On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


Nice job, but one piece top, how do you carry that without breaking it.
There doesn't seem to be enough meet to hold that together without
twisting it.

Why not make it 3 pieces to transport???? Just asking, not criticizing.
I assume you have something up your sleeve.


--
Jeff

On 11/2/2014 4:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


Nice job, but one piece top, how do you carry that without breaking it.
There doesn't seem to be enough meet to hold that together without
twisting it.

Well I sure wanted the towers to stand by them selves but the customer
wanted crown molding, and that was a good thing for appearances sake. I
did not want to have to deal with attaching the crown to the towers
after delivery as something would have gone wrong. ;~) Rather than
leave it up to chance I make it all one unit.

It is however rock solid and not about to twist. The center shelf unit
has a top that extends 3/4" on both sides so that it actually hangs on
top and in between the towers. From there, on the back sides of the
center shelf unit's stiles, front and back, are 28 pocket hole screws, 7
on each stile.

A picture is worth a 1000000 words.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15696899562/


When I get to the customers house I just have to set that unit back up
on top and attach the 4 anchoring bolts to hold it in place on the
bottom cabinet, rehang the doors and insert the drawers.








Why not make it 3 pieces to transport???? Just asking, not criticizing.
I assume you have something up your sleeve.

On 11/2/2014 4:18 PM, woodchucker wrote:



Nice job, but one piece top, how do you carry that without breaking it.
There doesn't seem to be enough meet to hold that together without
twisting it.

Why not make it 3 pieces to transport???? Just asking, not criticizing.
I assume you have something up your sleeve.




Oh, and thank you.

On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:


Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


The woodworking is excellent, of course. The customer's design may be a
bit shortsighted though. I've seen quite a few entertainment centers
hacked up to fit a larger flat screen. The future looks like wide 21:9
aspect ratio.

On 11/2/2014 5:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:


Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


The woodworking is excellent, of course. The customer's design may be a
bit shortsighted though. I've seen quite a few entertainment centers
hacked up to fit a larger flat screen. The future looks like wide 21:9
aspect ratio.

Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/

"Leon" wrote:

On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center
that I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation
so this job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe
not quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all
one piece and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made
with the Domino. The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and
contract. I used 5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the
bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3
separate wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/
-------------------------------------------------
As always, NEAT!!!

I have just one question.

Where do you hide the mover genie?

The one with the extra set of hands that assists in moving finished
pieces
to customers.

Lew

On 11/2/2014 5:46 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Leon" wrote:

On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center
that I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation
so this job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe
not quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all
one piece and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made
with the Domino. The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and
contract. I used 5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the
bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3
separate wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/
-------------------------------------------------
As always, NEAT!!!

I have just one question.

Where do you hide the mover genie?

The one with the extra set of hands that assists in moving finished
pieces
to customers.

Lew




I start calling in favors.. ;~)
Thanks Lew.

On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

Lord, Leon, you sure do nice crisp work. It appears that the recent
discussion here about glue and saw dust was totally wasted on you

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide
screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


Leon, what did you use to get the black finish on the wood? And is it
actually as black as it looks?

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:51:59 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Well I sure wanted the towers to stand by them selves but the customer
wanted crown molding, and that was a good thing for appearances sake. I
did not want to have to deal with attaching the crown to the towers
after delivery as something would have gone wrong. ;~) Rather than
leave it up to chance I make it all one unit.

I like it. Always, nice job.

As for as molding vs separate crown: A design idea - a separate crown, not permanately attached to the towers, etal., but just sits on top, held in position with non-glued dowels, pins or a recessed fitting, of some sort; If the SketchUp mantle pic is correct, matching the crown's design, to the mantle, would have coordinated the overall view of the two. Would the mantle/surround happen to be made of white oak, also (just wondering)?

I would have had confidence in your work, Leon, not to have had anything go "wrong" with either an attached crown or a separate crown. I would think, though, the assembling of the additional (and awkward?) weight of a separate crown, that high up, would be a bit of a task, even with a little help. Though I have not built it yet, I'm anticipating this kind of assembly difficulty with the separate crown for my entertainment center, 12' long and about 24" deep, even with the expected help I hope to get.

Sonny

On 11/3/2014 7:08 AM, Sonny wrote:
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 4:51:59 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:

Well I sure wanted the towers to stand by them selves but the customer
wanted crown molding, and that was a good thing for appearances sake. I
did not want to have to deal with attaching the crown to the towers
after delivery as something would have gone wrong. ;~) Rather than
leave it up to chance I make it all one unit.

I like it. Always, nice job.

Thank you!


As for as molding vs separate crown: A design idea - a separate crown, not permanately attached to the towers, etal., but just sits on top, held in position with non-glued dowels, pins or a recessed fitting, of some sort; If the SketchUp mantle pic is correct, matching the crown's design, to the mantle, would have coordinated the overall view of the two. Would the mantle/surround happen to be made of white oak, also (just wondering)?

With building this particular project I did see how I could have
probably built the crown assembly as a separate unit. I typically build
my crowns up as layers of strips of wood. This particular crown was a 3
pieces attached to a base cap. I probably would screw it to attach,
there are several screws holding this all together with the smaller two
strips, part of the crown, hiding the screws.

As for matching the mantle, this piece also is relatively close to the
kitchen, which has another style crown altogether. She was not wanting
to match so much as just have a crown top. The mantel is painted white
as is the fireplace. The piece I built blends well with the floor and
wall color.



I would have had confidence in your work, Leon, not to have had anything go "wrong" with either an attached crown or a separate crown. I would think, though, the assembling of the additional (and awkward?) weight of a separate crown, that high up, would be a bit of a task, even with a little help. Though I have not built it yet, I'm anticipating this kind of assembly difficulty with the separate crown for my entertainment center, 12' long and about 24" deep, even with the expected help I hope to get.

The top cabinets were sitting on the floor when I attached the crown,
the top is approximately 55" up from the floor. Attaching the crown was
easy at the height. The crown is rock solid and you can actually lift
the upper cabinet assembly by the crown.

My thought was that if I separated and reassembled the 3 top cabinet
units that there might be some displacement somewhere and getting the
crown, a separate unit to fit might be problematic, something I do not
want to tackle at a customers home. Through the years of delivering
pieces that I have built I steer more towards getting in and getting
out. I would much rather tackle a logistics problem at my shop than in
front of the customer.

Good luck with your endeavor.

Sonny

On 11/3/2014 4:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

NO kidding. We waited for what seemed forever several years back to buy
our original wide screen, a 40 incher. We paid less for the 65 inch
internet smart TV model than that 40 inch model.

On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:02:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

That's some beautiful work, Leon!

On 11/3/2014 6:54 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


Leon, what did you use to get the black finish on the wood? And is it
actually as black as it looks?


Black Lamp milk paint with a couple of coats of gel varnish on the
cabinet. Regular latex flat black paint on the wall and edges of the
walnut wall panels. Yes it is quite black.

On 11/3/2014 6:45 AM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

Lord, Leon, you sure do nice crisp work. It appears that the recent
discussion here about glue and saw dust was totally wasted on you



Thank you, and no discussion is a waste, I was there at one time. ;~)

On 11/3/2014 10:25 AM, Michael wrote:
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:02:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

That's some beautiful work, Leon!


Thank you!

On 11/03/2014 09:25 AM, Michael wrote:
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:02:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

That's some beautiful work, Leon!

....and the pictures show how crisp and sharp the product is.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 11/3/2014 1:57 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/03/2014 09:25 AM, Michael wrote:
On Sunday, November 2, 2014 2:02:33 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

That's some beautiful work, Leon!

...and the pictures show how crisp and sharp the product is.


Thank you for noticing Doug. I often just use the iPhone for pictures
but the "regular" camera was used for these. It does show details much
better.

Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

Superior workmanship, materials and design.

--
 GW Ross 

 Today is a good day to bribe a high 
 ranking public official. 

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:03:28 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 4:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

NO kidding. We waited for what seemed forever several years back to buy
our original wide screen, a 40 incher. We paid less for the 65 inch
internet smart TV model than that 40 inch model.

The price collapse has driven several out of the market and more to
come. My employer will be one of the next to leave the market (it's
already pulling way back). It'll be up to the Koreans and Chinese.
Not really a bad thing, overall, it just is.

On 11/3/2014 5:34 PM, G. Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/

Superior workmanship, materials and design.



Thank you!

On 11/3/2014 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:03:28 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 4:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

NO kidding. We waited for what seemed forever several years back to buy
our original wide screen, a 40 incher. We paid less for the 65 inch
internet smart TV model than that 40 inch model.

The price collapse has driven several out of the market and more to
come. My employer will be one of the next to leave the market (it's
already pulling way back). It'll be up to the Koreans and Chinese.
Not really a bad thing, overall, it just is.


An old friend and past neighbor that did quite well in the TV repair
business in the 70's, 80's, 90's, maybe a little past 2000 told me that
95% of all the TV's regardless of brand, for the last 15-20 years, were
pretty much built in China/Asia and or at least a majority of the
components. The so to speak American brands simply had an American name.

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 18:37:12 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:03:28 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 4:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

NO kidding. We waited for what seemed forever several years back to buy
our original wide screen, a 40 incher. We paid less for the 65 inch
internet smart TV model than that 40 inch model.

The price collapse has driven several out of the market and more to
come. My employer will be one of the next to leave the market (it's
already pulling way back). It'll be up to the Koreans and Chinese.
Not really a bad thing, overall, it just is.


An old friend and past neighbor that did quite well in the TV repair
business in the 70's, 80's, 90's, maybe a little past 2000 told me that
95% of all the TV's regardless of brand, for the last 15-20 years, were
pretty much built in China/Asia and or at least a majority of the
components. The so to speak American brands simply had an American name.


Sure, but the Japanese are/were in the middle of the transfer. They're
no longer competitive either. Korea will be next and we'll be left
with China. Again, I don't see it as all bad.

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).

On 11/3/2014 7:52 PM, wrote:

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).


New features and innovation is keeping prices up on the latest models.
Curved screen seems to be the newest. 3D has been a bit of a lop so far.

After buying my 47". the price dropped $25 a week.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:57:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/3/2014 7:52 PM, wrote:

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).


New features and innovation is keeping prices up on the latest models.
Curved screen seems to be the newest. 3D has been a bit of a lop so far.

I believe the curved screen will be the same. It doesn't make any
sense.

After buying my 47". the price dropped $25 a week.

Pretty soon, they'll be paying *you*. ;-)

wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:57:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/3/2014 7:52 PM, wrote:

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.
There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).

New features and innovation is keeping prices up on the latest models.
Curved screen seems to be the newest. 3D has been a bit of a lop so far.
I believe the curved screen will be the same. It doesn't make any
sense.

I saw one of those at Best Buy. I said that's nice. Oh, $7000?
I didn't think it was "that" nice--not even close.



After buying my 47". the price dropped $25 a week.
Pretty soon, they'll be paying *you*. ;-)

On 11/3/2014 6:52 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 18:37:12 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 09:03:28 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/3/2014 4:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:32:55 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:



Thank you!

She only calls it an entertainment center because he is going to put a
radio of some sort in the bottom cabinet. I would have called it a
display cabinet. She has an Indian temple carving that will sit between
the towers and nick knacks will be in the towers.

If you will notice, the big screen is above the fireplace to the left of
the cabinet.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/15140867902/

OK, then no restrictions. Although above the fireplace can be
uncomfortable, it sees very common.


FWIW this is what I did at our home, good for at least a 90" wide screen.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/10483001133/


It won't be long that the 90" screen is about $199. I like that
setup.

NO kidding. We waited for what seemed forever several years back to buy
our original wide screen, a 40 incher. We paid less for the 65 inch
internet smart TV model than that 40 inch model.

The price collapse has driven several out of the market and more to
come. My employer will be one of the next to leave the market (it's
already pulling way back). It'll be up to the Koreans and Chinese.
Not really a bad thing, overall, it just is.


An old friend and past neighbor that did quite well in the TV repair
business in the 70's, 80's, 90's, maybe a little past 2000 told me that
95% of all the TV's regardless of brand, for the last 15-20 years, were
pretty much built in China/Asia and or at least a majority of the
components. The so to speak American brands simply had an American name.


Sure, but the Japanese are/were in the middle of the transfer. They're
no longer competitive either. Korea will be next and we'll be left
with China. Again, I don't see it as all bad.

Yes but that was, the Japanese were in the middle a few decades ago.
Regardless those that provide the quality and innovation at an
affordable price will take control of the market.



IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).

Well now there is but my first 18.1" NEC monitor in 2001 cost me $1,100.
And yeah, I think the monitors prices probably have bottomed. 27"
monitors going for $300. Remember when a 27" TV, tube type, was
considered huge and much more than $300? LOL

On 11/3/2014 8:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/3/2014 7:52 PM, wrote:

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.

There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).


New features and innovation is keeping prices up on the latest models.
Curved screen seems to be the newest. 3D has been a bit of a lop so far.

I have had, in the last 15 months, 2- 70" and now a 65" wide screen.
Both 70" Sharp TV's failed in less than a year. In August while
deciding once again with what to go with we saw that the curved screens
were the new thing. Not impressed. As one salesman pointed out the
curve is supposed to cut down on glare. what really happens is that all
of the glare gets focused in mostly one spot on the screen and much more
so. 3D, we have had it on all 3 sets mentioned above. We used it long
enough to see if it worked. Again IMHO 3D will not be a thing until
there are NO glasses to wear.

And that brings up an interesting point. I was watching a video of
Sharps new 8K 3D TV, even on my computer monitor with no special glasses
the picture/video on that TV appeared to be 3D. So that feature might
not be too far off. I thought something was a bit unusual before it was
announced that this TV was 3D with out the need of special glasses.




After buying my 47". the price dropped $25 a week.

On 11/3/2014 9:13 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 03 Nov 2014 21:57:42 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 11/3/2014 7:52 PM, wrote:

IMHO once the LCD screens took hold there was no reason for the high
prices. Lap top computers in the late 80's told me the direction that
computer monitors and eventually TV's would eventually go.
There is a rather substantial difference between a computer monitor
and a 90" TV display but, yes, the price collapse is on the same order
as PCs have already seen (and have just about bottomed out).

New features and innovation is keeping prices up on the latest models.
Curved screen seems to be the newest. 3D has been a bit of a lop so
far.
I believe the curved screen will be the same. It doesn't make any
sense.

I saw one of those at Best Buy. I said that's nice. Oh, $7000? I
didn't think it was "that" nice--not even close.



After buying my 47". the price dropped $25 a week.
Pretty soon, they'll be paying *you*. ;-)



IIRC I was looking at one also at Best Buy and a 55" but much much less
than that. And right now you can get a Samsung 55" curved screen for $1500.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...reen&cp=1&lp=1

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

*snip*

And that brings up an interesting point. I was watching a video of
Sharps new 8K 3D TV, even on my computer monitor with no special
glasses the picture/video on that TV appeared to be 3D. So that
feature might not be too far off. I thought something was a bit
unusual before it was announced that this TV was 3D with out the need
of special glasses.


The Nintendo 3DS allows for 3D without special glasses. The problem is,
however, the "3Dness" adjusts as the screen moves. The right setting for
one distance is wrong for one only a few degrees off.

I have a tendency to move the system slightly during game play, so tend
to play in "2D mode" as much as possible.

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On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this job
took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used 5/16"
x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


Looks terrific, Leon. Very nice work. Thanks for sharing!

JP

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"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message


Leon, what did you use to get the black finish on the wood? And is it
actually as black as it looks?


Black Lamp milk paint with a couple of coats of gel varnish on the
cabinet. Regular latex flat black paint on the wall and edges of the
walnut wall panels. Yes it is quite black.

Thanks, appreciated & noted.

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On 11/4/2014 3:51 AM, John Paquay wrote:
On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this job
took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used 5/16"
x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


Looks terrific, Leon. Very nice work. Thanks for sharing!

JP

Thank you John!

And another great job goes on the books.

Nicely done as always. I really like your workmanship, but I like your designs just as much.

I always appreciate the time and effort you put into your projects, but also the time and effort you put into showing all of us what you are up to.

Great stuff!

Robert

On 11/5/2014 12:39 AM, wrote:
And another great job goes on the books.

Nicely done as always. I really like your workmanship, but I like your designs just as much.

I always appreciate the time and effort you put into your projects, but also the time and effort you put into showing all of us what you are up to.

Great stuff!

Robert



Thank you Robert! This is one of those pieces that I would like to
keep for myself, it's not what we need but it seems to look good for any
setting. Basically it is not designed specifically to fit a particular
need.

On 11/3/2014 1:21 PM, Leon wrote:

Thank you!

You suck, Bubba!

Too damned busy to keep up with your unceasing raising the damned bar!


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On 11/5/2014 7:21 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 1:21 PM, Leon wrote:

Thank you!

You suck, Bubba!

Too damned busy to keep up with your unceasing raising the damned bar!




Well you have a living to make. ;~) Otherwise I think we would be
neck'n neck.

On 11/2/2014 3:02 PM, Leon wrote:
On August 27 I started buying white oak for an entertainment center that
I build for a customer. In the middle I took a week vacation so this
job took me about 8 weeks.


Approximately 83" wide x 82" tall. And it weighs a ton, well maybe not
quite that much. The towers and center upper cabinet are all one piece
and bolted to the bottom cabinet top through slots made with the Domino.
The slots will allow the solid oak top expand and contract. I used
5/16" x 2" bolts threaded into inserts on the bottoms of each tower.

Old master gel varnish for the finish, 3 separate coats and 3 separate
wipe on's and down's for each coat.

Please take a look and any comments or questions are welcome.

Starting at the top, Double click the pics to enlarge.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/


I'm curious about the top detail. How many components make up that
profile? My best guess is a layer of 3/4", and a layer of 1/2"
sandwiched together, then a piece of 3/4" mounted perpendicular to the
sandwich for the very top, and a piece of 1/2" X 1" molding in the
corner. Or maybe the topmost piece is molding too, 3/4" square? (or more
likely, I'm entirely off base?)

How did you get the idea for that particular shape?

Oh, by the way, a very nice job you've done there. To my untutored eye,
the design manages to look both modern and classic.