By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:50:39 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)

Hint: The correct answer is, "Why, yes, I do have cordless Festools."
;-)

-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:41:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

Are there any bearings inside of that thing? ;-)

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:41:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

Are there any bearings inside of that thing? ;-)

Bearings? Why would there be bearings? All it does is suck. ;-)

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:46:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:41:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

Are there any bearings inside of that thing? ;-)

Bearings? Why would there be bearings? All it does is suck. ;-)

The bearings would be for Jack to complain about.

On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in. And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust. Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges. ;~)

On 3/14/2018 8:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:41:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

Are there any bearings inside of that thing? ;-)


No just bushings cause those are better when a bearing is not needed.

On 3/14/2018 8:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)


You can say that but the tools mostly paid for them selves after only a
few big pieces of furniture.

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.Â* And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.Â* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.Â* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:46:51 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:59:57 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:41:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:58:04 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see. :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit. I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.

The third-hand attachment is kinda cute, too.

https://www.festoolusa.com/products/dust-extraction/vacuum-clamping-nozzle/500312---ct-w#Overview

Are there any bearings inside of that thing? ;-)

Bearings? Why would there be bearings? All it does is suck. ;-)

The bearings would be for Jack to complain about.

Wwwwooooosssshhh. Now I'm on the same page. blush

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:38:37 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.*** :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



he casts

Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in. And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

he reels

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust. Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges. ;~)

in the net

On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.*** :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.* And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini. ;-)

On 3/15/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.Â* And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.Â* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.Â* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini. ;-)


That's the smallest one that still does wet.
$600 after tax. Not sure it's worth it.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:45:24 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/15/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.*** :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.* And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini. ;-)


That's the smallest one that still does wet.
$600 after tax. Not sure it's worth it.

Keep listening to Leon.

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:42:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 8:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)


You can say that but the tools mostly paid for them selves after only a
few big pieces of furniture.

True, but the math still says you helped pay for the free stuff they give away. Each little
piece of what you paid "extra" to cover the cost of the give-always is that much less you
made on the stuff you sold. You could sell a thousand of those gorgeous bedroom sets
and you still wouldn't recover the buck or two extra you paid to cover part of the $200 worth
of stuff they give to all those visitors to the green truck.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:50:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:42:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 8:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)


You can say that but the tools mostly paid for them selves after only a
few big pieces of furniture.

True, but the math still says you helped pay for the free stuff they give away. Each little
piece of what you paid "extra" to cover the cost of the give-always is that much less you
made on the stuff you sold. You could sell a thousand of those gorgeous bedroom sets
and you still wouldn't recover the buck or two extra you paid to cover part of the $200 worth
of stuff they give to all those visitors to the green truck.

There's a good argument to be made that this is paid out of profits
and that they wouldn't have said profits without the freebies. That
is, advertising more than pays for itself. I _has_ to.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 11:08:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:50:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:42:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 8:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)


You can say that but the tools mostly paid for them selves after only a
few big pieces of furniture.

True, but the math still says you helped pay for the free stuff they give away. Each little
piece of what you paid "extra" to cover the cost of the give-always is that much less you
made on the stuff you sold. You could sell a thousand of those gorgeous bedroom sets
and you still wouldn't recover the buck or two extra you paid to cover part of the $200 worth
of stuff they give to all those visitors to the green truck.

There's a good argument to be made that this is paid out of profits
and that they wouldn't have said profits without the freebies. That
is, advertising more than pays for itself. I _has_ to.

That's true. We'd have to see the overall business plan. I'll call the board this afternoon
and get a copy, ;-)

On 3/15/2018 7:45 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/15/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment
that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.Â* And the vac seems to not loose any
suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.Â* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.Â* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini.Â* ;-)


That's the smallest one that still does wet.
$600 after tax.Â* Not sure it's worth it.



If you are only looking for a small vac and do not care about breathing
dust, possibly a lot of noise, or less efficiency, most any vac will do
that.
After using the Festool vac I'll never go back, I'll make room. LOL
Basically I avoided using my Shop Vac brand and Craftsman brand vac's
because of the noise. Also dumping and cleaning the filter on both was
a royal PIA. That is not an issue with the Festool vacs so I am
inclined to use my Festool on any tool that I can attach it to and every
time.

The biggest hurdle with buying Festool is buying the first tool and vac.
After that you see and know the advantages and the price is easier to
understand.

On 3/15/2018 7:40 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:38:37 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



he casts

Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in. And the vac seems to not loose any suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

he reels

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust. Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges. ;~)

in the net



ROTFL. I will have to say that I was probably instrumental in 3~4
people trying Festool. I absolutely believe they are more than happy
with the brand.

On 3/16/18 10:54 AM, Leon wrote:
On 3/15/2018 7:45 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/15/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill attachment
that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too
loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air comes
out cleaner than it goes in.Â* And the vac seems to not loose any
suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you try
out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.Â* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.Â* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini.Â* ;-)


That's the smallest one that still does wet.
$600 after tax.Â* Not sure it's worth it.



If you are only looking for a small vac and do not care about breathing
dust, possibly a lot of noise, or less efficiency, most any vac will do
that.
After using the Festool vac I'll never go back, I'll make room.Â* LOL
Basically I avoided using my Shop Vac brand and Craftsman brand vac's
because of the noise.Â* Also dumping and cleaning the filter on both was
a royal PIA.Â* That is not an issue with the Festool vacs so I am
inclined to use my Festool on any tool that I can attach it to and every
time.

The biggest hurdle with buying Festool is buying the first tool and vac.
Â*After that you see and know the advantages and the price is easier to
understand.

For me it has to be quiet, especially if I'm drilling through porcelain
tiles, which generally take about 15 minutes per hole, minimum. Not
just quiet for me, because I can wear earplugs, but quite for the clients.

No one has to sell me on Festool, I get it. But I can buy their
contractor track saw with a rip guide for the price of the vac.



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
www.mikedrums.com

On 3/16/2018 11:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/16/18 10:54 AM, Leon wrote:
On 3/15/2018 7:45 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/15/18 7:42 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:46:45 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/14/18 10:38 PM, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 7:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/13/18 6:50 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning. Guess I'll stop by and see what I
see.Â*Â*Â* :-)


I was pretty impressed with their vacuums and the drill
attachment that
sucks itself against the wall.
I do a lot of grab bar installations on tile and that thing would be
awesome to suck all the dust and water off the bit.Â* I can get the
attachment alone for about 25 bucks but any vac I own is way too
loud.
Not sure it's worth $600 just to have a quiet vac, however.



Well if it helps, the larger vacs are Hepa certified and the air
comes
out cleaner than it goes in.Â* And the vac seems to not loose any
suction
until the bags are PACKED solid.

But be careful, you get the vac and the next thing you know you
try out
a Festool sander and WOW no dust.Â* Then maybe the track saw, and WOW
your chisel makes a bigger mess when mortising hinges.Â* ;~)

I need *small* as I am working out of a minivan.

Then you need a CT-mini.Â* ;-)


That's the smallest one that still does wet.
$600 after tax.Â* Not sure it's worth it.



If you are only looking for a small vac and do not care about
breathing dust, possibly a lot of noise, or less efficiency, most any
vac will do that.
After using the Festool vac I'll never go back, I'll make room.Â* LOL
Basically I avoided using my Shop Vac brand and Craftsman brand vac's
because of the noise.Â* Also dumping and cleaning the filter on both
was a royal PIA.Â* That is not an issue with the Festool vacs so I am
inclined to use my Festool on any tool that I can attach it to and
every time.

The biggest hurdle with buying Festool is buying the first tool and
vac. Â*Â*After that you see and know the advantages and the price is
easier to understand.

For me it has to be quiet, especially if I'm drilling through porcelain
tiles, which generally take about 15 minutes per hole, minimum.Â* Not
just quiet for me, because I can wear earplugs, but quite for the clients.

Totally understand. About 10 years ago I had a kitchen reface and new
drawers and doors job. I made 1/8" thick maple veneer to reface the
cabinets and I sanded the cabinets prior to attaching the veneer. The
home owner had masked off the cabinet openings so that he would not have
to wash every thing in the cabinets.

While I was sanding he took a nap 20' away. He was shocked that there
little to no dust on the counter tops and how quiet all of that was.



No one has to sell me on Festool, I get it.Â* But I can buy their
contractor track saw with a rip guide for the price of the vac.

There is that.

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 04:12:19 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 11:08:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:50:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:42:08 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
On 3/14/2018 8:29 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 9:00:06 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
By the way, our local Woodcraft will have the big green semi-truck
parked out front in the morning.
Guess I'll stop by and see what I see. :-)



If like Houston you will see your self going home with about $200 worth of
free products.

Which you helped pay for. ;-)


You can say that but the tools mostly paid for them selves after only a
few big pieces of furniture.

True, but the math still says you helped pay for the free stuff they give away. Each little
piece of what you paid "extra" to cover the cost of the give-always is that much less you
made on the stuff you sold. You could sell a thousand of those gorgeous bedroom sets
and you still wouldn't recover the buck or two extra you paid to cover part of the $200 worth
of stuff they give to all those visitors to the green truck.

There's a good argument to be made that this is paid out of profits
and that they wouldn't have said profits without the freebies. That
is, advertising more than pays for itself. I _has_ to.

That's true. We'd have to see the overall business plan. I'll call the board this afternoon
and get a copy, ;-)

Cool! If it's not confidential, send me a copy. ;-)