of their
spoke shaves on a 3-for sale. As I recall, that deal was pretty good.
What gets me is the lack of knowledge of the prices of products. I
realize that volume and other things affect the ultimate price, but
many times the people manning the booths could not even give me the
breadbox/battleship price.


(Never Enough Money) wrote in message . com...
Was Delta or Lee Valley offering ant sweet deals? I'm waiting to buy a
Delta 14" 1.5 HP bandsaw at the woodworking show in Denver this
November.....

I repect your personal choice witht e Lee Valley verus Lie-Nielson
shoulde rplane. I have just the opposite opinion -- Lie-Neilson
"anything" rules. I own both and Lee Valley is good but Lie-Nielson
feels better to me...

Did you look at the Lie-Neilson chisels? Wondering how they stack
up....

Regarding the glue tests, any clue why Gorilla glue wasn't included in
the article -- did Franklin/Titebond pay them not to?

(Eric Anderson) wrote in message . com...
Went to IWF 2004. Quite impressed. It was in the 3 buildings of the
Georga World Congress Center. These are large buildings and I would
have to think for a while of how they compare to the Las Vegas
Convention Center. These convention centers in the various cities are
now very large affairs indeed.

Many of the suppliers we know were represented: Porter Cable, Makita,
Dewalt, Delta, Lee Valley, 3M, Mirka, Triton, Mohawk, Freud, Franklin,
Lie-Nielsen, Starrett, etc.

Lee Valley has their new large shoulder plain on display. Quite nice.
I think it would be very nice to clean up tenon faces and larger
surfaces. It has 2 wood handles instead of the single brass handle of
the medium shoulder plane. I saw their Mark II power sharpener. It
was a lot more "hefty" than it looks in the catalog.

Asked the guys at Porter Cable and Delta what they thought about the
sale to Black & Decker. They seemed to be very happy about it. They
thought it was better to be owned by a company that wanted them. The
biggest thing I saw was a Delta competitive saw to the Dewalt
Woodworker table saw and the Jet "Supersaw". It looked like a little
brother to the Unisaw. Porter Cable is pushing their air orbital
sander. Really looks nice--light and low profile-- but it is for
professionals. It will take quite a bit of air to operate. They had
it on a 5 cfm @ 90 psi compressor, but the specs for any continuous
use would seem to require more.

Asked the Delta people what they thought of the right-left tilt
contoversy. The ones that have had experience with both have come
back to the right tilt. Mostly due to their experience with the right
tilt.

Seems like the prices are notching up for several of the table saws.
The Unisaw seems like it has taken a $100 jump in this last year.
Grizzly indicates that they are going to take a jump also on their 10
inch table saws in the next year--better take advantage of those
summer sales, guys.

Franklin indicated that there was quite a concern about Wood
Magazine's review of their Titebond III glue. They took Wood on a
plant tour and reviewed with them the industry standard adhesive
tests. There has to be industry standard tests that allow adhesives
to be compared, but I slso wonder if these industry tests really
result in a true comparison in how the adhesives are used.
From my prospective it seems that the Wood Magazine tests were
"reasonable" even it they did not reflect the "industry standard".
Possibly the industry standard tests need to be confirmed that they
represent real world applications.

Looked at the Lie Nelson planes. I don't own one, so I can't comment
in detail, but it seems to me, based on the shoulder planes, that Lee
Valley has one up on them for ease of handling. I tried the Lie
Neilson shoulder plane. I much preferred Lee Valley's version. It
fit my hand naturally where I was left wondering how to hold the Lie
Neilsen shoulder plane. Also, the small Stanley copies probably were
true to the design, but I wondered if they could have been designed to
fit the hand better. It was hard to hold them and clear the
components of the plane.

Grizzly was there. I have never seen Grizzly at a show (even AWFS in
Anaheim). I was interested in the 10" table saws. They were pretty
saws. VERY substantial!! I was impressed. Delta has some
competition. Without a test comparison, I think the Delta only has
its history to fall back on. This saw has substantial internal
components. I just wonder how the Grizzly compares to fit and finish
when it is received.

Freud discussed their dados--SD 208, 508 and 608. These are designed
for improving dados in the new 1/32 faced plywoods. The SD 308
"safety dado" series is still best for solid woods with its positive
hook teeth. (I hate that name--safety dado.)

For the production people. The powder coat on MDF is going to be big.
MDF Powder Coat Systems and several other manufacturers are going to
be working this area. Really cool technology. Equipment is being
sold, but many people will want to try it "before they buy it" and
therefore contract manufacturers will be necessary.

Triton had several of their products being shown including the router.
Triton also had a small production circular saw station to cut square
steel box stock (like the legs on a Delta saw extension table). It
was safe, resulted in a cool cut and was interesting, but seemed to be
very specialized. For the average guy, I would be more interested in
knowing where the cool pre-painted stock could be bought in the States
and I would use a standard hacksaw to cut it.

The new abrasives are interesting. Many are based on abrasive
material bonded to woven material. This results in improved dust
extraction because the dust can be sucked through the woven material.
It appears that controversy abounds in what (in aluminum oxide,
silicon carbide or zirconium oxide) is sharpest, has the best
friability (for wood), creates the smoothest surface and lasts the
longest. I think I have been confused in talking to the people in the
booths. It would be nice to have a definitive review of the various
materials that all the manufacturers agree with.

Mohawk and Wood Finisher's Supply had large booths describing ways of
fixing wood blemishes. Both of their booths were very instructional.
They both showed how a blemish could be irradicated with their
products.

Anyway, that is a part of the show that interested me.

Most of the folks in the booths have never sold a
single thing "directly" to the customer. Most of the
folks I saw only deal with distributors and only have
"vague" ideas of price...

I'm told that late Sunday is "deal" time but only for
what's in the booth.

Eric Anderson wrote:


As far as deals go, I was disappointed. I did not expect much in the
way of things being sold at the show (typical of true trade shows),
but where there were things being sold, I was not impressed with the
deals. I bought some touchup sticks from Mowhawk, but otherwise I
just observed. There may have been some deals somewhere, but not on
things I asked about. (Maybe the Lie-Nielson chisels were 50% off and
I missed them??) Lee Valley had the free shipping and a set of their
spoke shaves on a 3-for sale. As I recall, that deal was pretty good.
What gets me is the lack of knowledge of the prices of products. I
realize that volume and other things affect the ultimate price, but
many times the people manning the booths could not even give me the
breadbox/battleship price.

Oh, forgot. Dewalt has a 16 ga 12/14 (can use either) & 18 volt
nailer that uses an inertial flywheel mechanizm. Quite nice and works
very well. Somewhat heavy for long term use, however.

Pat Barber wrote in message ...
Most of the folks in the booths have never sold a
single thing "directly" to the customer. Most of the
folks I saw only deal with distributors and only have
"vague" ideas of price...

I'm told that late Sunday is "deal" time but only for
what's in the booth.

Eric Anderson wrote:


As far as deals go, I was disappointed. I did not expect much in the
way of things being sold at the show (typical of true trade shows),
but where there were things being sold, I was not impressed with the
deals. I bought some touchup sticks from Mowhawk, but otherwise I
just observed. There may have been some deals somewhere, but not on
things I asked about. (Maybe the Lie-Nielson chisels were 50% off and
I missed them??) Lee Valley had the free shipping and a set of their
spoke shaves on a 3-for sale. As I recall, that deal was pretty good.
What gets me is the lack of knowledge of the prices of products. I
realize that volume and other things affect the ultimate price, but
many times the people manning the booths could not even give me the
breadbox/battleship price.