On 12/13/12 5:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
I have this set from Infinity (Chamfer 91-504)
http://www.infinitytools.com/Rail-St...products/1040/

I don't think I even chucked them up.

I would sell them for $70 shipped.



Do you happen to have the set-up block also?

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Looks like Harbor Freight bits would be a couple of steps up in
quality
compared to these bits.

Harbor Freight has one of "Warrier" brand. I'm not sure there is
a couple of steps of quality between them. %-)


I think it is great when you inquire (to a point...) about things
you are trying to learn about. It's a whole different matter when
you try to sound like you have some advise to offer, having done
none of the work at hand.


Perhaps I should have written: I'm not sure there is *room for* a
couple of steps of quality between them. Do have some sort of newbe
signature, or something, I can add to all of my posts?

Na - no newbie signature required. "Bill" looks kinda good all by itself.

Maybe you could post some pictures of your cabinetry work, while you're
assessing the degree of my newbieness?

Bill

On 12/13/12 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On 12/13/12 5:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
I have this set from Infinity (Chamfer 91-504)
http://www.infinitytools.com/Rail-St...products/1040/


I don't think I even chucked them up.

I would sell them for $70 shipped.



Do you happen to have the set-up block also?


Yes, included.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Looks like Harbor Freight bits would be a couple of steps up in
quality
compared to these bits.

Harbor Freight has one of "Warrier" brand. I'm not sure there
is a couple of steps of quality between them. %-)


I think it is great when you inquire (to a point...) about things
you are trying to learn about. It's a whole different matter when
you try to sound like you have some advise to offer, having done
none of the work at hand.


Perhaps I should have written: I'm not sure there is *room for* a
couple of steps of quality between them. Do have some sort of
newbe signature, or something, I can add to all of my posts?

Na - no newbie signature required. "Bill" looks kinda good all by
itself.

Maybe you could post some pictures of your cabinetry work, while
you're assessing the degree of my newbieness?


Very fair, but my cabinetry is all many years old. I built all of my
kitchen cupboards, my bathroom vanity (only one bathroom has a vanity - the
others have pedestal sinks), and the odd bookcase and the likes around the
house. Time has taken some toll on them and they are all still solid, but
show the wear of years. Nothing that I would really want to post pictures
of these days. Still - a very fair question.

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Looks like Harbor Freight bits would be a couple of steps up in
quality
compared to these bits.

Harbor Freight has one of "Warrier" brand. I'm not sure there
is a couple of steps of quality between them. %-)


I think it is great when you inquire (to a point...) about things
you are trying to learn about. It's a whole different matter when
you try to sound like you have some advise to offer, having done
none of the work at hand.


Perhaps I should have written: I'm not sure there is *room for* a
couple of steps of quality between them. Do have some sort of
newbe signature, or something, I can add to all of my posts?

Na - no newbie signature required. "Bill" looks kinda good all by
itself.

Maybe you could post some pictures of your cabinetry work, while
you're assessing the degree of my newbieness?


Very fair, but my cabinetry is all many years old. I built all of my
kitchen cupboards, my bathroom vanity (only one bathroom has a vanity - the
others have pedestal sinks), and the odd bookcase and the likes around the
house. Time has taken some toll on them and they are all still solid, but
show the wear of years. Nothing that I would really want to post pictures
of these days.

Sounds like you've done your share! The vanity in my bath could be
redone too.


Still - a very fair question.

Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:


Very fair, but my cabinetry is all many years old. I built all of my
kitchen cupboards, my bathroom vanity (only one bathroom has a
vanity - the others have pedestal sinks), and the odd bookcase and
the likes around the house. Time has taken some toll on them and
they are all still solid, but show the wear of years. Nothing that
I would really want to post pictures of these days.

Sounds like you've done your share! The vanity in my bath could be
redone too.


To be fair, I did much more woodworking years ago than I do now. So much so
that at times I had thought about just giving my bigger woodworking tools to
my son. I did give him my 6" jointer, but that was because I never used it
once after getting it and tuning it up. I decided to keep the table saw and
the compound miter, etc. just in case I ever got back into it all more. I'm
glad I did because I am indeed getting interested in some bigger projects
again. Keep saying I'm going to build all of the new cupboards for a major
kitchen remodel which we would like to undertake in the next year or two.
My wife on the other hand keeps saying something about how long projects
take around our house, and that she'd want cupboards up before the next
plans to remodel start getting discussed...

Every time Karl or Leon post pictures of some cabinetry they have been
working on, I start thinking again. My work does not compare to theirs -
those two guys are just very, very good at what they do, but my work is
quite acceptable. If I ever start a project like that, I would certainly
take pictures and post them as I went.

Our house is full of other stuff that I've done, like building out a sewing
room in our basement for my wife, which has floor to ceiling adjustable
shelving built-in under the bearing beam, and all trimmed out in wood. I
don't really consider those to be woodworking projects, even though that
wall of shelving is all wood. There were some tricky aspects to
accomplishing it in a way I was happy with - like trimming around existing
plumbing for baseboard heat runs, etc. The moulding is all stuff I made
from 1x stock, and is really fairly simple stuff, but again - that's quite
different from building a vanity or a cupboard. I would not dare to take a
picture of that room now...

--

-Mike-

On 12/13/2012 11:21 AM, Jack wrote:
On 12/12/2012 7:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On 12/12/12 4:18 PM, dpb wrote:

2 - What's the trick to ensure a perfectly square cope on the end
grain of the rails?

2) As said before, use stock wide enough for several rails and cut them
in one pass, then rip to width. Crosscut them square w/ the sled on the
TS first, then run them along the fence on the shaper/router table.

Well, I gotta admit that not one site I've visited, and I just went
through about 6, all from different sources, offers that advice. Every
thing I've read says to use a sled or a push block to keep the rails
square with the fence.

He didn't say not to use a push block or a miter gauge/sled. He said use
wide stock, cut it square to begin with, and rip the wide stock to size
after coping. The push block is to cut down on end chipping, but it's
not really needed if ripping to size after coping.

....

Indeed...just a few comments/amplification on my style/preferences...

I rarely _do_ use either assuming I have wide-enough stock that I have
sufficient length against the fence to have a stable bearing surface
throughout the operation. By doing it that way having squared the ends
first one isn't:

a) fighting two separate reference planes (the fence and a sled/gauge
for dominance in alignment, and

b) taking the time to ensure that if a) the two are square to each other
and the material is correctly positioned, etc., ...

It's all in promoting efficiency by dispensing w/ what isn't needed and
simplifying the operations to the minimum.

I _may_ use a small block if the stock material is particularly prone to
severe splitting, but in general it isn't really needed as the next
operation will clean up the edge automagically anyway. And, it's only
an issue on the first pass anyway as once the end is coped they're all
done. So, unless your stock is just precisely wide enough that you lose
a whole piece, you can just make a cleanup pass over the jointer anyway
if desired/needed...that's quicker than clamping a piece to the stock or
having to handle the two pieces together (or at least it's the way I've
become accustomed to working... )

W/ a piece as wide as the 8" stock I mentioned previously, I am
perfectly comfortable using it freehand against the fence in either
direction--coping the ends or sticking the edges. Then again, I've been
running a shaper for 40-some years now, and there _is_ a certain
learning of technique w/ time...

The first freehand shaping against a pattern was, at that time, a
pucker-factor experience, indeed, but now it is routine so familiarity
does help and having had some instruction from both formal classroom
shop as well as some of the older guys w/ the industrial experience
along the way certainly didn't hurt.

--

On Dec 13, 11:47*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
On 12/13/12 10:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On 12/13/12 5:48 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
I have this set from Infinity (Chamfer 91-504)
http://www.infinitytools.com/Rail-St...-Cabinet-Doors....

I don't think I even chucked them up.

I would sell them for $70 shipped.

Do you happen to have the set-up block also?

Yes, included.

--

* -MIKE-

* "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
* * *--Elvin Jones *(1927-2004)
* --
*http://mikedrums.com
*
* ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

I'll need to talk to SWMBO to see if the chamfer profile is OK with
her. If so, I'll be in touch.

Thanks!

Mike Marlow wrote:
Bill wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:


Very fair, but my cabinetry is all many years old. I built all of my
kitchen cupboards, my bathroom vanity (only one bathroom has a
vanity - the others have pedestal sinks), and the odd bookcase and
the likes around the house. Time has taken some toll on them and
they are all still solid, but show the wear of years. Nothing that
I would really want to post pictures of these days.

Sounds like you've done your share! The vanity in my bath could be
redone too.


To be fair, I did much more woodworking years ago than I do now. So much so
that at times I had thought about just giving my bigger woodworking tools to
my son. I did give him my 6" jointer, but that was because I never used it
once after getting it and tuning it up. I decided to keep the table saw and
the compound miter, etc. just in case I ever got back into it all more. I'm
glad I did because I am indeed getting interested in some bigger projects
again. Keep saying I'm going to build all of the new cupboards for a major
kitchen remodel which we would like to undertake in the next year or two.
My wife on the other hand keeps saying something about how long projects
take around our house, and that she'd want cupboards up before the next
plans to remodel start getting discussed...

Every time Karl or Leon post pictures of some cabinetry they have been
working on, I start thinking again. My work does not compare to theirs -
those two guys are just very, very good at what they do, but my work is
quite acceptable. If I ever start a project like that, I would certainly
take pictures and post them as I went.

Our house is full of other stuff that I've done, like building out a sewing
room in our basement for my wife, which has floor to ceiling adjustable
shelving built-in under the bearing beam, and all trimmed out in wood. I
don't really consider those to be woodworking projects, even though that
wall of shelving is all wood. There were some tricky aspects to
accomplishing it in a way I was happy with - like trimming around existing
plumbing for baseboard heat runs, etc. The moulding is all stuff I made
from 1x stock, and is really fairly simple stuff, but again - that's quite
different from building a vanity or a cupboard. I would not dare to take a
picture of that room now...


Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy getting a glimpse of "the people
behind the posts".

Cheers,
Bill

On 12/13/2012 12:02 PM, dpb wrote:
....

I've tried in the past to find the aforementioned Delta publication on
the web but have been unsuccessful and Delta doesn't have it any longer
as a supported part number (even before the abysmal downturn since the
P-C debacle wherein afaict they have no support whatsoever for older
equipment online ). Delta is now off my approved vendor list
entirely, sadly.

The copy I have on hand isn't very good any longer; I'll try to scan it
and see if it is even readable. If so, I'll try to post it to the OWWM
publications section...it's valuable and I've not seen anything on the
web that really addresses these kinds of small production issues at all.
....

Unfortunately, that experiment failed miserably...

I _think_ there must surely be an original of it somewhere around
here--when Dad redid the old farm house here I came back out one summer
(was in VA then) and brought the small 1/2" shaper and did the kitchen
cabinets for him. He like that little shaper so well that he bought one
after I went back home and did the rest of the bathroom vanities, a
large builtin in the living room, etc, etc, etc, ... I'm certain that
was still being distributed at that time and he _never_ threw anything
away so maybe if I go through the last 50=yr or the 90+ yr of
accumulated stuff I'll come across the literature from that one--my
original got "borrowed" and I only have this very poor copy left...

--

On Dec 16, 10:41*am, dpb wrote:
On 12/13/2012 12:02 PM, dpb wrote:
...

I've tried in the past to find the aforementioned Delta publication on
the web but have been unsuccessful and Delta doesn't have it any longer
as a supported part number (even before the abysmal downturn since the
P-C debacle wherein afaict they have no support whatsoever for older
equipment online ). Delta is now off my approved vendor list
entirely, sadly.

The copy I have on hand isn't very good any longer; I'll try to scan it
and see if it is even readable. If so, I'll try to post it to the OWWM
publications section...it's valuable and I've not seen anything on the
web that really addresses these kinds of small production issues at all..

...

Unfortunately, that experiment failed miserably...

I _think_ there must surely be an original of it somewhere around
here--when Dad redid the old farm house here I came back out one summer
(was in VA then) and brought the small 1/2" shaper and did the kitchen
cabinets for him. *He like that little shaper so well that he bought one
after I went back home and did the rest of the bathroom vanities, a
large builtin in the living room, etc, etc, etc, ... *I'm certain that
was still being distributed at that time and he _never_ threw anything
away so maybe if I go through the last 50=yr or the 90+ yr of
accumulated stuff I'll come across the literature from that one--my
original got "borrowed" and I only have this very poor copy left...

--

Thanks for trying!

This Google Book briefly mentions your method on page 39 right under
the picture of the casement window.

http://books.google.com/books?id=_-F...page&q&f=false

If that screwy link doesn't work, go here and click on the first book,
Windows & Skylights: The Best of Fine Homebuilding

http://books.google.com/books?id=_-F9Ni7rg04C

On 12/16/2012 10:41 AM, dpb wrote:

I've tried in the past to find the aforementioned Delta publication on
the web but have been unsuccessful and Delta doesn't have it any longer
as a supported part number

The copy I have on hand isn't very good any longer; I'll try to scan it
and see if it is even readable. If so, I'll try to post it to the OWWM
publications section...it's valuable and I've not seen anything on the
web that really addresses these kinds of small production issues at all.
...

Unfortunately, that experiment failed miserably...

I _think_ there must surely be an original of it somewhere around
here--when Dad redid the old farm house here I came back out one summer
(was in VA then) and brought the small 1/2" shaper and did the kitchen
cabinets for him.

While I'm a bit older than my tools, not much older, and I have all the
publications that came with the tools new, including, well, here's a pic
of them:

http://jbstein.com/Flick/P1050779.jpg

They are in pretty good shape, really, really good shape considering
they've been living with the tools for going on 60 years.

If you need a page or so, I can scan it or take a picture, but don't
think I want to scan the entire book.

I don't make stuff with the same enthusiasm as I did in the past, but me
and my tools are very old friends, and we fit together like old shoes,
very comfortable together. I think you might know what I mean.

These books make me think of better times, much better times. Note the
cost of one of them is printed on it at 25 cents...

He like that little shaper so well that he bought one
after I went back home and did the rest of the bathroom vanities, a
large builtin in the living room, etc, etc, etc, ...I'm certain that
was still being distributed at that time and he _never_ threw anything
away so maybe if I go through the last 50=yr or the 90+ yr of
accumulated stuff I'll come across the literature from that one--my
original got "borrowed" and I only have this very poor copy left...


--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 12/18/2012 4:00 PM, Jack wrote:
....

While I'm a bit older than my tools, not much older, and I have all the
publications that came with the tools new, including, well, here's a pic
of them:

http://jbstein.com/Flick/P1050779.jpg

They are in pretty good shape, really, really good shape considering
they've been living with the tools for going on 60 years.
....

Those are even older than mine...they date from the early to mid-70s as
beginning of the collection.

I'm not sure what's in the Shaper book; quite possibly the section I'm
describing was reprinted from it; I don't know.

The document I have is only about four double-side pages printed on
glossy stock and covers specifically windows/doors.

I did do a search thru Dad's drawer of stuff last night and did not find
another original or even copy of it. I may make one more attempt on the
copy I do have if elder son who does IT support as self-employed comes
thru w/ the other scanner we've talked of...that would ease the physical
pain significantly and also has better optics and controls than the
cheapie I have integral w/ the printer...

--