Now that the storm has hit, I have time to build, but not enough power
from my generator.

its a 4300 watt run 6200 max peak


I turned on the tablesaw and it did not have enough power to spin all
the way up.

The band saw did. Surprising since my tablesaw is only 1.5 hp

I guess with lights and electronics in idle mode.. And heat... I don't
have enough left to power all my shop stuff. Plus this is a ranch and a
long electrical run... really long.

I am freaking grumpy...
Damn I am biting my wife's head off.. like a PMS bitch...

why can't the time and money (and now power) ever come together???

I'll see what I can do with the bandsaw and hand stuff. Pretty sure I
can still build... but hand planing every edge.. I don't think my
jointer will power up...... nah... not a chance.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:26:23 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

Now that the storm has hit, I have time to build, but not enough power
from my generator.

its a 4300 watt run 6200 max peak


I turned on the tablesaw and it did not have enough power to spin all
the way up.

The band saw did. Surprising since my tablesaw is only 1.5 hp

I guess with lights and electronics in idle mode.. And heat... I don't
have enough left to power all my shop stuff. Plus this is a ranch and a
long electrical run... really long.

I am freaking grumpy...
Damn I am biting my wife's head off.. like a PMS bitch...

why can't the time and money (and now power) ever come together???

I'll see what I can do with the bandsaw and hand stuff. Pretty sure I
can still build... but hand planing every edge.. I don't think my
jointer will power up...... nah... not a chance.

I feel for you. About 2008 we had a big windstorm in Western Wa. and
where I am we went almost 8 days without power. Take coffee donuts
and BBQ to the workers, appreciation helps. At the time I had a 4K
continuous duty gen set. Good for the normal power outage but not
for long term. The biggest problem was it only ran about 3 hours
before you had to fuel it, and I needed to keep the hot tub from
freezing. I had to rewire the hot water tank so only one element
worked. I upgraded to a 12KW unit that runs 7-8 hours per fill up and
has an auto idle, also its much quieter too. It will run a unisaw, or
the hot tub. I also learned it helps to have about 20 gallons of fuel
on hand. Hope you get your power back soon.

Mike M

Mike M

What does the auto idle do?
I am using power constantly for lights or computer. So when idling will
it produce enough power?

I am thinking about a big unit. According to some of the guys here on
the rec there's no global warming. But I live right by the Delaware
River. we had 3 100 year floods in under 2 years. This storm on top of
Irene and the Halloween snowstorm last year has made me think I
underpowered my generator severely. In the last 12 years the frequency
of use is rising drastically. I want water and hot water... I'm thinking
12k might just be the ticket, or a little more to run some other things.
12k would just get me water and hot water.. both are 30amp 220... so
maybe a 18k unit working off propane...




On 11/3/2012 7:10 PM, Mike M wrote:
On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 18:26:23 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

Now that the storm has hit, I have time to build, but not enough power
from my generator.

its a 4300 watt run 6200 max peak


I turned on the tablesaw and it did not have enough power to spin all
the way up.

The band saw did. Surprising since my tablesaw is only 1.5 hp

I guess with lights and electronics in idle mode.. And heat... I don't
have enough left to power all my shop stuff. Plus this is a ranch and a
long electrical run... really long.

I am freaking grumpy...
Damn I am biting my wife's head off.. like a PMS bitch...

why can't the time and money (and now power) ever come together???

I'll see what I can do with the bandsaw and hand stuff. Pretty sure I
can still build... but hand planing every edge.. I don't think my
jointer will power up...... nah... not a chance.

I feel for you. About 2008 we had a big windstorm in Western Wa. and
where I am we went almost 8 days without power. Take coffee donuts
and BBQ to the workers, appreciation helps. At the time I had a 4K
continuous duty gen set. Good for the normal power outage but not
for long term. The biggest problem was it only ran about 3 hours
before you had to fuel it, and I needed to keep the hot tub from
freezing. I had to rewire the hot water tank so only one element
worked. I upgraded to a 12KW unit that runs 7-8 hours per fill up and
has an auto idle, also its much quieter too. It will run a unisaw, or
the hot tub. I also learned it helps to have about 20 gallons of fuel
on hand. Hope you get your power back soon.

Mike M

Mike M

A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew

On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:19:51 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew


Or get a honda or Generac or similar unit with an oil filter and you
can pretty well double the change interval. 40 hours is equivalent to
a car running about 2400 miles at 60MPH .

I have a generac... but it does not have an Oil filter.... it's only 10hp...

Does non-deg save the engine??? I use non-detergent in my hydraulic
drive on my Simplicity tractor because it requires it... I always
thought the detergent kept the varnishing down... Which caused buildup
and gunk...




On 11/3/2012 10:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:19:51 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew


Or get a honda or Generac or similar unit with an oil filter and you
can pretty well double the change interval. 40 hours is equivalent to
a car running about 2400 miles at 60MPH .

"tiredofspam" wrote:

I have a generac... but it does not have an Oil filter.... it's only
10hp...

Does non-deg save the engine??? I use non-detergent in my hydraulic
drive on my Simplicity tractor because it requires it... I always
thought the detergent kept the varnishing down... Which caused
buildup and gunk...
-------------------------------------------------------
I ask the same question about detergent v. non-detergent.

As I remember, if you change the oil at 40 hours, you eliminate
problems before they have a chance to develop.

I was using a standard 10 HP contractor's unit, 6-8 hours/day, 6
days/week.

I burned the first one in less than a year.

I sold the next one when finished which was about 2 years.

I didn't bother to analyze the situation, was simply was too busy
buliding a boat.

Lew

Have you thought about trying carving/whittling? My step-father was a
"traveling salesman". He once commented that his choices on the road
were having affairs (he was quite handsome and charismatic when
younger), drink his liver into submission, or do woodworking (carving/
whittling type stuff). He made quite a collection of things during
his days on the road. My oldest brother finds himself in a similar
situation as a truck driver. He would rather play poker on the
computer, though, and has nothing to show for it...

On Nov 3, 5:26*pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Now that the storm has hit, I have time to build, but not enough power
from my generator.

why can't the time and money (and now power) ever come together???

In article om,
Lew Hodgett wrote:
A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew




May apply to some make/models such as those using B&S flathead engines
but Honda for instance specified 10W30 API service SJ oil. Best to
check manufacturer's specs, not use a blanket recommendation.


--
Often wrong, never in doubt.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

Actually, detergent keeps trash in the oil so the filter can grab it.
Those systems without a filter and rely on the oil tank to take it -
non-detergent.

On lathes and tools we want non-detergent. I don't want metal chips
to keep hitting something. I want it to settle to the lower level.

Martin

On 11/3/2012 9:09 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
I have a generac... but it does not have an Oil filter.... it's only
10hp...

Does non-deg save the engine??? I use non-detergent in my hydraulic
drive on my Simplicity tractor because it requires it... I always
thought the detergent kept the varnishing down... Which caused buildup
and gunk...




On 11/3/2012 10:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:19:51 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew


Or get a honda or Generac or similar unit with an oil filter and you
can pretty well double the change interval. 40 hours is equivalent to
a car running about 2400 miles at 60MPH .

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 22:12:50 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote:

Actually, detergent keeps trash in the oil so the filter can grab it.
Those systems without a filter and rely on the oil tank to take it -
non-detergent.

On lathes and tools we want non-detergent. I don't want metal chips
to keep hitting something. I want it to settle to the lower level.

Martin

On 11/3/2012 9:09 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
I have a generac... but it does not have an Oil filter.... it's only
10hp...
I had a 5.5HP Generac engine and it had a filter. The 8000 Va Generac
generators currently on sale at TSC have a filter. You must have the
cheapest consumer grade generac made.

Does non-deg save the engine??? I use non-detergent in my hydraulic
drive on my Simplicity tractor because it requires it... I always
thought the detergent kept the varnishing down... Which caused buildup
and gunk...




On 11/3/2012 10:04 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:19:51 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.

Lew


Or get a honda or Generac or similar unit with an oil filter and you
can pretty well double the change interval. 40 hours is equivalent to
a car running about 2400 miles at 60MPH .

My Generator was bought in 1999 when I moved in to this house.
Most generators had no filters at that point.

So having the cheapest consumer generator made ??? I don't think so.
I just dug out my manual, turns out I was wrong about the ratings. Its
5000 run 6250 peak. Most generators today have boots over their
outlets.. Many now have electric start... many you have to buy wheel
kits... Mine does not, it's an all weather generator, It's a basic
generator... Contractor grade at the time ... no frills, just runs.
Never had a problem starting it aside from the heavy pull required.
If I weren't trying to back feed and run over 100 feet of house wiring,
I'm sure my tablesaw would run fine.

I'm glad for your little 5.5 hp engine...


On 11/3/2012 11:33 PM, wrote:
s only
10hp...
I had a 5.5HP Generac engine and it had a filter. The 8000 Va Generac
generators currently on sale at TSC have a filter. You must have the
cheapest consumer grade generac made.

On Sat, 03 Nov 2012 20:30:47 -0400, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
wrote:

What does the auto idle do?
I am using power constantly for lights or computer. So when idling will
it produce enough power?

I am thinking about a big unit. According to some of the guys here on
the rec there's no global warming. But I live right by the Delaware
River. we had 3 100 year floods in under 2 years. This storm on top of
Irene and the Halloween snowstorm last year has made me think I
underpowered my generator severely. In the last 12 years the frequency
of use is rising drastically. I want water and hot water... I'm thinking
12k might just be the ticket, or a little more to run some other things.
12k would just get me water and hot water.. both are 30amp 220... so
maybe a 18k unit working off propane...



Auto Idle is good if your just running loads that cycle. One 25 watt
bulb will kick it up. The propane is good, when we had the long
outage I always had to haul fuel from out of the area. I was still
working then and ran a bucket truck all over w. wa. so it wasn't
difficult to get fuel.

Mike M

tiredofspam wrote:
What does the auto idle do?
I am using power constantly for lights or computer. So when idling
will it produce enough power?

I am thinking about a big unit. According to some of the guys here on
the rec there's no global warming. But I live right by the Delaware
River. we had 3 100 year floods in under 2 years. This storm on top of
Irene and the Halloween snowstorm last year has made me think I
underpowered my generator severely. In the last 12 years the frequency
of use is rising drastically. I want water and hot water... I'm
thinking 12k might just be the ticket, or a little more to run some
other things. 12k would just get me water and hot water.. both are
30amp 220... so maybe a 18k unit working off propane...


For hot water, converting the water heater to natural gas (or propane) would
be cheaper.

Lew Hodgett wrote:
A little tip for users of eng-gen sets.

Change the oil every 40 hours of operation.

Use SAE-30, non-detergent.

The above from the owner of a small engine service center.

Don't do the above, you wear out the connecting rod bearing(s).

I learned this the hard way.
-----------------------------------------------------
"Larry W" wrote:

May apply to some make/models such as those using B&S flathead
engines
but Honda for instance specified 10W30 API service SJ oil. Best to
check manufacturer's specs, not use a blanket recommendation.
------------------------------------------------------
What does Honda say about oil change frequency which is what the owner
of a small engine service center was concerned about?

10W30 provides low viscosity in cold climes during winter months.

Wonder if that was reason for suggesting it?

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:

What does Honda say about oil change frequency which is what the owner
of a small engine service center was concerned about?

10W30 provides low viscosity in cold climes during winter months.

Wonder if that was reason for suggesting it?


I use Mobil 1 in mine - wonder what his thoughts are on that.

--

-Mike-

Lew Hodgett wrote:

What does Honda say about oil change frequency which is what the
owner
of a small engine service center was concerned about?

10W30 provides low viscosity in cold climes during winter months

Wonder if that was reason for suggesting it?
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

I use Mobil 1 in mine - wonder what his thoughts are on that.

------------------------------------------------------
Totally clueless.

Lew

Lew Hodgett wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:

What does Honda say about oil change frequency which is what the
owner
of a small engine service center was concerned about?

10W30 provides low viscosity in cold climes during winter months

Wonder if that was reason for suggesting it?
------------------------------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:

I use Mobil 1 in mine - wonder what his thoughts are on that.

------------------------------------------------------
Totally clueless.


Now why would you say that?

--

-Mike-

On 11/4/2012 8:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Lew Hodgett wrote:

What does Honda say about oil change frequency which is what the owner
of a small engine service center was concerned about?

10W30 provides low viscosity in cold climes during winter months.

Wonder if that was reason for suggesting it?


I use Mobil 1 in mine - wonder what his thoughts are on that.



Probably way over kill, the oil should be changed periodically to remove
contaminates that the filter may not remove. Take condensation for
instance. In a humid climate the heat of the engine and the cooling
causes condensation inside the engine.

Now you might run your Mobil 1 through a reverse osmosis filter system
to remove impurities and reuse the oil. ;~)