While taking the MiL out for mother's day this weekend, I ran across a
bee's wax product I have never seen before or tried. Shop owners said
they've used it on everything for years and love it. I stood there
reading the label and found a few oddities.

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?

I read it and then querried the shop owners, who were shocked when
they read the label. Apparently they never read it before. One owner
has been using the stuff for over 25 years.

Never ceases to amaze me what people miss on a daily basis.

So is it just bee's wax or more? Or only legal CYA jargon?

Figured if the owers were still standing after decades of use, can't
be too unsafe. Both owners were pretty antique themselves.

On 5/14/2017 10:39 AM, Casper wrote:
While taking the MiL out for mother's day this weekend, I ran across a
bee's wax product I have never seen before or tried. Shop owners said
they've used it on everything for years and love it. I stood there
reading the label and found a few oddities.

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?

I read it and then querried the shop owners, who were shocked when
they read the label. Apparently they never read it before. One owner
has been using the stuff for over 25 years.

Never ceases to amaze me what people miss on a daily basis.

So is it just bee's wax or more? Or only legal CYA jargon?

Figured if the owers were still standing after decades of use, can't
be too unsafe. Both owners were pretty antique themselves.


The fact that it says "SHAKE WELL BEFORE USING" is a dead giveaway -- being
a solid, beeswax doesn't need shaking and if you shook beeswax until
doomsday you wouldn't accomplish anything so there has to be some sort of
solvent involved. It would be interesting to sniff the contents to see how
many petroleum distillates you can detect. Even better would be to identify
the maker and demand that they provide an MSDS as they are legally required
to do. Is there any identification as to the actual maker? Full name,
address, anything?

On 05/14/2017 9:39 AM, Casper wrote:
While taking the MiL out for mother's day this weekend, I ran across a
bee's wax product I have never seen before or tried. Shop owners said
they've used it on everything for years and love it. I stood there
reading the label and found a few oddities.

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?
....

It actually says don't use on "linoleum wood" or, iow, printed surfaces
for the obvious reason (it's got to have goodly amount of solvents to
dissolve what wax there is in the product in.

Also, the label also says it is "The Original Bee's Wax (with) Natural
Bee's Wax" where the (with) is in smaller print.

Google is your friend...

http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/index.html

A search did _not_ find a link to MSDS, though, is there a lawyer in the
house?

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On 5/14/2017 10:39 AM, Casper wrote:
While taking the MiL out for mother's day this weekend, I ran across a
bee's wax product I have never seen before or tried. Shop owners said
they've used it on everything for years and love it. I stood there
reading the label and found a few oddities.

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?

I read it and then querried the shop owners, who were shocked when
they read the label. Apparently they never read it before. One owner
has been using the stuff for over 25 years.

Never ceases to amaze me what people miss on a daily basis.

So is it just bee's wax or more? Or only legal CYA jargon?

Figured if the owers were still standing after decades of use, can't
be too unsafe. Both owners were pretty antique themselves.


It says "Old world formula" so that implies there are ingredients.
Here is says "with natural bees wax" so it may be only 1%.
http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/46663rdfold.pdf

May be good stuff but they certainly exploit the bees.

On 05/14/2017 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....

May be good stuff but they certainly exploit the bees.

Well, we don't know the contract terms with the worker bee union...

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On 2017-05-14, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

May be good stuff but they certainly exploit the bees.

Bees have been exploited since man first discovered 'em!!

Does anyone, here, actually believe bees make that honey fer ppl?

nb

On 05/14/2017 1:24 PM, notbob wrote:
....

Does anyone, here, actually believe bees make that honey fer ppl?

Pooh does...

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On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:

It actually says don't use on "linoleum wood"....

I think they forgot to put a comma between linoleum and wood.

.... or, iow, printed surfaces
for the obvious reason (it's got to have goodly amount of solvents to
dissolve what wax there is in the product in.

http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/index.html

If you click onto the brochure link, page down. It says:

"Caution do not use or get on any tile, linoleum, wood floor, tub or shower floor."

I would never use it to clean a TV or computer monitor screen, either.

It says don't use a microfiber cloth (polyesters, polyamides), for application. If you wipe upholstered furniture with it, then it will likely affect (ruin?) the nylon thread, used for most/much of upholstery sewing.

Original Bee's wax? That might be Aunt Bee's original formula.

Sonny

On Sun, 14 May 2017 14:35:37 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 05/14/2017 1:24 PM, notbob wrote:
...

Does anyone, here, actually believe bees make that honey fer ppl?

Pooh does...

He is a Bear silly (Christofer Robbin would say)

In article , says...

On 05/14/2017 9:39 AM, Casper wrote:
While taking the MiL out for mother's day this weekend, I ran across a
bee's wax product I have never seen before or tried. Shop owners said
they've used it on everything for years and love it. I stood there
reading the label and found a few oddities.

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?
...

It actually says don't use on "linoleum wood" or, iow, printed surfaces
for the obvious reason (it's got to have goodly amount of solvents to
dissolve what wax there is in the product in.

Also, the label also says it is "The Original Bee's Wax (with) Natural
Bee's Wax" where the (with) is in smaller print.

Google is your friend...

http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/index.html

A search did _not_ find a link to MSDS, though, is there a lawyer in the
house?

Your google-fu is not strong, grasshopper.

Verbatim search for "original bee's wax msds" found as the first hit
https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/store/item/MS-
SWAX/The_Original__Bee's_Wax_Spray, which has a link to
https://www.toolsforworkingwood.com/..._spray_beeswax.
pdf.

Now, the product name on that MSDS doesn't quite match, so I wondered if in
fact this was made by World Class Promotions.

Another search, on "World Class Promotions", yielded www.beeswaxpolish.com
as the second hit. Searching the code for the page doesn't find that hit
so it must be something associational in the google logic (or else I missed
something). However another hit was https://www.amazon.com/Bees-Wax-
Furniture-Polish/dp/B00N9COFPM, in which it is offered up by . . . (wait
for it) . . . World Class Promotions.

Not a lot of information there though--some kind of not terribly energetic
solvent and a propellant.

On 14 May 2017 18:24:59 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2017-05-14, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

May be good stuff but they certainly exploit the bees.

Bees have been exploited since man first discovered 'em!!

Does anyone, here, actually believe bees make that honey fer ppl?

Sure, they were put on the Earth for our use, right? ;-)

"Casper" wrote in message
...

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?


It looks like it may say "Caution: Do not use on tile, wood, or linoleum
floors." Was that the full wording? If so, it is likely because it will
make them very slippery. I know that Demi Lovato slipped on a floor on
which someone used furniture polish. She broke her leg...

On Sun, 14 May 2017 12:28:55 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 05/14/2017 12:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

May be good stuff but they certainly exploit the bees.

Well, we don't know the contract terms with the worker bee union...

The bee it is a busy soul,
It has no time for birth control.
That is why in times like these,
There are so many sons of bees!


Cheers,
Colin

On 5/14/2017 3:29 PM, Sonny wrote:
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 10:39:59 AM UTC-5, dpb wrote:

It actually says don't use on "linoleum wood"....

I think they forgot to put a comma between linoleum and wood.

.... or, iow, printed surfaces
for the obvious reason (it's got to have goodly amount of solvents
to dissolve what wax there is in the product in.

http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/index.html

If you click onto the brochure link, page down. It says:

"Caution do not use or get on any tile, linoleum, wood floor, tub or
shower floor."

Slippery when wet.

Colin Campbell wrote:

The bee it is a busy soul,
It has no time for birth control.
That is why in times like these,
There are so many sons of bees!

Not so much anymo

http://www.hillcountrymagazine.com/6...cal-beekeepers

On Mon, 15 May 2017 08:35:10 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

"Casper" wrote in message
.. .

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?


It looks like it may say "Caution: Do not use on tile, wood, or linoleum
floors." Was that the full wording? If so, it is likely because it will
make them very slippery. I know that Demi Lovato slipped on a floor on
which someone used furniture polish. She broke her leg...

Dustin Johnson slipped on stairs missed the Masters.

Wonder if before Ms Lovato broke her leg did someone wish her good
luck.

"Markem" wrote in message
...

On Mon, 15 May 2017 08:35:10 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

"Casper" wrote in message
. ..

Label Link:
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/i...Bees%20Wax.jpg

1. No list of ingredients.
Odd but ok. Maybe it is nothing but bee's wax but I doubt it.

2. Says great on Antiques, Furniture, Oak and more.
But the warning says, "Do Not Use on Wood". Say what?


It looks like it may say "Caution: Do not use on tile, wood, or linoleum
floors." Was that the full wording? If so, it is likely because it will
make them very slippery. I know that Demi Lovato slipped on a floor on
which someone used furniture polish. She broke her leg...

Dustin Johnson slipped on stairs missed the Masters.

Wonder if before Ms Lovato broke her leg did someone wish her good
luck.

She was walking into her own apartment so I doubt it...

A tiny bit more on the bees knees...

You'll need to scroll down a little but here is a tidbit on it...
https://www.lehmans.com/product/bees...aners-polishes

A company blurb but no real ingredients listed...
http://www.beeswaxpolish.com/company.html

It is listed on a number of 'green' or 'earth friendly' sites...
http://www.buygreengoods.com/beeswax...e-polish.shtml

Apparently even connoisseurs approve of it (whatever that means)...
http://www.thefurnitureconnoisseur.c...eeswax-polish/

I've not found an actual list of ingredients but numerous sites,
including the manufacturer site, states it contains no oils...
"This is the “The Original Beeswax Polish”, an old world original
beeswax polish in aerosol form, and the only beeswax polish in aerosol
that contains no oil."

Still unable to locate a real MSDS, especially one dating back to the
70's. I take that bad photo copy dated 2-27-2006 with a grain of salt.

Another oddity is other sites state you can use microfiber cloths...
"Maintain Original Beeswax Polish by wiping surface with a soft cloth,
dust mitt or microfiber cloth." *See connoissuer link.

If this stuff is so good and popular, why don't I see it in more
stores. I found it in an antique shop that's really more of a tiny
mini-flea market. I've been to hundreds of antique shops and never saw
this stuff before. Don't recall ever seeing it on Antiques Roadshow
either and I've watched tons of those episodes.

On Monday, May 15, 2017 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-5, Casper wrote:

If this stuff is so good and popular, why don't I see it in more
stores. I found it in an antique shop that's really more of a tiny
mini-flea market. I've been to hundreds of antique shops and never saw
this stuff before. Don't recall ever seeing it on Antiques Roadshow
either and I've watched tons of those episodes.

All of those things should be a warning.

If you were a real antiques dealer as opposed to someone that just sold old crap, you wouldn't trust a piece to a product you don't know. Worse, despite your efforts, you can't even find out what is in it. In many cases, the best value on an antique piece of furniture is based on the retention of the original finish.

Think how stupid you would feel if you put a product on a valuable piece and it lifted, clouded, or blistered the original finish and the price of your piece dropped 75%! What gets me is that will the Google-fu that has been used on this product that no one has been able to find a definitive, complete list of ingredients and solvents.

It would make me run away from it!

Robert

Colin Campbell wrote in newsfcbl3$p1a$2@dont-
email.me:

There are so many sons of bees!

Technically, no - almost all bees are female...

John