Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

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"Swingman" wrote in message
...

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

Here's what I use and recommend: dead accurate, no batteries, $18.90

http://www.garrettwade.com/stud-finder/p/25T23.01/

Tom

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:10:37 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

Maybe I'll give it a try. I have a couple of Zircons (at least one
more expensive than that) that are most unimpressive.

I've found that a pocket full of small rare earth magnets works rather
well, too. Mark a whole line on the wall with them.

On 7/17/2014 6:10 AM, Swingman wrote:
Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.


I've used one of those on my last two projects. It does work well although
it takes some getting used to after other more 'normal' narrow detectors.

On 7/17/2014 6:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:10:37 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

Maybe I'll give it a try. I have a couple of Zircons (at least one
more expensive than that) that are most unimpressive.

I've found that a pocket full of small rare earth magnets works rather
well, too. Mark a whole line on the wall with them.




He and I have both been using the rare earth magnets for a few years
now. The Franklin shows the edge of the studs. The magnets show where
the head of the nail or screw is at and those are not always in the
middle of a stud. Works well in a pinch, actually works quite well but
the Franklin it is immediately W/O calibration and gives better
information.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:48:36 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 7/17/2014 6:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:10:37 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

Maybe I'll give it a try. I have a couple of Zircons (at least one
more expensive than that) that are most unimpressive.

I've found that a pocket full of small rare earth magnets works rather
well, too. Mark a whole line on the wall with them.




He and I have both been using the rare earth magnets for a few years
now. The Franklin shows the edge of the studs. The magnets show where
the head of the nail or screw is at and those are not always in the
middle of a stud. Works well in a pinch, actually works quite well but
the Franklin it is immediately W/O calibration and gives better
information.

If you use a bunch and draw sort of a "best fit" line between the
magnets, you can get pretty close to the center of the stud. Any
errors will average out over the length of the stud. Get more magnets
and lay out the entire room. ;-)

I'll definitely look at the Franklin. Like I said, I've bought
several Zircons with much disappointment. I see the Franklin on
Amazon but not at HomeDespot. Did you find it locally?

On 7/17/2014 7:09 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 18:48:36 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 7/17/2014 6:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:10:37 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

Maybe I'll give it a try. I have a couple of Zircons (at least one
more expensive than that) that are most unimpressive.

I've found that a pocket full of small rare earth magnets works rather
well, too. Mark a whole line on the wall with them.




He and I have both been using the rare earth magnets for a few years
now. The Franklin shows the edge of the studs. The magnets show where
the head of the nail or screw is at and those are not always in the
middle of a stud. Works well in a pinch, actually works quite well but
the Franklin it is immediately W/O calibration and gives better
information.

If you use a bunch and draw sort of a "best fit" line between the
magnets, you can get pretty close to the center of the stud. Any
errors will average out over the length of the stud. Get more magnets
and lay out the entire room. ;-)

This is true and if you have lots of time on your hands it works pretty
well but bowed studs can really throw this off.



I'll definitely look at the Franklin. Like I said, I've bought
several Zircons with much disappointment. I see the Franklin on
Amazon but not at HomeDespot. Did you find it locally?

After my 3 or Zircon quit working I finally went to the Magnets. I'm
not sure exactly where he got the Franklin, probably Amazon.

On Thu, 17 Jul 2014 05:10:37 -0500, Swingman wrote:

Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

The Franklin I ordered from the Sears sale for ~$40 was delivered
today. I tried it out on some paneling and was impressed by the
display. I think it's a keeper ;-)

On 7/17/2014 3:10 AM, Swingman wrote:
Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my
expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability
to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,
accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual
guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on
the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get
it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.

Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the
center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with
drywall.

I have had one for some years now. I bought one of the 20 buck versions
and ended up giving it away. The Franklin is indeed impressive although
in installing a new stair handrail in my townhouse, I found that the
framing at the top of the stairs defies description. Studs moving every
which way. I probably don't want to know. Lots of strange framing
stuff in this building. Oh well, I did ultimately find a place to
attach the stringer.
mahalo,
jo4hn

Swingman wrote in
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Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded
my expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the
ability to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall

Sorry -- Can't use it or any other stud finder since they always goes off
when I hold it. I have to get my wife to do it.

(Even sorrier --- I couldn't resist)

On Thursday, July 17, 2014 5:10:37 AM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:
Having used it on two jobs since purchase a month ago, it has exceeded my

expectations on drywall covered walls. Initially pricey at $50, the ability

to locate and mark the center of studs on a cabinet run wall quickly,

accurately (even on most insulated, exterior walls) and without the usual

guesswork, it paid for itself in time and lack of the usual aggravation on

the first job. So far so good. At this point you'd have to steal it to get

it away from me, and I'd just buy it again.



Recommended, despite the price, if you often need to accurately mark the

center of frame studs in many framed wall applications, particularly with

drywall.



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Bought mine a couple of months ago. Dumped the other stud finders. Finding studs to do base molding. Talk about fast. Slide .. nail. Havent's missed one yet.

On 7/19/2014 9:47 PM, wrote:


Bought mine a couple of months ago. Dumped the other stud finders. Finding studs to do base molding. Talk about fast. Slide .. nail. Havent's missed one yet.

On that note, for grins and those who don't know already, an old trim
carpenter trick:

If you need a nail in baseboard/molding in an area of drywall without a
sill plate or stud, simply shoot two 2" finish nails through the
baseboard and drywall about 2" to 3" apart, and angled toward each other
at about 45 degrees+ ... put a little liquid nail/adhesive on the back
side, if you have to.

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On 7/20/2014 12:11 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/19/2014 9:47 PM, wrote:


Bought mine a couple of months ago. Dumped the other stud finders.
Finding studs to do base molding. Talk about fast. Slide .. nail.
Havent's missed one yet.

On that note, for grins and those who don't know already, an old trim
carpenter trick:

If you need a nail in baseboard/molding in an area of drywall without a
sill plate or stud, simply shoot two 2" finish nails through the
baseboard and drywall about 2" to 3" apart, and angled toward each other
at about 45 degrees+ ... put a little liquid nail/adhesive on the back
side, if you have to.



My new Franklin Stud Sensor should arrive tomorrow! ;~)

I have a closet shelving job that I am bidding on for a repeat customer.

On 7/21/2014 9:15 AM, Leon wrote:

My new Franklin Stud Sensor should arrive tomorrow! ;~)

I have a closet shelving job that I am bidding on for a repeat customer.

Dayum, Bubba ... already had one at the ready at the drop of a hat. ;

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On 7/21/2014 9:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/21/2014 9:15 AM, Leon wrote:

My new Franklin Stud Sensor should arrive tomorrow! ;~)

I have a closet shelving job that I am bidding on for a repeat customer.

Dayum, Bubba ... already had one at the ready at the drop of a hat. ;



Yes! and I figured that you would respond this way but as we both know
when you need the tool, you need the tool. $50 is not prohibitively
expensive and I need one often. It's not like it is a one time use
thang. ;~) Gave me a chance to join to try out Amazon Prime too! LOL

This tool is as much better than the stack of rare earth magnets as they
are to most any other stud finder.

On 7/21/2014 10:52 AM, Leon wrote:
On 7/21/2014 9:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 7/21/2014 9:15 AM, Leon wrote:

My new Franklin Stud Sensor should arrive tomorrow! ;~)

I have a closet shelving job that I am bidding on for a repeat customer.

Dayum, Bubba ... already had one at the ready at the drop of a hat. ;



Yes! and I figured that you would respond this way but as we both know
when you need the tool, you need the tool. $50 is not prohibitively
expensive and I need one often. It's not like it is a one time use
thang. ;~) Gave me a chance to join to try out Amazon Prime too! LOL

This tool is as much better than the stack of rare earth magnets as they
are to most any other stud finder.


OH! And as a drive by, the Festool work bench with the crosscut miter
gauge and track for the TS75 should make this much easier to do on site.

On Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:

On that note, for grins and those who don't know already, an old trim

carpenter trick:



If you need a nail in baseboard/molding in an area of drywall without a

sill plate or stud, simply shoot two 2" finish nails through the

baseboard and drywall about 2" to 3" apart, and angled toward each other

at about 45 degrees+ ... put a little liquid nail/adhesive on the back

side, if you have to.

An excellent tip. When the glue is used, the trim will go nowhere.

I started out working for a commercial contractor (not residential) and we had adhesives everywhere. Back in the 70s, few knew (including me) that there was such a thing as an engineered adhesive. So when I learned to trim out buildings, we had a lot of different kinds of trims (remember, no nail guns back then!) that we had to get in place to stay. Even with pilot holes for he nails, small pieces of oak trims and other hardwoods would split when you put a 6d in it. Also, there was that "tiny" piece that was a return to a wall on a chair rail, and end cap to a piece of crown, or a finishing piece inside a tight fitting corner.

I started using PL400 then, as that is what they bought for us to use. For a small piece of trim I thought would split, I came up with my own method of attachment. I would get those small pieces and drill a hole a bit bigger than the nail, large enough for the nail to just slide easily in and out of the hole. Then I would take the nail and put a small "hickey" (bend)in it about 1/4" below the head. A spot of PL400, them drive the nail up, and the hickey would hold the piece of trim in place until it dried.

With today's excellent adhesives, I glue a fair amount of trim. I like to put a spot of adhesive on small trim and just pin it with my pinner as well.. If I can get the angle away from the line of site, then I don't even fill those tiny holes left by the 23 gauge pin.

As a sidebar, I rarely look for studs when I am trimming a house's baseboard. I make sure I am not backing up to a kitchen or bath, and use a 2 1/2" 15ga nail in the base, nailed at about 45 degrees from about 2 1/2" up from the floor to hit the sill. If there is a gap of no more than 1/8", I leave it and caulk it with the caulk acting as adhesive. The bottom is captured by flooring of some kind or another, so I don't worry about that.

Gotta find those studs on 6" base, though. Next kitchen or trim that comes up will probably be buying that Franklin. Just finding the studs reliably in seconds instead of minutes make that a great tool to have.

Robert

On 7/21/2014 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:

OH! And as a drive by, the Festool work bench with the crosscut miter
gauge and track for the TS75 should make this much easier to do on site.

Tsk, tsk ... You suck, Bubba!

I want one (MFT and the accy's), but no place to put it, and would have
to sleep with it.

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On 7/21/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:11:01 PM UTC-5, Swingman wrote:

On that note, for grins and those who don't know already, an old trim

carpenter trick:



If you need a nail in baseboard/molding in an area of drywall without a

sill plate or stud, simply shoot two 2" finish nails through the

baseboard and drywall about 2" to 3" apart, and angled toward each other

at about 45 degrees+ ... put a little liquid nail/adhesive on the back

side, if you have to.

An excellent tip. When the glue is used, the trim will go nowhere.

I started out working for a commercial contractor (not residential) and we had adhesives everywhere. Back in the 70s, few knew (including me) that there was such a thing as an engineered adhesive. So when I learned to trim out buildings, we had a lot of different kinds of trims (remember, no nail guns back then!) that we had to get in place to stay. Even with pilot holes for he nails, small pieces of oak trims and other hardwoods would split when you put a 6d in it. Also, there was that "tiny" piece that was a return to a wall on a chair rail, and end cap to a piece of crown, or a finishing piece inside a tight fitting corner.

I started using PL400 then, as that is what they bought for us to use. For a small piece of trim I thought would split, I came up with my own method of attachment. I would get those small pieces and drill a hole a bit bigger than the nail, large enough for the nail to just slide easily in and out of the hole. Then I would take the nail and put a small "hickey" (bend)in it about 1/4" below the head. A spot of PL400, them drive the nail up, and the hickey would hold the piece of trim in place until it dried.

With today's excellent adhesives, I glue a fair amount of trim. I like to put a spot of adhesive on small trim and just pin it with my pinner as well. If I can get the angle away from the line of site, then I don't even fill those tiny holes left by the 23 gauge pin.

As a sidebar, I rarely look for studs when I am trimming a house's baseboard. I make sure I am not backing up to a kitchen or bath, and use a 2 1/2" 15ga nail in the base, nailed at about 45 degrees from about 2 1/2" up from the floor to hit the sill. If there is a gap of no more than 1/8", I leave it and caulk it with the caulk acting as adhesive. The bottom is captured by flooring of some kind or another, so I don't worry about that.

Gotta find those studs on 6" base, though. Next kitchen or trim that comes up will probably be buying that Franklin. Just finding the studs reliably in seconds instead of minutes make that a great tool to have.

I have one of those older Italian pinners (Omer) that gets used on every
job. Only shoots to 11/16, but I rarely need any more than that.

Using it mostly with the thick cyanoacrylate glue for returns and small
pieces that are prefinished or will split. Can hold it in place for a
few seconds with glue on one side, let go, pin it, and Bob's your uncle.

The Franklin has lived up to its billing for my use. I keep expecting to
be let down, but so far...

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On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:48:29 -0500, Swingman wrote:

On 7/21/2014 10:55 AM, Leon wrote:

OH! And as a drive by, the Festool work bench with the crosscut miter
gauge and track for the TS75 should make this much easier to do on site.

Tsk, tsk ... You suck, Bubba!

I want one (MFT and the accy's), but no place to put it, and would have
to sleep with it.

Well, you know where to borrow one. ;-)