....and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

--
GW Ross

Ne'er needlessly disturb a thing at rest

In article , gwr95
@comwest.net says...

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be providing
a guide for the tip end of the blade--would make it easier to get a
straight rip on thick stock. OTOH, for that purpose it's no substitute
for a table saw.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

What sort of tile? A wet saw is the right tool for ceramic tile,
particularly floor tile.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
small.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

John Doe wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.
And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.

--
Steve W.

Bull**** troll...

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John Doe wrote:
Gunner Asch gunnerasch gmail.com wrote:

krw krw nowhere.com wrote:
"G. Ross" gwr95 comwest.net wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.
And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.

--
Steve W.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:27:04 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.
\
True indeed. I do like the 3 yr warranty..assuming they actually
honor it.

Ive got jig saws up the ass that do all the above stuff without the
table, quite nicely. Along with a table saw, radial arm saw, worm
drive saws, standard circular saws etc etc etc. Too many in fact. How
many palm sanders does a guy really..really need? Shrug

If a guy/gal needs some power tools that will cut wood...they
could..could do worse than buying this device. It does look handy and
well made....

"J. Clarke" wrote:

says...
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be
providing a guide for the tip end of the blade

According to the manual, there appears to be such a guide on the new
cheaper version. But how well it guides depends on the stability of
the arm.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/

In article , says...

John Doe wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.
And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.

Well, it can, but my a lot more than $40 Bosch tends to bow the blade on
long rips in thick stock. If that thing has a tip guide to keep the
blade from bowing it may be worthwhile. OTOH, if they had made it so it
was an actual jigsaw with such a guide they might have had a major
winner.

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw

On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.


I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw like
that.

On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip


Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.

Skil, $129

http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922...480001747 499

$66

http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-til...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

At Home Depot, $54.97

http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpev jlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__p mt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGt o5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

John

Leon wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.
40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
jig saw isn't what you want.

--
Steve W.

On 10/14/2015 10:11 AM, Steve W. wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.
40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
saw cannot do easily.

No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
jig saw isn't what you want.

Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit or tile?
Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space saing multi
tool for a variety of reasons.

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:
John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old sabre
saw a jig saw.


This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of nothing
but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig saw, table
saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple light weight task.

In a shop where the tools will remain this tool might qualify as the
first tool to be bought for a shop, one to get you by until you increase
your expectations.

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
...
On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw
blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll
saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I
mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some.
I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed
a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds.
Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
.001"?

I've never seen them need to, however I trim it that close for bearing
spacers.

-jsw

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or
a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an
allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose
its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw
like that.

"Live out those childhood fantasies with your new BladeRunner X2!"

Seems to me it would be okay with a speed control on it. Apparently it's
compatible with a speed controller, being a brushed universal motor.

It's better than anything homebuilt.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip


Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
vertical bandsaw...

But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

John

its nothing more than a die filer that runs a blade. Which most die
filers could do.

http://www.gadgetbuilder.com/Die_Filer.jpg

The sole advantage over most die filers..is the ability to support the
top of the blade..which SOME die filers could do.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Jrou...ia/DF.jpg.html

Nearly all die filers either came with the support or it was available
as an acessory.

I am rather fascinated by this new one having a vertical support that
is thin enough to allow it to go into the kerf so you can cut a long
piece. Hopefuly..no one applys TOO much side force to that
support..and its heat treated really good..so it doesnt bend if you
bump it or bang it around.

I loaned my last die filer to someone..and it never came back, now
that I think about it. Humm...now who did I loan it
to......damnit....

Gunner

On 10/14/2015 11:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
...
On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw
blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll
saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I
mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some.
I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed
a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds.
Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
.001"?

I've never seen them need to, however I trim it that close for bearing
spacers.

-jsw


I don't recall the video mentioning trimming bearing spacers.

On 10/14/2015 1:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety of
tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and accuracy
is not a necessity.

On 10/14/2015 1:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip


Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
vertical bandsaw...

But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)


yeah! LOL. I was picturing a guy going up to one of his rental
properties and needing to cut some shoe molding or a short spacer to
fill in a gap.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:38:18 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/14/2015 1:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip


Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.


The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
vertical bandsaw...

But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)


yeah! LOL. I was picturing a guy going up to one of his rental
properties and needing to cut some shoe molding or a short spacer to
fill in a gap.

Oh I can see the weather stripping guys would LOVE this little saw and
maybe even the tile guys for repairs. Its not a universal tool, for
for a lot of things..it fills in a good sized hole in the tool
arsenal, from the looks of it.

Gunner

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
.001"?

Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety of
tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and
accuracy is not a necessity.

I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send their
Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to fail, I
will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized online store.
I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website says that bandsaw
is a "special purchase". It's been an adventure so far.

Concerns I have about the BladeRunner...

Difficult to feed material, but no worse than a jigsaw.

Not neat as a bandsaw for cutting aluminum flat bar.

Trouble cutting 2 x 4 due to thickness, but hopefully better than a
jigsaw. I have a miter saw that can be used if necessary. Probably a
good complement to the upside down jigsaw.

Not variable speed, and loud. But hopefully a speed controller will
help.

I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw, so I need something
else. I should have thought of alternatives to the miter saw a long time
ago. I was turned off by a POS 9 inch Delta bandsaw many years ago.

If it cuts aluminum flat bar better than I expect it will, it will be
worth it for that alone.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old
sabre saw a jig saw.

Yeah, the old jig saws had a thicker blade than a typical
scroll saw, a similar kerf to a bandsaw. That's why I
think they faded away - the fine blade of the scroll saw
is better for precise work, and the bandsaw is much faster
and cleaner for everything else.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of
nothing but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig
saw, table saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple
light weight task.

Good point, I hadn't considered job site uses. Altho I
suspect even there a handheld jigsaw (sabre saw) would
work just as well for less effort in most cases.

John

John Doe wrote in news:mvmg4t$47l$1@dont-
email.me:

I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,

Just for curiousity, why not?

Years ago I cut a significant amount of 1/8th aluminum with
a jigsaw, which turned out to be a mistake. Even blades
designed for aluminum are only intended for light duty,
and quickly dull, which then means there's a lot of heat
from friction, which then causes aluminum to build up on
the blade, which is the end of it.

If I had to do that again, I would get a non-ferrous blade
for my miter saw.

John

John McCoy wrote:

John Doe wrote:

I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,

Just for curiousity, why not?

It's little to do with the cutting itself.

The reason is because it's a mess. It's okay if you enjoy aluminum
showers. If you do it out in the backyard with a leaf blower aimed at
the cutpoint, it should be okay. Also, it's difficult to hold small
pieces without losing body parts. Miter saws are beasts. They work great
for the cutting itself, but they are overkill for cutting aluminum.

There's also the possibility of jamming, more violent than with wood.
That happened to me recently, bent the aluminum flat bar pretty good.
Apparently it didn't damage the miter saw or the IRWIN Marples 80-tooth
blade.

Years ago I cut a significant amount of 1/8th aluminum with a jigsaw,
which turned out to be a mistake. Even blades designed for aluminum
are only intended for light duty,

So use a blade that's not intended for light duty.

If I had to do that again, I would get a non-ferrous blade for my
miter saw.

Too bad it's not going to happen, because I'd like to hear about it.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:41:04 -0700, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw


Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

You just move it a bit to fit, unless you are into 1" or bigger.

On 2015-10-14, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you see
in a jigsaw puzzle.

However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
aluminum stock for the task.

I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
the sides.

These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
with a choice of blade widths.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:17:27 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.

Skil, $129

http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922...480001747 499

$66

http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-til...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

At Home Depot, $54.97

http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpev jlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__p mt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGt o5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

Seven models from $40 to $279.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...ult?q=tile+saw

It had a nice blade attachment process.
It had nice thickness attachment and blade in the rear.
It had a nice fence.

So it depends on the price and the options.

Martin

On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

John Doe wrote:

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
see in a jigsaw puzzle.

Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
of both tools.

--






However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
aluminum stock for the task.

I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
the sides.

These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
with a choice of blade widths.)

Enjoy,
DoN.