We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:07:28 +0100, GB
wrote:

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Perhaps for much the same reason as you might get a puncture in a rear
tyre but elect to put the new one on the front and put the displaced
one on the rear?

--

Graham.

%Profound_observation%

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 20:16:09 +0100, Graham.
wrote:

snip

Perhaps for much the same reason as you might get a puncture in a rear
tyre but elect to put the new one on the front and put the displaced
one on the rear?

FWIW etc I think you are supposed to put the tyres with the best tread
(depth) on the rear as it's considered that 'most people' could better
handle understeer than oversteer should you get into an aquaplaning
situation.

That may well have been the case for someone I know who recently wrote
off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy rain because he had
worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same age fronts were still
fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

Cheers, T i m

T i m wrote:

That may well have been the case for someone I know who recently wrote
off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy rain because he had
worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same age fronts were still
fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

Feet have far more impact than anything else[1]. People who've lost if
usually witter on about aquaplaning but haven't - they've just driven
through deep water. Getting a BM to step out of line, even with 1.6mm
tyres on the back, requires gross stupidity (say high rev gear changes
with no rev matching or ASC off and absolutely booting it.)

However, attempts at drifting and power sliding are getting stupidly
common. Many "stuffed-it!" FB pics usually include a roundabout in the
background.


[1] Assuming non-Teflon crapola from the east.

--
Scott

Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?

T i m wrote
Graham. wrote

Perhaps for much the same reason as you might get
a puncture in a rear tyre but elect to put the new one
on the front and put the displaced one on the rear?

FWIW etc I think you are supposed to put the
tyres with the best tread (depth) on the rear

That is just plain wrong with modern front wheel drive cars.

as it's considered that 'most people' could better
handle understeer than oversteer should you get
into an aquaplaning situation.

That isnt in fact the major problem with tyre use.

That may well have been the case for someone I know who
recently wrote off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy
rain because he had worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same
age fronts were still fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

That isnt in fact the major cause of serious accidents.

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 06:17:54 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

T i m wrote
Graham. wrote

Perhaps for much the same reason as you might get
a puncture in a rear tyre but elect to put the new one
on the front and put the displaced one on the rear?

FWIW etc I think you are supposed to put the
tyres with the best tread (depth) on the rear

That is just plain wrong with modern front wheel drive cars.

It's plain right irrespective of the driven wheels.

Take any car, front or rear wheel drive and drive it round in a circle
on a wet surface at a slowly increasing speed. At the point of
aquaplaning it will make no difference which wheels are driven as to
which will break away first. If the fronts break away you will get
understeer and you can generally manage that by slowing down. If it's
the back wheels that break away you get oversteer and very few
'ordinary people' will be able to recover from it quick enough to stop
them spinning.

Oh, and before you dig yourself in even deeper, this has got nice
pictures even you might understand. ;-)

http://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/sh...front-or-rear/

as it's considered that 'most people' could better
handle understeer than oversteer should you get
into an aquaplaning situation.

That isnt in fact the major problem with tyre use.

It is or I wouldn't have said it (the consequences of rear wheel
aquaplaning due to unbalanced tyre wear).

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1568566

That may well have been the case for someone I know who
recently wrote off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy
rain because he had worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same
age fronts were still fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

That isnt in fact the major cause of serious accidents.

In fact it was *the* cause of the one I mentioned and will be the
cause of many others.

Cheers, T i m

p.s. Please don't demonstrate any further why I should take the advice
of many people and just ignore you.

T i m wrote
Rod Speed wrote
T i m wrote
Graham. wrote

Perhaps for much the same reason as you might get
a puncture in a rear tyre but elect to put the new one
on the front and put the displaced one on the rear?

FWIW etc I think you are supposed to put the
tyres with the best tread (depth) on the rear

That is just plain wrong with modern front wheel drive cars.

It's plain right irrespective of the driven wheels.

Nope, oversteer isnt the same problem with front wheel drive cars.

Take any car, front or rear wheel drive and drive it round
in a circle on a wet surface at a slowly increasing speed.
At the point of aquaplaning it will make no difference
which wheels are driven as to which will break away first.

You will see a hell of a difference on whether you see oversteer
or not with a front wheel drive car in that situation. And it is
much more important to have the tyres with the most tread
on them on the driving wheels when the wheels are being
driven by the engine rather than not being driven too.

If the fronts break away you will get understeer and
you can generally manage that by slowing down.

And you wont get oversteer with a front wheel
drive car in that situation if you have less tread
on the rear wheels than on the front wheels.

And you are much more likely to see the start
to aquaplane earlier with the tyres with the
least tread on them on the front wheels. That
is after all the whole point of the tread in the
aquaplane situation, to avoid aquaplaning.

If it's the back wheels that break away you get oversteer

That doesn't happen in a front wheel drive car in that situation.
It aquaplanes at the driving wheels first, even when there is
less tread on the rear wheels than the front wheels.

and very few 'ordinary people' will be able to recover
from it quick enough to stop them spinning.

Irrelevant when it doesn't happen in their front wheel drive car.

Oh, and before you dig yourself in even deeper,

You're the one doing that.

this has got nice pictures even you might understand. ;-)
http://kumhotyre.co.uk/kumho-news/sh...front-or-rear/

You clearly don't.

as it's considered that 'most people' could better
handle understeer than oversteer should you get
into an aquaplaning situation.

That isnt in fact the major problem with tyre use.

It is or I wouldn't have said it

You said it because you don't have a clue about
what causes most major accidents. It isnt aquaplaning.

(the consequences of rear wheel aquaplaning
due to unbalanced tyre wear).

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1568566

Just because someone claims something...

That may well have been the case for someone I know who
recently wrote off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy
rain because he had worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same
age fronts were still fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

That isnt in fact the major cause of serious accidents.

In fact it was *the* cause of the one I mentioned

And that is a microscopic subset of serious accidents.

and will be the cause of many others.

Only a microscopic subset of serious accidents.

p.s. Please don't demonstrate any further why I should
take the advice of many people and just ignore you.

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

On 29/03/2016 22:47, T i m wrote:

Take any car, front or rear wheel drive and drive it round in a circle
on a wet surface at a slowly increasing speed. At the point of
aquaplaning.
....
It is or I wouldn't have said it (the consequences of rear wheel
aquaplaning due to unbalanced tyre wear).

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=1568566

FWIW losing grip in the wet != aquaplaning. It can be, but generally
isn't - aquaplaning is just a subset. Fitting the new tyres to the back
isn't about handling aquaplaning, it's about handling losing grip.

On 29/03/2016 09:59, T i m wrote:

That may well have been the case for someone I know who recently wrote
off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy rain because he had
worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same age fronts were still
fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

Ha....
BMW's are the funniest things in the world to watch in the snow.

Try telling a BMW owner to stick 100Kg of patio slabs in his boot if he
wants to go anywhere in the snow.

Pirouette in a Ford Capri anyone?

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:45:55 +0100, "www.GymRatZ.co.uk"
wrote:

On 29/03/2016 09:59, T i m wrote:

That may well have been the case for someone I know who recently wrote
off his 5 Series BM that aquaplaned in some heavy rain because he had
worn out the newish rear tyres whilst the same age fronts were still
fine (I suspect over heavy right foot).

Ha....
BMW's are the funniest things in the world to watch in the snow.

Try telling a BMW owner to stick 100Kg of patio slabs in his boot if he
wants to go anywhere in the snow.

Ah, the old 'Capri' trick. ;-)

Pirouette in a Ford Capri anyone?

;-)

I was buzzing about in the snow in our 4x4 looking kitcar (actually a
Mk2 Escort) and was getting frustrated with everyone going *soooo*
slowly. It was only a bit of snow FFS! ;-)

I came home, parked up and jumped in the Sierra Estate and suddently
learned what the fuss was all about.

It was all (well mostly) about tyres, std road tyres on the Sierra
versus 'Mud and Snow' on the kitcar.

Daughter fitted some 'all season' tyres on her van at ther end of last
year but didn't really get the chance to see if they worked.

Cheers, T i m

GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

--
Adam

ARW wrote
Rod Speed wrote
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.

What is wrong with using illegal substances?

Never said there was anything wrong with it.

It is the most likely explanation for what he did tho.

On 28/03/16 20:56, ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its
own tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

Getting busted...


--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 28/03/16 20:56, ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its
own tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

Getting busted...


And speed limits are just a serving suggestion IMHO.



--
Adam

On 28/03/16 21:57, ARW wrote:
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 28/03/16 20:56, ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its
own tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

Getting busted...


And speed limits are just a serving suggestion IMHO.



who is the victim?


--
All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that
all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is
fully understood.

"ARW" wrote in message
...
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 28/03/16 20:56, ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its
own tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

Getting busted...

And speed limits are just a serving suggestion IMHO.

Why have you got horrible opinions ?

ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

They're illegal.

--
Chris Green
·

wrote in message ...
ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its
own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

They're illegal.

Only because someone told you they were.



--
Adam

On 28/03/16 22:15, ARW wrote:
wrote in message ...
ARW wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
...
GB wrote

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with
its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because you were completely blotto at the time/
well away on illegal substances, and couldnt keep
track of which one needed to be replaced when
you couldnt find any spares for the dripping one.


What is wrong with using illegal substances?

They're illegal.

Only because someone told you they were.



That's generally the way it goes with illegal stuff.


--
The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly
diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 28/03/2016 19:07, GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

.... and then replace the dripping tap with the one you had just removed?
Some aspect of the kitchen/design/whathaveyou meant that you preferred
the new tap in the position of the non-dripper - or the old tap in the
position of the dripper.

--
Rod

In message , GB
writes
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because she told you to?

The upside is that you now have a spare to repair the one that drips:-)


--
Tim Lamb

On Mon, 28 Mar 2016 19:07:28 +0100, GB wrote:

We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

The old tap better fits some kind of hose fitting, so you swapped the
working 'old' one to the non-working 'old' one's previous position.

On 28/03/16 19:07, GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?


Confidence. You had to test that the new tap could actually be
successfully installed as a replacement for the good one before tackling
the dodgy tap that in the process might not survive its own uninstallation.

--
Adrian C

T match the one you replaced that was dripping?
Brian

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"GB" wrote in message
...
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

On Monday, 28 March 2016 19:48:27 UTC+1, GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.
So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because dripping cold water is free (unless you're on a meter) but dripping hot costs money, and you expected the working tap to fail soon?

Owain

GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Because the dripping tap is hardly ever used, and you've replaced it
with the relatively new non-dripping one?

--
Mike Barnes
Cheshire, England

In article ,
GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Whilst you were out buying the new tap, your wife changed the washer on
the dripping tap which confused you when you got back and without thinking
you replaced the wrong one.

Alan

--


Using an ARMX6

On 29/03/2016 11:03, Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Whilst you were out buying the new tap, your wife changed the washer on
the dripping tap which confused you when you got back and without thinking
you replaced the wrong one.



I'm really impressed by all the ingenious responses, some of which were
very close to the mark.

The point is that the taps are very old. I have uploaded a picture of
the cartridge. http://tinypic.com/m/jf82ae/2
I haven't been able to locate a replacement.

One of the taps is on a single bowl sink, and easy-ish to get at. The
other one is on a double bowl sink, and there's no space to work.

So, I replaced the tap on the single bowl sink and took a working
cartridge off that. Then repaired the other one.

Now some bright spark is going to tell me where I could have got the
cartridge?

Plus my darling wife is pointing out that the taps don't match.....

GB wrote:
On 29/03/2016 11:03, Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Whilst you were out buying the new tap, your wife changed the washer on
the dripping tap which confused you when you got back and without thinking
you replaced the wrong one.



I'm really impressed by all the ingenious responses, some of which were
very close to the mark.

The point is that the taps are very old. I have uploaded a picture of
the cartridge. http://tinypic.com/m/jf82ae/2
I haven't been able to locate a replacement.

One of the taps is on a single bowl sink, and easy-ish to get at. The
other one is on a double bowl sink, and there's no space to work.

So, I replaced the tap on the single bowl sink and took a working
cartridge off that. Then repaired the other one.

Now some bright spark is going to tell me where I could have got the
cartridge?

Available, but not cheap.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacemen...p2056016.l4276

Tim

On 29/03/2016 14:35, Tim+ wrote:
GB wrote:
On 29/03/2016 11:03, Alan Dawes wrote:
In article ,
GB wrote:
We have two completely separate sinks in our kitchen, each with its own
tap. The taps are pretty old. One of them is dripping.

So, my question is why did I (intentionally) replace the tap that was
still working fine with a brand new one?

Whilst you were out buying the new tap, your wife changed the washer on
the dripping tap which confused you when you got back and without thinking
you replaced the wrong one.



I'm really impressed by all the ingenious responses, some of which were
very close to the mark.

The point is that the taps are very old. I have uploaded a picture of
the cartridge. http://tinypic.com/m/jf82ae/2
I haven't been able to locate a replacement.

One of the taps is on a single bowl sink, and easy-ish to get at. The
other one is on a double bowl sink, and there's no space to work.

So, I replaced the tap on the single bowl sink and took a working
cartridge off that. Then repaired the other one.

Now some bright spark is going to tell me where I could have got the
cartridge?

Available, but not cheap.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacemen...p2056016.l4276

Tim

It's what I paid for the new taps.
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p18942

But, still, it would have been a lot less work. Why didn't I ask here
first? (No need to answer that.)

GB wrote:
On 29/03/2016 14:35, Tim+ wrote:
r one.

Now some bright spark is going to tell me where I could have got the
cartridge?

Available, but not cheap.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Replacemen...p2056016.l4276

Tim

It's what I paid for the new taps.
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/p18942

But, still, it would have been a lot less work. Why didn't I ask here
first? (No need to answer that.)


A good way to find obscure cartridges is to just do a Google search for
"tap cartridge" and then select "images" for the results. You can then
browse through hundreds of different cartridges.

Tim