....and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

--
GW Ross

Ne'er needlessly disturb a thing at rest

In article , gwr95
@comwest.net says...

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be providing
a guide for the tip end of the blade--would make it easier to get a
straight rip on thick stock. OTOH, for that purpose it's no substitute
for a table saw.

"J. Clarke" wrote:

says...
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be
providing a guide for the tip end of the blade

According to the manual, there appears to be such a guide on the new
cheaper version. But how well it guides depends on the stability of
the arm.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
small.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

John Doe wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.
And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.

--
Steve W.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:27:04 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.
\
True indeed. I do like the 3 yr warranty..assuming they actually
honor it.

Ive got jig saws up the ass that do all the above stuff without the
table, quite nicely. Along with a table saw, radial arm saw, worm
drive saws, standard circular saws etc etc etc. Too many in fact. How
many palm sanders does a guy really..really need? Shrug

If a guy/gal needs some power tools that will cut wood...they
could..could do worse than buying this device. It does look handy and
well made....

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
Gunner Asch wrote:

krw wrote:
"G. Ross" wrote:
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
must
be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
bit small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
does
a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
collection
is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw

On 2015-10-14, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw wrote:

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote:

John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you see
in a jigsaw puzzle.

However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
aluminum stock for the task.

I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
the sides.

These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
with a choice of blade widths.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols" wrote:

John Doe wrote:

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
be an allusion...

Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
see in a jigsaw puzzle.

Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
of both tools.

--






However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
aluminum stock for the task.

I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
the sides.

These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
with a choice of blade widths.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.


I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw like
that.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or
a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an
allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose
its main limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
blades to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw
like that.

"Live out those childhood fantasies with your new BladeRunner X2!"

Seems to me it would be okay with a speed control on it. Apparently it's
compatible with a speed controller, being a brushed universal motor.

It's better than anything homebuilt.

It had a nice blade attachment process.
It had nice thickness attachment and blade in the rear.
It had a nice fence.

So it depends on the price and the options.

Martin

On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

What sort of tile? A wet saw is the right tool for ceramic tile,
particularly floor tile.

On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.

Skil, $129

http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922...480001747 499

$66

http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-til...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

At Home Depot, $54.97

http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpev jlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__p mt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGt o5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:17:27 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
limitation is thickness of material.

Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
to help make straight cuts possible.

I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
hefty 5.5 amp motor.

Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.

Skil, $129

http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922...480001747 499

$66

http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-til...B&gclsrc=aw.ds

At Home Depot, $54.97

http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpev jlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__p mt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGt o5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

Seven models from $40 to $279.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalog...ult?q=tile+saw

John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

John

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:
John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old sabre
saw a jig saw.


This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of nothing
but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig saw, table
saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple light weight task.

In a shop where the tools will remain this tool might qualify as the
first tool to be bought for a shop, one to get you by until you increase
your expectations.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old
sabre saw a jig saw.

Yeah, the old jig saws had a thicker blade than a typical
scroll saw, a similar kerf to a bandsaw. That's why I
think they faded away - the fine blade of the scroll saw
is better for precise work, and the bandsaw is much faster
and cleaner for everything else.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of
nothing but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig
saw, table saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple
light weight task.

Good point, I hadn't considered job site uses. Altho I
suspect even there a handheld jigsaw (sabre saw) would
work just as well for less effort in most cases.

John

On 10/14/2015 4:14 PM, John McCoy wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old
sabre saw a jig saw.

Yeah, the old jig saws had a thicker blade than a typical
scroll saw, a similar kerf to a bandsaw. That's why I
think they faded away - the fine blade of the scroll saw
is better for precise work, and the bandsaw is much faster
and cleaner for everything else.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of
nothing but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig
saw, table saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple
light weight task.

Good point, I hadn't considered job site uses. Altho I
suspect even there a handheld jigsaw (sabre saw) would
work just as well for less effort in most cases.

John

Once upon a time I worked for a builder installing shoe molding. My
partner and I would do that work, he measured, I cut, he nailed.
With the newer style round cornered sheet rock you don't 45 the outside
corners rather you cut a piece of molding about 1" long with a 22.5
miter on both ends to go around the corner. Pieces this size tended to
launch from the miter saw and were too short for a jig saw, not to
mention not introducing a bevel to the miter when cutting a rounded top
piece of material. I think this jig saw in a box would be a good tool
for those tiny piece cuts.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote:

John Doe wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

John

its nothing more than a die filer that runs a blade. Which most die
filers could do.

http://www.gadgetbuilder.com/Die_Filer.jpg

The sole advantage over most die filers..is the ability to support the
top of the blade..which SOME die filers could do.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Jrou...ia/DF.jpg.html

Nearly all die filers either came with the support or it was available
as an acessory.

I am rather fascinated by this new one having a vertical support that
is thin enough to allow it to go into the kerf so you can cut a long
piece. Hopefuly..no one applys TOO much side force to that
support..and its heat treated really good..so it doesnt bend if you
bump it or bang it around.

I loaned my last die filer to someone..and it never came back, now
that I think about it. Humm...now who did I loan it
to......damnit....

Gunner

https://youtu.be/NzRSE-ZMdR8?t=51

A miniature tablesaw for cutting aluminum pieces.

Preliminarily speaking...

Cut a 0.125" x 0.5" aluminum flat bar. Kind of slow. Kind of rough. What
you might expect from an upside down jigsaw. Little pieces can fall down
into the blade slot.

Scroll cut some one inch wood (pine I guess). Cuts okay.

Used the attachment with a 10 amp vacuum attached. There is some dust
underneath the device and a small amount on the table, anyway.

Looks like they use very small ball bearings for the blade guide that
barely covers the blade (from the back) less than 1/8 inch. I really
don't understand why use a ball bearing blade guide on a jigsaw. Seems
like cool blocks (or whatever they're called) would do at least as well
as blade guide material since the blade reverses direction every 3/4
inches.

The arm is not solid, as expected. It probably cannot be made solid
being so thin (.067 inches, 1.7 mm). It's that thin so long material can
move through it. I'd rather have a solid blade guide without that long
cut capability.

Lots of plastic, but it looks well made and it's well packaged (unlike
typical Chinese stuff). Apparently they do use steel inserts for the
clamping screws. Yay.

No surprises. Looks like it will be useful as an upside down jigsaw.
Much better than anything I could make.

Looks like a nice complement to a similarly sized (small) table saw. But
I think a wood cutting bandsaw with one additional (slow) speed would be
excellent. Unless you want to frequently change blades.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 00:25:56 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe wrote:

snip
The arm is not solid, as expected. It probably cannot be made solid
being so thin (.067 inches, 1.7 mm). It's that thin so long material can
move through it. I'd rather have a solid blade guide without that long
cut capability.

That sounds a lot like a scroll saw ;-)

The 16 inch models were/are really common. Usually have variable speed
control and the table can be tilted too. For example:

http://www.harborfreight.com/16-inch...saw-93012.html

Maybe watch Craig's list for a cheap used one. Bought mine maybe 20
years ago, an inexpensive Ryobi. Looks darn near identical to that HF
model...

They also make adapter tables for the hand-held bandsaws. Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JILHZI5sxg

You are rather limited on blade choices though, namely just tpi.

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I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.

"John Doe" wrote:

I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.
----------------------------------------------------
How well can you follow a straight drawn line freehand with a scroll
saw?

That's the limit of how straight you're your cut line will be.

It's also the technique used by die board tooling makers.

No problem cutting a 12"-15" straight line in 11 ply (5/8") die board.

Think of a valve cover gasket for an engine.

The cutting die to stamp the cover gasket uses the above technique.

Personally, I wouldn't try to cut material much beyond 1" in
thickness.

You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

"John Doe" wrote:

I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
cutting straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a
straight cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
are not meant for making even short straight cuts.

How well can you follow a straight drawn line freehand with a scroll
saw?

That's the limit of how straight you're your cut line will be.

It's also the technique used by die board tooling makers.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, to that point.

The only videos I have seen on YouTube that show cutting a straight line
on a scroll saw, make it look like a hassle.

Yours would be a valuable contribution, if you can show how to easily
make straight cuts with a scroll saw.

Are you saying that cutting a straight line on a scroll saw is the test of
whether you can skillfully use a scroll saw? I guess that's fine, it's
just not normal for a saw to require skill to cut a straight line. So it's
not made for cutting straight lines. And it requires some skill to cut any
sort of line. I can accept that.

Enjoy your scroll saw.

--










No problem cutting a 12"-15" straight line in 11 ply (5/8") die board.

Think of a valve cover gasket for an engine.

The cutting die to stamp the cover gasket uses the above technique.

Personally, I wouldn't try to cut material much beyond 1" in
thickness.

You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Lew

"John Doe" wrote in message
...
I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.

Users who have trouble cutting straight say that. The ones with better
skill / coordination / eyesight don't.

Can you draw a straight line with a pencil?

As I'm sure this persistent troll knows, I've already agreed with the
idea that if you are skilled at using a scroll saw, you can cut
straight. But clearly cutting straight is not what scroll saws are made
for. Otherwise they would have guides. Otherwise there would be YouTube
videos showing how easy it is to make a straight cut on a scroll saw.
They don't and there isn't.


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I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.

Users who have trouble cutting straight say that. The ones with better
skill / coordination / eyesight don't.

Can you draw a straight line with a pencil?

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:19:35 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe wrote:

I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.

They are available, but maybe not big enough for your needs:

http://www.micromark.com/microlux-mi...-use,7114.html

An old review he

http://www.arizonarails.com/multi_sc...aw_review.html

You might want to look through Micro-Marts site/catalog for other ideas
too. There prices aren't the best but they do carry a lot of specialty
items.

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Grand Rapids MI/Zone 5b
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I'm impressed. With the rip fence and the miter thingy, it's really
versatile. Also, I installed a speed controller for $11 that should
easily handle the power. It should do well for occasionally building
small things. My miter saw might not be necessary.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

i dunno it looks like a reasonable idea
but it is so slow

i would never buy one
might be a nice tool for a kid to have

Electric Comet wrote:

John Doe wrote:

...and isn't afraid to admit it?

i dunno it looks like a reasonable idea but it is so slow

It's a jigsaw.

i would never buy one

You are hereby and henceforth prohibited from buying one, ever.

might be a nice tool for a kid to have

A kid that designs and builds stuff, like me.

I'm enjoying it.

But it might need a little more ventilation, seems to overheat.