http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-causal-factor

Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.

On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

This country is ****ing toast ...

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"Swingman" wrote:

How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.

The brain floats in the skull.

As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.

Lew

On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Swingman" wrote:

How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.

The brain floats in the skull.

As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.

"Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
good for man.

You will note that most of the headlines stipulate that "brand" of
helmets will not prevent concussions, "or "likely" never will" ... IOW,
the 'click through for revenue' reports are arguably mostly conjecture.

Technology will prevail.

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On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

This country is ****ing toast ...


Agreed.
Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.


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On Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:45:55 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...-causal-factor



Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.

Wrong newsgroup. Sorry. Do with the post what you will.

Maybe a couple of Lag Bolts through the helmet, to secure the brain?
john

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
eb.com...


"Swingman" wrote:

How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.

The brain floats in the skull.

As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.

Lew

On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

This country is ****ing toast ...


Agreed.
Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.




You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!

On 11/13/2013 7:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Swingman" wrote:

How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.

The brain floats in the skull.

As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.

"Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
good for man.


Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:08:01 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

Obviously, all you testosterone junkies feel that contact sports are a
necessary and needed part of growing up. While I can agree up to a
point, you're dismissing the fact that concussions can and do
regularly happen and can be a very debilitating injury.

Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
with your usually informative postings.

On 11/14/2013 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:

Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

LOL ... this actually happened to a guy who worked for me in the O&G
business. Jim in with a cut on his temple one morning and we found out,
through his brother, a co-worker who shared an apartment with him, that
Jim hit his head on the night stand while banging his girl friend, also
a co-worker.

Of course when we found out what happened, we made sure both of them
made it to our usual lunch gathering and presented them with a gift
wrapped football helmet.

She thought it was hilarious ... didn't even have a red face.

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On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, wrote:

Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
with your usually informative postings.

As expected ... luv you anyway, Bubba!

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On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:40:33 -0600, Swingman wrote:
As expected ... luv you anyway, Bubba!

You're not getting off that easy buddy. Make all the jokes you want,
but anyway you slice it, there's a problem somewhere with any sports
where concussions can and should be expected.

Please, I haven't advocated changing, canceling or doing anything to
those sports, just pointed out a notable problem.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:02:33 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

This country is ****ing toast ...


Agreed.
Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.




You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!

With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.

On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:08:01 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

Obviously, all you testosterone junkies feel that contact sports are a
necessary and needed part of growing up. While I can agree up to a
point, you're dismissing the fact that concussions can and do
regularly happen and can be a very debilitating injury.

Your flippant reply is completely ignoring that fact and not on par
with your usually informative postings.



Despite what many think, I am not an expert in all matters. ;~)

Actually I could care less about foot ball, socker, boxing, tennis, all
those contact sports but I don't believe that my lack of interest should
govern others interests.

On 11/14/2013 8:38 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2013 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:

Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

LOL ... this actually happened to a guy who worked for me in the O&G
business. Jim in with a cut on his temple one morning and we found out,
through his brother, a co-worker who shared an apartment with him, that
Jim hit his head on the night stand while banging his girl friend, also
a co-worker.

Of course when we found out what happened, we made sure both of them
made it to our usual lunch gathering and presented them with a gift
wrapped football helmet.

She thought it was hilarious ... didn't even have a red face.



If "he" was the one that got hurt, which one was on top? LOL

On 11/14/2013 11:53 AM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:02:33 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 11/13/2013 8:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/13/13, 7:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from
playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

This country is ****ing toast ...


Agreed.
Add to that the fact that they are probably giving everyone a trophy.




You two have taken the words right out of my mouth!

With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
see if they can, and they will be successful.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:28:31 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
see if they can, and they will be successful.

Well, you don't have to worry about France invading and cleaning out
your workshop. I'll invade it first.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:


My new favorite line is that when we get all this political
correctness ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to
fear an invasion from France, a country that does not invade. They
will do it just to see if they can, and they will be successful.


I'll get MY trophy then, for hiding in a closet!

Do I get a big one for being the biggest coward?

Puckdropper
--
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On 11/14/2013 12:25 PM, Leon wrote:

If "he" was the one that got hurt, which one was on top? LOL

Knowing D, she bucked him off.

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With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:23:45 -0800, scritch
wrote:

With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.


For the sake of argument I'll accept what you say as the truth, even
though I personally don't care how happy the rest of the world is.

We will see how happy they are when we are no longer capable of being
the worlds police because our government has wussified our military to
the point of being fearful of most others while the radical muslims
are free to terrorize these "happy" people at will.

On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:

Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.

All the more reason to return to those values that enabled us to bailout
"the rest of the industrialized world" when they couldn't do it themselves.

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In article ,
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
On 11/13/2013 7:36 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/13/2013 7:26 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"Swingman" wrote:

How about better helmet designs, for starters?
----------------------------------
Won't solve the problem of concussions.

The brain floats in the skull.

As a result, a helment protects the skull but not the brain.

"Experts" say that, but "experts" said the same about lobotomies being
good for man.


Jeez, might as well withdraw from sex too. That is a sport/exercise
that does not use a helmet at all and with all of the heads being banged
against the head board there are sure to be thousands of unreported
brain injuries.

In my younger days I was certainly temporarily left senseless in the
aftermath on more than one occasion...





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with the average voter. (Winston Churchill)

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One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
their lives...


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On 11/14/2013 03:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
their lives...


I did play HS and semi-pro football and not sure about concussions, but
on the bus home after a game, I did have to ask a team mate "who won the
game?". Other than that, the only injuries I sustained were a broken
neck, various broken fingers, cleat gouges clear to the shin bones and
dislocated shoulders. Ah, those were he days...


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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On 11/14/2013 12:58 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2013 12:25 PM, Leon wrote:

If "he" was the one that got hurt, which one was on top? LOL

Knowing D, she bucked him off.


Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ;~)

On 11/14/2013 12:44 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 12:28:31 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
My new favorite line is that when we get all this political correctness
ironed out and every one has his trophy we will need to fear an invasion
from France, a country that does not invade. They will do it just to
see if they can, and they will be successful.

Well, you don't have to worry about France invading and cleaning out
your workshop. I'll invade it first.



;~)

On 11/14/2013 4:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who post
on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some point in
their lives...




Never played tackle, played touch football bare footed "in the street".
Sometimes a touch is all it took to crash and burn on the gravel on
asphalt surface. In hind site that was probably worse than being
tackled on grass.

On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

On Wed, 13 Nov 2013 19:13:59 -0600, Swingman wrote:

On 11/13/2013 6:45 PM, Michael wrote:
Knowing what I know now, I would strongly discourage my kid from playing.

How totally asinine and illogical, to even attempt to equate the contact
in Pop Warner, with the contact in the NFL.

Coddle the little yuppie spawn and raise another generation of
incapable, progressive thinking girlymen.

They aren't even allowed to play in the dirt.

How about better helmet designs, for starters?

There is one school of thought that blames the (too good) helmets and
pads for the rise in injuries. They allow one to use one's body as a
weapon without risk to the aggressor. There are a lot of injuries in
rugby but few life-threatening ones.

This country is ****ing toast ...

Indeed it is.

Gordon Shumway wrote:


With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.


The "end result" is already visible in our lives. It exists in the current
crop of parents of the future generation of even greater idiots.

--

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Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 11/14/2013 03:36 PM, Larry W wrote:
One thing that is becoming quite apparent is that many people who
post on rec.woodworking must have played tackle football at some
point in their lives...


I did play HS and semi-pro football and not sure about concussions,
but on the bus home after a game, I did have to ask a team mate "who
won the game?". Other than that, the only injuries I sustained were
a broken neck, various broken fingers, cleat gouges clear to the shin
bones and dislocated shoulders. Ah, those were he days...

I wasn't asking teamates anything. I was asking cheerleaders - and I didn't
have to ask what to ask them...

--

-Mike-

scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point.
The more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene
pool becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of
idiots that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.


Refernces? In other words - Bull****.

--

-Mike-

Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:

Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier
in general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.

All the more reason to return to those values that enabled us to
bailout "the rest of the industrialized world" when they couldn't do
it themselves.

And - how much even happier they were when we did it. I guess their
happiness is what it's all about.

--

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Leon wrote:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and
the government knows best loons doing everything they can to
protect us (read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one
major point. The more they protect us from ourselves the more
diluted the gene pool becomes. The end result will be a new and
improved breed of idiots that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the
rest of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier
in general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans
don't have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

They'll be stepping up in-turn to cry "unfair" now that they don't have a
big brother to protect their "happiness".

--

-Mike-

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?

On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?



Obviously your head is still in the sand.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?



Obviously your head is still in the sand.


No, I just don't buy into the "American Exceptionalism" that you seem
to believe makes America superior to the rest of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

There's no doubt that the US had a key role in winning WWI and WWII.

Since then, the US record has been spotty, to say the least. Particularly
in the 21st century.

But, you are an avowed republican, so you'll ignore everything counter
to the 21st century republican ethos as some "liberal nonsense".

Talk about head in the sand.

On 11/15/2013 12:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/15/2013 9:20 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 11/14/2013 1:23 PM, scritch wrote:
With all the tree-huggers, the animal rights activists, the global
warming proponents, the "it's for the children" hand-wringers and the
government knows best loons doing everything they can to protect us
(read, idiots) from ourselves they have forgotten one major point. The
more they protect us from ourselves the more diluted the gene pool
becomes. The end result will be a new and improved breed of idiots
that will need even more protection.

Leon is totally right unless this wussification is stopped.


Regardless of how "wussified" you think Americans are becoming, the rest
of the industrialized world generally reports as being happier in
general, and they live longer and in better health than we do.




And that is because the Americans have been first in line in defending
the world. What will the rest of the world do when the Americans don't
have the balls any more to look out for the under dog?

Defending the world against what? Aliens? Typhoons?



Obviously your head is still in the sand.


No, I just don't buy into the "American Exceptionalism" that you seem
to believe makes America superior to the rest of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

There's no doubt that the US had a key role in winning WWI and WWII.

Since then, the US record has been spotty, to say the least. Particularly
in the 21st century.

But, you are an avowed republican, so you'll ignore everything counter
to the 21st century republican ethos as some "liberal nonsense".

Talk about head in the sand.


Snore