"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:00:44 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 9/20/2012 6:55 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
"CW" wrote:

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So, you want the next generation to listen to the grumpy old fartbefore
he dies.----------------------------------------------Especially after
having just returned from a trip to bull ****mountain.Lew


That is in California, right?

No, that's Magic Mountain. I've actually BEEN there! Unless Lew was
talking about his home.


P.S: When's CW going to get a -usable- Usenet program,
================================================== ==================================
Thank Lew for the format cluster.

"Leon" wrote in message
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On 9/20/2012 1:16 PM, CW wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 9/20/2012 10:45 AM, CW wrote:
So the best thing to do is become a grumpy old fart that bitches "it
isn't like the old days" and just waits to die. Got ya.

Nope, you just think you do ...

The reality, and one thing political leaders can count on, is that those
who have lost a freedom previously granted to their forefathers, but
lost to their generation before they were born, too young to know, or
through ignorance, have little chance to ever fight successfully to
regain it.
================================================== ============================

So, you want the next generation to listen to the grumpy old fart before
he dies.


So uh I think it goes something like this, if you don't learn from those
that experienced it/study history, it is destined to repeat it self.
================================================== ===================================
Yes, everyone wants to listen to some grouchy old **** telling them how the
country has gone to **** and they will never have as good a life as he had.

"CW" wrote:
"Leon" wrote in message ...

On 9/20/2012 1:16 PM, CW wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 9/20/2012 10:45 AM, CW wrote:
So the best thing to do is become a grumpy old fart that bitches "it
isn't like the old days" and just waits to die. Got ya.

Nope, you just think you do ...

The reality, and one thing political leaders can count on, is that those
who have lost a freedom previously granted to their forefathers, but
lost to their generation before they were born, too young to know, or
through ignorance, have little chance to ever fight successfully to
regain it.
================================================== ============================

So, you want the next generation to listen to the grumpy old fart before
he dies.


So uh I think it goes something like this, if you don't learn from those
that experienced it/study history, it is destined to repeat it self.
================================================== ===================================
Yes, everyone wants to listen to some grouchy old **** telling them how
the country has gone to **** and they will never have as good a life as he had.

Obviously have your ear by the fact you keep replying. And while you're
listening, remember the losers rail at the messenger while their freedoms
erode from their apathy and ignorance.

--
www.ewoodshop.com

CW wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 9/20/2012 1:16 PM, CW wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message
...

On 9/20/2012 10:45 AM, CW wrote:
So the best thing to do is become a grumpy old fart that bitches "it
isn't like the old days" and just waits to die. Got ya.

Nope, you just think you do ...

The reality, and one thing political leaders can count on, is that
those who have lost a freedom previously granted to their
forefathers, but lost to their generation before they were born, too
young to know, or through ignorance, have little chance to ever
fight successfully to regain it.
================================================== ============================

So, you want the next generation to listen to the grumpy old fart
before he dies.

Age is small part of it, simply because it equates with an increase in
experience and perspective ... the preponderance is all to do with
having sufficient intelligence and education to recognize, and remark
upon, what the ignorant miss for lack of both.
================================================== ==================================
So, you want the next generation to listen to the grumpy old fart
before he dies.

If you did, you might learn something.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

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Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out...
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On 9/20/2012 1:04 AM, CW wrote:
Who will Win?


Win what?

--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email

Steve Barker wrote in news:FM-
:

On 9/20/2012 1:04 AM, CW wrote:
Who will Win?


Win what?


It's a race between Me, Myself, and I. I'm pulling for Me, myself. I has
a lot of supporters, and they usually vote positively. Soon we'll know if
the I's have it.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or know for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank balance, or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

"Jack" wrote in message ...

On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your particular
persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or know
for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank balance,
or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.
================================================== ==============================
+1

Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large
even if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red"
enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your
particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in
action, or just act like you're going to dance at the Washington
monument, or know for sure whether the food you buy is non
adulterated/GMO, or belong to a co-op that sells raw goat milk to
the owners without an up-close and personal SWAT visit, or get
raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood for guitar
fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed
for sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill
educated, surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the
language, no matter where they came from, or got .95 cents interest
on a $6000 bank balance, or somehow think you actually own your
home, until you forget to pay a property tax, or don't know you
can't even hold your elected representatives to task for those
property tax appraisals, ad ****ing infinitum?? The reality, Bubba, is
you've already lost regardless of who won the
last twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you
are just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how
you vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are
hoping those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and
ignorant, as it just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.

No, we got stuck with it because masses of voters wanted "gimmees" as long
as they came from the pockets of someone else.

Offer it and they will take it.

--

dadiOH
____________________________

Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out...
http://www.floridaloghouse.net

On 9/21/2012 10:16 AM, Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your
particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in
action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or
know for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a
co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank
balance, or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.


See what I mean ... some are so politically dense that they don't even
recognize when they're preaching to the choir.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

On 9/21/2012 10:16 AM, Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your
particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in
action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or
know for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a
co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank
balance, or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.


If you think your vote matters you are certainly part of the problem.
Change will come with a third or fourth party or after the revolution.

CW wrote the following on 9/20/2012 2:04 AM (ET):
Who will Win?


Either way, It won't be me.

--
Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeros after @

dadiOH wrote:


No, we got stuck with it because masses of voters wanted "gimmees" as
long as they came from the pockets of someone else.


I disagree. I believe we got stuck with all that crap because people who
should have known better fell prey to the notion that if they embraced all
of these new ways of thinking, that they were "enlightened". Anything to be
different from the ways that our predecessors were. Anything different was
enlightened and anyone who held fast to old thinking was antediluvian. Hell
you can see that right here in this group. Those people fell into line with
the new thinking because they feared being labled as old fashioned and
unenlightened. So - they did stupid things like vote for "hope" when there
was nothing more to that platform than the word itself. And "change". They
did not even have a hope they could articulate, which could be accomplished
by a government, nor did they even have a definition for change and why that
change would be better. Stupid people is what got us here.

--

-Mike-

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 15:08:08 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
wrote:

dadiOH wrote:


No, we got stuck with it because masses of voters wanted "gimmees" as
long as they came from the pockets of someone else.


I disagree. I believe we got stuck with all that crap because people who
should have known better fell prey to the notion that if they embraced all
of these new ways of thinking, that they were "enlightened". Anything to be
different from the ways that our predecessors were. Anything different was
enlightened and anyone who held fast to old thinking was antediluvian. Hell
you can see that right here in this group. Those people fell into line with
the new thinking because they feared being labled as old fashioned and
unenlightened. So - they did stupid things like vote for "hope" when there
was nothing more to that platform than the word itself. And "change". They
did not even have a hope they could articulate, which could be accomplished
by a government, nor did they even have a definition for change and why that
change would be better. Stupid people is what got us here.

+1

And few have wised up.

On 9/21/2012 12:52 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:16 AM, Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large
even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your
particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in
action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or
know for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a
co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood
for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank
balance, or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the
last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.


See what I mean ... some are so politically dense that they don't even
recognize when they're preaching to the choir.

I responded to what you said, not what your heart strings may have
wished you sang.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 9/21/2012 2:31 PM, Leon wrote:

If you think your vote matters you are certainly part of the problem.

Wow!

Change will come with a third or fourth party or after the revolution.

There are already more than two parties. Fortunately none of them
matter much. When they do, they serve only to insure the minority view
prevails. How that would make your vote matter would be quite
enlightening.

--
Jack
Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life.
http://jbstein.com

On 9/22/2012 9:00 AM, Jack wrote:
On 9/21/2012 12:52 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/21/2012 10:16 AM, Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 11:05 AM, Swingman wrote:
Jack wrote:
On 9/20/2012 9:35 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 9/20/2012 8:15 AM, dadiOH wrote:
CW wrote:
Who will Win?
Doesn't matter, we lose either way.

+1

Let's see, we have an anti-American communist vs a pro-American
capitalist, and we "lose either way". The contrast is fairly large
even
if Romney is too liberal for you, Obummer can't be "not red" enough.

If we lose either way, what would make you think we could win?

I give that answer a -4, not a + anything, regardless of your
particular persuasion.

Tried to get on an airplane lately, or take photos of police in
action, or
just act like you're going to dance at the Washington monument, or
know for
sure whether the food you buy is non adulterated/GMO, or belong to a
co-op
that sells raw goat milk to the owners without an up-close and personal
SWAT visit, or get raided because you got shipped some legal hardwood
for
guitar fretboards, or wonder why all that military equipment is
going to
the local police, or watched your kid at college get pepper sprayed for
sitting on a sidewalk on campus, or been waited on by some ill
educated,
surly minimum wage asshole who can barely speak the language, no matter
where they came from, or got .95 cents interest on a $6000 bank
balance, or
somehow think you actually own your home, until you forget to pay a
property tax, or don't know you can't even hold your elected
representatives to task for those property tax appraisals, ad ****ing
infinitum??

The reality, Bubba, is you've already lost regardless of who won the
last
twenty elections ... just too ****ing stupid to realize it.

The reality bubba, is one party fully supports all those wonders of
which you speak, and the other party supports them much less... you are
just too ****ing stupid to realize there is a difference, and how you
vote matters. Worse, those that do support all that stuff are hoping
those that don't stay home, discouraged, apathetic and ignorant, as it
just doesn't matter.

This, with the help of a socialist media and educational system is how
we got stuck with all that good stuff in the first place.


See what I mean ... some are so politically dense that they don't even
recognize when they're preaching to the choir.

I responded to what you said, not what your heart strings may have
wished you sang.

Wrong again .. you responded, through the filter of your ignorance of
what was under discussion, to what you think/wished I had said.

Go ahead, try to argue with history, but you will lose ... again.

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop