As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be easy
to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the cabinet
sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides for
the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this, always
just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is better? Or
centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points

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On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
top of the runners?




I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points

On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points

I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
and jamming in the slots.

dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his
&
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
sides
for the rabbet for the runners?

I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points
--------------------------------------
Whatever floats your boat.


Lew

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing to
impede lateral motion.

--

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"Greg Guarino" wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points

I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
and jamming in the slots.

That makes sense, thanks, Greg.

In this case, there will be no pulls, just an arc cut out of the top of
the front. These drawers will be recessed about 3" into the cabinets.
The 3" is to make room for sort of a medicine cabinet thingy hanging on
the back of the doors that cover the cabinets.


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"dadiOH" writes:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

Grooves, surely? A dado is across the grain, a groove with the grain.

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message

"dadiOH" writes:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
his & her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will
be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
the cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
sides for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
on top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

Grooves, surely? A dado is across the grain, a groove with the grain.

What, I can't make vertical grain sides??

How about "lengthwise excavation"


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Greg Guarino wrote in news:m2rcsg$o33$1@dont-
email.me:

I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
and jamming in the slots.

Well, that certainly does make sense. I was thinking that all
the examples I could think of of that style had the runner
pretty much centered, but couldn't think of any reason I'd
ever heard for doing it that way. But I think you have it.

John

On 10/29/2014 2:50 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 10/29/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points

I have no experience, but I think I can give a reason (Physics). I think
the closer the runners are to the height of the handles, the more likely
the drawer will pull straight out, as opposed to tilting forward or back
and jamming in the slots.

+10 extra points for Greg's reasoning.

Definitely, placing the runner guides at (or as near as possible to) the
same height as the pull will provide the smoothest action. Even in a
case where the drawer will be very heavily loaded, this works well.

Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
wrote:




Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.

On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers
are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set on
top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing to
impede lateral motion.


I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:51:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
wrote:




Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.

Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO. I really like
the bottom-mount Blum slides for this application.

Word of caution - don't store your stash of slides in an open-top
plastic container in the basement under a leaking toilet. :-(

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
his & her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will
be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
the cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
sides for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
on top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing
to
impede lateral motion.


I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?

Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...

If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the drawer
will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there is nothing
to stop it from doing do.

If you make grooves in the drawer sides and fit a piece to wood to it
(slightly sloppy, 1/32 max.) and attach that piece of wood to a partition
side, the drawer will move in and out but cannot move side to side (except
for the "slightly sloppy") because the piece of wood prevents it.


--

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On 10/30/2014 1:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the
drawer will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there is
nothing to stop it from doing do.


I was wondering about that too; I had imagined a box with solid sides.

wrote in message

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:51:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
wrote:




Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.

Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO. I really like
the bottom-mount Blum slides for this application.

In my case, saving money doesn't enter into it. Not that I don't use
slides, have a kitchen full of them.

In this case, it is simpler and more precise for me to simply plow grooves
in the partition sides...one setup and I can do all. I take a length of
oak that I have on hand (and for which I will probably have no future use)
and fit it to the grooves, one size fits all. After I make the drawers,
I'll plow grooves in them - sides, fronts and backs - and again, one setup
does all. To me, that is easier, faster and simpler than fitting 60
separate slide pieces for the 15 drawers, YMMV.

Besides, I enjoy doing it.

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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
wrote:




Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.

Obviously, you don't make vanities so what do you make?

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On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:32:45 -0400, krw wrote:

Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO.

For construction grade, I agree. But if I'm making a piece of fine
furniture, metal drawer slides just seem out of place to me.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:54:14 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing to
impede lateral motion.

Drawers that sit on a web frame usually have a small strip glued to the
top of the web frame on each side to prevent lateral motion.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:22:21 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:32:45 -0400, krw wrote:

Ditto that. Projects like this take time and money. Saving a little
money on slides doesn't seem to make much sense, IMO.

For construction grade, I agree. But if I'm making a piece of fine
furniture, metal drawer slides just seem out of place to me.

They don't to me and I don't understand that mentality at all. I can
understand not wanting the normal side-mounted ball-bearing guides but
bottom-mount guides can't be seen. Our Amish-built dining room and
bedroom furniture is certainly not "construction grade" and use the
bottom-mount self-closing guides throughout. The Cherry isn't even
painted! ;-)

IIRC, this is in a bathroom, so humidity is to be expected. Of course
it's a personal thing, but I wouldn't use anything other (than bottom
mount self-closers).

On 10/30/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on
his & her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with
five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the
drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they
will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into
the cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer
sides for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers set
on top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is nothing
to
impede lateral motion.


I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of the
drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on top
of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?

Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...

If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the
drawer will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there is
nothing to stop it from doing do.

Gotcha! I was visualizing solid walls that the slides attached to also.
The walls/panels would prevent the drawer from sliding side to side.





If you make grooves in the drawer sides and fit a piece to wood to it
(slightly sloppy, 1/32 max.) and attach that piece of wood to a
partition side, the drawer will move in and out but cannot move side to
side (except for the "slightly sloppy") because the piece of wood
prevents it.

"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message
news
On 10/30/2014 12:02 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 2:54 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Leon" lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in message

On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting
on
his & her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each
with
five drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all
the drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they
will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let
into the cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the
drawer
sides for the rabbet for the runners?

Rabbet? or Groves for the runners? Why not just let the drawers
set on top of the runners?

Dang & blast. Yes, of course, dadoes.

The drawers can't sit on top of the runners because there is
nothing
to
impede lateral motion.


I'm still confused, how do runners that slip inside the length of
the
drawer lessen lateral motion over the drawer sides simply sitting on
top of the slides. I have never had issue with that set up?

Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other...

If you make something like a web frame and sit a drawer on it, the
drawer will slide in and out; it will also move side to side as there
is
nothing to stop it from doing do.

Gotcha! I was visualizing solid walls that the slides attached to also.
The walls/panels would prevent the drawer from sliding side to side.

I need space between drawer sides and partitions so that the sides can
clear the face frame.

--

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On 10/29/2014 11:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:

As soon as I finish tiling our master bath I will be starting on his &
her vanities.

The vanities will have a total of three drawer stacks, each with five
drawers. Being lazy, I have arranged things so that all the drawers are
the same width and length, only two diferent depths, so they will be
easy to make I plan to suspend them with oak runners let into the
cabinet sides.

My question is where - if any - is the best place on the drawer sides
for the rabbet for the runners? I have made many drawers like this,
always just cut the rabbets a bit above center but maybe near top is
better? Or centered? Below center? Is there a "best" place?

All opinions welcome, experience and reasons are worth extra points



And now for an opinion. If you pull the drawer completely out, would it
be easier to see the slide to reinsert the drawer if the grove in the
drawer side was closer to the top? Just a thought. Otherwise I don't
see any advantage.

On 10/30/2014 1:17 PM, dadiOH wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 05:21:05 -0400, John Paquay
wrote:



Ball bearing slides pretty much make it a moot point.

That would be my first choice. My bathroom vanities are made by
Bertch and use self closing glides. Give the drawer a push and it
closes gently. Sure, they cost a bit more but I figure I'm worth it.

Obviously, you don't make vanities so what do you make?


I make whatever I choose to make. Time constraints were such that it
was smarter to buy rather than make. If your wife was recovering from
major surgery would you take care of her needs or build a cabinet?

I subbed out 95% of the bathroom work. Got rid of the tub and have a
60" shower that is easily accessed.