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Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the
ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) |
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:29:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) It looks like the green in my basement has appreciated more than the green in my 401K. ;-) =or= :-( BTW, loose hearing is a lot worse than loose women. ;-) |
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Leon wrote:
Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill |
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On 2/26/2017 8:59 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill I have a big feeling that the price increase is mostly due to the government debt. Our dollars keep losing value. BUT as you point out, the tools that seem to be the most popular and or exclusive are the ones that increase in cost the most. I was a bit suprised that their drills have pretty much stayed the same over the last 4~5 years or actually gone down in price. Festool batteries are/were quite expensive. $100+ each in the 15 volt range. They are about half that now. Swingman and I went to a Festool traveling show. When you registered to view the display they were giving away caps, t-shirts, or batteries. Guess which one I took. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:26:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 2/26/2017 8:59 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill I have a big feeling that the price increase is mostly due to the government debt. Our dollars keep losing value. Not true: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=10Y They should be getting cheaper. BUT as you point out, the tools that seem to be the most popular and or exclusive are the ones that increase in cost the most. I was a bit suprised that their drills have pretty much stayed the same over the last 4~5 years or actually gone down in price. I know you like their drills but I don't see anything special about them. I think you've hit the nail squarely, though. The tools that there is a percieved (or real) value to the Festool brand, have been getting more expensive. Others, not as much. Festool batteries are/were quite expensive. $100+ each in the 15 volt range. They are about half that now. Swingman and I went to a Festool traveling show. When you registered to view the display they were giving away caps, t-shirts, or batteries. Guess which one I took. The technology behind batteries has been getting cheaper. |
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The exchange rates have an impact too...
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On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:24:37 -0500, krw wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:29:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) It looks like the green in my basement has appreciated more than the green in my 401K. ;-) =or= :-( Other than perpetually humping Leon's leg at every opportunity, have you ever used any of your tools to actually make anything? -- Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Trenbidia
wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:24:37 -0500, krw wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:29:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) It looks like the green in my basement has appreciated more than the green in my 401K. ;-) =or= :-( Other than perpetually humping Leon's leg at every opportunity, have you ever used any of your tools to actually make anything? My, my. We have someone on the hook who hasn't been laid in a decade, it seems. You should fix that problem. There's probably a knothole in the back yard somewhere. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 15:37:51 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:59:33 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/27/2017 12:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:26:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/26/2017 8:59 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill I have a big feeling that the price increase is mostly due to the government debt. Our dollars keep losing value. Not true: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=10Y They should be getting cheaper. BUT as you point out, the tools that seem to be the most popular and or exclusive are the ones that increase in cost the most. I was a bit suprised that their drills have pretty much stayed the same over the last 4~5 years or actually gone down in price. I know you like their drills but I don't see anything special about them. The thing that I like with the Festool drill is that it had heavy duty swapable attachments. And I really like the "electronic" clutch. The drill shuts off when the predetermined torque is reached, none of that rattling noise of a slipping clutch, and therefore smoother. And I do not really know if this is true with all modern drills or not but I used to have a 12 volt Makita drill/driver and an impact driver. I use the impact driver more than the drill/driver. I have not used that impact driver since getting the Festool drill, T15, just a touch higher voltage. The power is smooth and controlled. I hear you but I'm unconvinced. I rather like the operation of an impact driver. I find it helps keep the bit from camming out. I can pull a buggered screw with the impact driver that there is no way to get out with a driver/drill. On occasion I use my Bosch impact. For the same reasons you mention, especially when removing. Or if I am mounting slides and predrillng with a Vix bit. I use the impact as a drill in that circumstance no the Festool drill to drive. I think you've hit the nail squarely, though. The tools that there is a percieved (or real) value to the Festool brand, have been getting more expensive. Others, not as much. Festool batteries are/were quite expensive. $100+ each in the 15 volt range. They are about half that now. Swingman and I went to a Festool traveling show. When you registered to view the display they were giving away caps, t-shirts, or batteries. Guess which one I took. The technology behind batteries has been getting cheaper. Yes. IIRC the free battery was 5.0 amp. |
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On occasion I use my Bosch impact. For the same reasons you mention, especially when removing. Or if I am mounting slides and predrillng with a Vix bit. I use the impact as a drill in that circumstance no the Festool drill to drive. I have had to take the impact drivers out of the hands of some of my guys. They LOVE the compact size, but they continually overdrive screws with them. Passage door hinges, mounting screws, and on an on that simply need to be snug are drawn up to the point of distorting the attachment materials. With a regular drill/driver you can feel the screw tension and hear the sounds without all the chatter of the impact driver. Just as bad, they like to use the impact driver to drill holes. The hex bodied drill bits are rarely concentric, and the chucks on the impact drivers certainly aren't. So you get inaccurate holes sizes, which especially when doing metal work is unacceptable. Nothing like drilling a hole that won't hold a screw correctly. I have noticed that a lot of tool prices have actually gone down. Certainly not Festool, but different tools from DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, etc. that have comparable specs to yesteryear are about the same price. I had a great talk with the local DeWalt rep and he was able to supply a great deal of info on the subject. - parts made overseas in factories that make just a few parts, not whole tools. So for example there is a plant that makes drive belts in Thailand, a plant in Indonesia that makes switches, a plant in one part of China that makes the plastic housings, bearings that come from India, and the parts are assembled in China or Mexico - computer driven design takes a huge consideration towards manufacturing ease and efficiency. It also creates designs that can automate the production as much as possible - certain parts aren't made the same way they were years ago. His example was the die cast gears in most DeWalt drills/drivers/saws compared to 25 years ago when their better drills/saws had machine cut gears - whole tools assembled in specialty assembly factories that use outsourced parts - commonality of parts. Triggers, speed control boards, motors, etc. may be used in several different models and brands if owned by the same parent company The trade off certainly is the lack of quality. My boys that like their yellow tools are completely unhappy with most of the DeWalt line now as they lack the durability and reliability. Likewise the Makita tools that are from that zebra striped line. What I see most going to these days is Ridgid. Not for superior performance or ease of use, but because they are reliable and they have a great warranty. I have used the warranty twice and both times they were speedy and didn't argue with me. I have thought for a few years now that we are just as much in the warranty buying business as we are tool buying business. Robert |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 00:08:28 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote: On occasion I use my Bosch impact. For the same reasons you mention, especially when removing. Or if I am mounting slides and predrillng with a Vix bit. I use the impact as a drill in that circumstance no the Festool drill to drive. I have had to take the impact drivers out of the hands of some of my guys. They LOVE the compact size, but they continually overdrive screws with them. Passage door hinges, mounting screws, and on an on that simply need to be snug are drawn up to the point of distorting the attachment materials. With a regular drill/driver you can feel the screw tension and hear the sounds without all the chatter of the impact driver. Just as bad, they like to use the impact driver to drill holes. The hex bodied drill bits are rarely concentric, and the chucks on the impact drivers certainly aren't. So you get inaccurate holes sizes, which especially when doing metal work is unacceptable. Nothing like drilling a hole that won't hold a screw correctly. I have noticed that a lot of tool prices have actually gone down. Certainly not Festool, but different tools from DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, etc. that have comparable specs to yesteryear are about the same price. I had a great talk with the local DeWalt rep and he was able to supply a great deal of info on the subject. - parts made overseas in factories that make just a few parts, not whole tools. So for example there is a plant that makes drive belts in Thailand, a plant in Indonesia that makes switches, a plant in one part of China that makes the plastic housings, bearings that come from India, and the parts are assembled in China or Mexico - computer driven design takes a huge consideration towards manufacturing ease and efficiency. It also creates designs that can automate the production as much as possible - certain parts aren't made the same way they were years ago. His example was the die cast gears in most DeWalt drills/drivers/saws compared to 25 years ago when their better drills/saws had machine cut gears - whole tools assembled in specialty assembly factories that use outsourced parts Or built on "factory ships" that travel the PacRim picking up the required parts, then deliver the assembled goods to North America - commonality of parts. Triggers, speed control boards, motors, etc. may be used in several different models and brands if owned by the same parent company The trade off certainly is the lack of quality. My boys that like their yellow tools are completely unhappy with most of the DeWalt line now as they lack the durability and reliability. Likewise the Makita tools that are from that zebra striped line. What I see most going to these days is Ridgid. Not for superior performance or ease of use, but because they are reliable and they have a great warranty. I have used the warranty twice and both times they were speedy and didn't argue with me. I have thought for a few years now that we are just as much in the warranty buying business as we are tool buying business. Robert But even the best warranty in the world doesn't change the fact that you areinconvenienced by the failure, and working with crappy tools is not fun. Virtually all of my "heavy use" tools are well over 15 years old and some well over 30) and LONG out of warranty. They will likely still be useable when inherited by my sons-in-law. |
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:18:04 -0500, krw wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Trenbidia wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:24:37 -0500, krw wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:29:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) It looks like the green in my basement has appreciated more than the green in my 401K. ;-) =or= :-( Other than perpetually humping Leon's leg at every opportunity, have you ever used any of your tools to actually make anything? My, my. We have someone on the hook who hasn't been laid in a decade, it seems. You should fix that problem. There's probably a knothole in the back yard somewhere. I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. -- Behold! The field in which I grow my ****s. Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 19:09:32 +0000 (UTC), Trenbidia
wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 21:18:04 -0500, krw wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 20:44:59 +0000 (UTC), Trenbidia wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 19:24:37 -0500, krw wrote: On Sun, 26 Feb 2017 13:29:06 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) It looks like the green in my basement has appreciated more than the green in my 401K. ;-) =or= :-( Other than perpetually humping Leon's leg at every opportunity, have you ever used any of your tools to actually make anything? My, my. We have someone on the hook who hasn't been laid in a decade, it seems. You should fix that problem. There's probably a knothole in the back yard somewhere. I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Now, tell us about your 12" dick, too. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 00:02:40 -0600, Leon wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:59:33 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/27/2017 12:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:26:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/26/2017 8:59 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill I have a big feeling that the price increase is mostly due to the government debt. Our dollars keep losing value. Not true: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=10Y They should be getting cheaper. BUT as you point out, the tools that seem to be the most popular and or exclusive are the ones that increase in cost the most. I was a bit suprised that their drills have pretty much stayed the same over the last 4~5 years or actually gone down in price. I know you like their drills but I don't see anything special about them. The thing that I like with the Festool drill is that it had heavy duty swapable attachments. And I really like the "electronic" clutch. The drill shuts off when the predetermined torque is reached, none of that rattling noise of a slipping clutch, and therefore smoother. And I do not really know if this is true with all modern drills or not but I used to have a 12 volt Makita drill/driver and an impact driver. I use the impact driver more than the drill/driver. I have not used that impact driver since getting the Festool drill, T15, just a touch higher voltage. The power is smooth and controlled. I hear you but I'm unconvinced. I rather like the operation of an impact driver. I find it helps keep the bit from camming out. I can pull a buggered screw with the impact driver that there is no way to get out with a driver/drill. On occasion I use my Bosch impact. For the same reasons you mention, especially when removing. Or if I am mounting slides and predrillng with a Vix bit. I use the impact as a drill in that circumstance no the Festool drill to drive. I actually hadn't thought about puting the Vix bits in the impact driver. No real reason to, though. No, I wouldn't use an impact driver to drive that sort of screw either. I have plain drivers for that. ... |
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On 2/28/2017 8:38 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 00:02:40 -0600, Leon wrote: wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 16:59:33 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/27/2017 12:48 PM, wrote: On Mon, 27 Feb 2017 09:26:22 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 2/26/2017 8:59 PM, Bill wrote: Leon wrote: Wow, I have not watched the pricing of Festool products closely, the ones that I have bought. 5/26/2007 Domino Set $694.00 Today $970.00 5/26/2007 Domino assortment w/cutters $200.00 Today $305.00 1/26/2008 Rotex 125 Sander $360.00 Today $490.00 5/31/2008 RTS 400 Orbital Sander $195.00 Today $260.00 4/19/2010 TS75 Track Saw $562.50 Today $780.00 I have other Festool tools, Dust Extractor, Drill, MTF work Table. The Dust Extractor has been replaced by a model that is approximately 50% more expensive. The work Table and Drill kit are pretty much the same price that they were 4~5 years ago. Would I buy any of the above again? In a heart beat. All of these tools have increased my production significantly not to mention controlling the dust with out loosing my hearing. ;~) They evidently know their customers. Not only that, this way they can probably afford to have a "big sale", increase sales, and probably improve the bottom line. The price increases only add to the exclusivity of their products. I trust them to know what they are doing. I know you make good use of your tools--I am working on it. Bill I have a big feeling that the price increase is mostly due to the government debt. Our dollars keep losing value. Not true: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=EUR&view=10Y They should be getting cheaper. BUT as you point out, the tools that seem to be the most popular and or exclusive are the ones that increase in cost the most. I was a bit suprised that their drills have pretty much stayed the same over the last 4~5 years or actually gone down in price. I know you like their drills but I don't see anything special about them. The thing that I like with the Festool drill is that it had heavy duty swapable attachments. And I really like the "electronic" clutch. The drill shuts off when the predetermined torque is reached, none of that rattling noise of a slipping clutch, and therefore smoother. And I do not really know if this is true with all modern drills or not but I used to have a 12 volt Makita drill/driver and an impact driver. I use the impact driver more than the drill/driver. I have not used that impact driver since getting the Festool drill, T15, just a touch higher voltage. The power is smooth and controlled. I hear you but I'm unconvinced. I rather like the operation of an impact driver. I find it helps keep the bit from camming out. I can pull a buggered screw with the impact driver that there is no way to get out with a driver/drill. On occasion I use my Bosch impact. For the same reasons you mention, especially when removing. Or if I am mounting slides and predrillng with a Vix bit. I use the impact as a drill in that circumstance no the Festool drill to drive. I actually hadn't thought about puting the Vix bits in the impact driver. No real reason to, though. No, I wouldn't use an impact driver to drive that sort of screw either. I have plain drivers for that. ... I use the impact because it is handy and simply spins with no load. and I do not have to swap bits. I seldom use the impact for any other reason. FWIW I used the Makita impact a lot before I got the Festool drill. The Bosch impact just showed up on my front porch one day, addressed to me. Still a mystery as to who sent it, it came directly from Bosch. |
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 8:23:33 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
I pointed out that this is true but do you want to use an oversized tool when 98% of the time the smaller much lighter weight version probably has more advantages. I can tell you from experience that even the small Domino gets heavy after a hundred or so mortises. I reminded him that is much better to buy the tool that is better suited to a commonly repeated task than one that can be adapted to do the small stuff too but is intended for the big stuff. He should listen to you. No reason to kill ants with a sledge hammer. Besides, he should look at the breadth of utility that you have achieved with your machine and realize he is years out from testing the Domino's limits. Not really sure the big machine is the answer for a entry door. When I built them in the past (been years; they are too cheap and easy to buy these days) I always use 2x6 kiln dried lumber with butt joints held together by a 1x4 tenon. This method didn't require the highest degree of accuracy. I can't imagine lining the required amount of Dominoes needed to make a structurally sound joints. Robert |
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On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 11:06:52 PM UTC-6, wrote:
I can't imagine lining the required amount of Dominoes needed to make a structurally sound joints. Clafication: On something the size of a door. No need to argue the obvious value of making structurally sound joints. On further clarification, I would be more concerned with he alignment of all the required Dominoes and their close tolerances of something that size and bulk when assembling. Robert |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:35:39 -0500, krw wrote:
A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Sums up your yapping on the wreck vs actual woodworking beautifully. Now, tell me about your 12" dick, too. Sorry, you'll have to feed your gay fantasies elsewhere, Skippy. -- Behold! The field in which I grow my ****s. Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren. |
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:35:39 -0500, krw wrote:
I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Now, tell us about your 12" dick, too. Don't bother with this nut. He stole the "Trenbidia" tag from me - guess I just won't use it anymore. I sure don't want to be associated with some nut who's fried his brain on meth and this is the only way he can think of to pump up his non-existent ego. Wait for it - here comes his asinine response . -- Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! |
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:01:43 +0000, Trenbidia wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:35:39 -0500, krw wrote: I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Now, tell us about your 12" dick, too. Don't bother with this nut. He stole the "Trenbidia" tag from me - guess I just won't use it anymore. I sure don't want to be associated with some nut who's fried his brain on meth and this is the only way he can think of to pump up his non-existent ego. How many dirty socks do you own, KOOK? (I get fooled all the time by the constant hosiery parade in here.) -- What if a much of a which of a wind gives the truth to summer's lie? |
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:01:43 +0000, Trenbidia wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:35:39 -0500, krw wrote: I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Now, tell us about your 12" dick, too. Don't bother with this nut. He stole the "Trenbidia" tag from me - guess I just won't use it anymore. I sure don't want to be associated with some nut who's fried his brain on meth and this is the only way he can think of to pump up his non-existent ego. Wait for it - here comes his asinine response . Are you on drugs... or is insane idiot your default mode? |
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC), Trenbidia
wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017 21:35:39 -0500, krw wrote: I get more pussy than Tampex, you petulant little wankstain. Your deflective sophomoric reply confirms my assertion that you're nothing more than a leg-humping keyboard cowboy... all talk and no cattle. A fundamental rule of the universe is that the more one talks about it, the less one does. Now, tell us about your 12" dick, too. Don't bother with this nut. He stole the "Trenbidia" tag from me - guess I just won't use it anymore. I sure don't want to be associated with some nut who's fried his brain on meth and this is the only way he can think of to pump up his non-existent ego. Wow, you really are an excitable kook! Dissociative identity disorder, too. Wait for it - here comes his asinine response . No, that's *all* yours. |
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:50:46 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
Alignment is not difficult. Dry fit and mark both sides if all joints. Then cut exact fit mortises on one side and the elongated oversized mortise on the other. Leon, I have no doubt YOU could do it that way. But I am thinking of the odd sized doors we used to build (regular sizes were always purchased as blanks) as needed. For example, I remember building double 42" wide doors for a restaurant. I framed the door with kiln dried 2x6 (remember being able to easily purchase kiln dried wood?) and framed out the top, bottom, and sides with that, and put a a couple of 2x6s vertically inside that frame. With 2 sheets of 1/4" plywood as skins, plenty of PL400, we had a helluva door. It may be my lack of experience with he Domino machine, but I am thinking that with all the tenons that would be needed it would be impossible to get all of them aligned well enough to assemble. At least for me! BTW, the giant tenons never failed. By the time I got to the other end of the door when assembling the door, all I had to do was tap it together. I assembled the door frames with yellow glue and knocked a couple of 4d nails on each side and from each side while assembling. I used the PL400 on the skins as it was more flexible than the yellow glue and therefore less brittle when under heavy use. How strange... typing this I realize it has been decades since I built the doors. milled a jamb, set the hinges and hung the door. Just no need for those skills anymore. Robert |
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On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 11:46:05 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
No doubt your method worked exquisitely. And I did not intent to suggest that the Domino would be the better choice. I just wanted to assure you that there are tricks that eliminate any concern with alignment. I don't give alignment much more than a second thought. I always have wiggle room. But having said that some elements of the Domino mortiser, IMHO, are over engineered and therefore hard to ignore, but I do ignore them. :-) And I do not think I would be interested in building a fancy exterior door. |
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:45:59 -0600, Leon wrote:
But having said that some elements of the Domino mortiser, IMHO, are over engineered and therefore hard to ignore, but I do ignore them. :-) I have a Bosch dishwasher that is German engineered, but it is quiet. You can align the silverware in pretty military like rows in the top shelf. |
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On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 23:45:37 +0000, Colin Campbell wrote:
On Wed, 01 Mar 2017 21:01:43 +0000, Trenbidia wrote: Wait for it - here comes his asinine response . Are you on drugs... or is insane idiot your default mode? I can assure the group that I did not post the quoted message. |
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