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PVC for dust collection, is it safe?
I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something.
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: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Trying to stir up some discussion? We've talked about static from dust collection quite a bit... PVC has two basic issues: It can be brittle and the static is annoying. Since the PVC will be on the suction side, if it does become brittle and break, the pieces will be sucked into the collector. The static is only dangerous if by virtue of a static shock you react and hit something. Grounding PVC is done more for eliminating the annoyance factor than anything else. Some suggest going with 6" PVC for better flow, if your DC can handle it. It's much harder to find in reasonably priced quantities, though. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On 7/25/2012 10:54 AM, jtpr wrote:
.... 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? .... There is no evidence whatever that any small diameter dust collection system has had an explosion or fire sparked by static discharge in plastic. It _will_ shock on occasion like the olden days of wool carpets and dry indoor conditions. You can attempt to minimize that by wrapping w/ wire and grounding but since the material is nonconductive it's of marginal benefit. The biggest pita w/ it is twofold -- 1) The fittings for 4" dust collection aren't the same size as Sch 40 fittings so you have to adapt everything, and 2) It does and will collect from static charge. But, there are thousands of applications and I've used drain/waste PVC w/ the molded-in fittings for the main laterals here as it's lighter/cheaper and the 10-ft joints are convenient in small shop areas. I didn't bother to glue joints, they fit well enough to not leak significantly and can rearrange if desired/needed. BTW, be sure you use sweeps and larger radius fittings rather than ordinary tight elbows for less pressure drop and fewer hangups. Also keep the amount of flex hose to the bare minimum possible--it's the biggest sucker-upper of airflow you can have other than a block gate. OBTW -- on the 30-ga HVAC stuff--I've not tried it on a 2 hp collector but it will all depend on what pressure drop your fan will pull. At worst buy a section, hook it up to the inlet directly and do a block test and see if you can collapse it or not. -- |
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jtpr wrote:
I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Get some thin wall PVC drain pipe. You may need to wrap the ends of the gates with duct tape to get them to fit. I've used this for 12 years with no problems. Do not seal all the joints as you WILL have to open it up eventually to get something out. I initially ran copper wire through it, grounding it to the machines and the collector. Had so much trouble with curlies catching on it and stopping it up that I removed it about 5 years ago and have never had any problems since. Get a 20 or 30 gal fiber barrel with a metal lid, cut holes for two elbows to fit inside, turned in opposite directions. Connect the collector to one side and the duct to the other using flexible hose. Much easier to catch the trash and emptying it out of the barrel than out of the collector, and it stops large chips from banging on the turbine. Some fine dust will go through, I have to empty the bag every couple of years. I have 5 gates and 4 outlets for 2 1/4 " (?) hose for sweeping and catching dust at the lathe. A small round Tupperware container fits nicely in the outlet when it is not being used. -- G.W. Ross Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time. --Steven Wright |
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On 7/25/2012 11:54 AM, jtpr wrote:
I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim PVC is safe. I use it for a 2" system for small stuff, jointer,planer, 6x48 belt , sander , band saw, and the bottom of my TS saw to clear out the droppings, drill press, router table In all about 80 feet of pvc... no problems. A regular DC with 4" won't be a problem, there are many out there. If you really want a good system, bend your own pipe. Lookup on the internet there are small boxes people make so they can heat the pipe evenly. It keeps the heat in so it won't cool as they rotate it. Then make some nice long bends.... Piece of cake... I did something similar for kicks to see if it would work as easily as they showed.... yes it does. One day I'll get around to a full size cyclone... after I find a motor/ blade for a good price. |
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dpb wrote in :
*snip* OBTW -- on the 30-ga HVAC stuff--I've not tried it on a 2 hp collector but it will all depend on what pressure drop your fan will pull. At worst buy a section, hook it up to the inlet directly and do a block test and see if you can collapse it or not. If you're worried about collapsing, a simple pressure relief damper can be installed at the end of the run. All it is is basically a damper that can turn freely that is weighted at one end. In normal operation, the damper stays closed for maximum draw from the outlets. In a clogged/choked condition, the damper opens to take the pressure off the pipe. Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On 7/25/2012 2:26 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
wrote in : *snip* OBTW -- on the 30-ga HVAC stuff--I've not tried it on a 2 hp collector but it will all depend on what pressure drop your fan will pull. At worst buy a section, hook it up to the inlet directly and do a block test and see if you can collapse it or not. If you're worried about collapsing, a simple pressure relief damper can be installed at the end of the run. All it is is basically a damper that can turn freely that is weighted at one end. In normal operation, the damper stays closed for maximum draw from the outlets. In a clogged/choked condition, the damper opens to take the pressure off the pipe. .... Oh, gee, and take all the suspense out??? -- |
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On 7/25/12 10:54 AM, jtpr wrote:
I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On 7/25/2012 3:30 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/25/12 10:54 AM, jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. It will also negate your homeowner's insurance, and turn all your cherry brown ... -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 7/25/2012 4:30 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. Geez you're killing me... :-) |
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. ================================================== ================ Except Rambo. |
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On 7/25/12 4:44 PM, CW wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. ================================================== ================ Except Rambo. and Chuck Norris. :-) -- Froz... The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:44:13 -0700, "CW" wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message ... You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. ================================================= ================= Except Rambo. That goes without saying. Also, it won't harm Superman or the Terminator, either in governator form or in mufti. -- In the depth of winter, I finally learned that within me there lay an invincible summer. -- Albert Camus |
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-MIKE- wrote in news:jupl0r$luv$1
@speranza.aioe.org: You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. Who's sight? If he just closes his eyes immediately after the oak rust explosion, will everyone be safe? Save us, man! Close your eyes! Puckdropper -- Make it to fit, don't make it fit. |
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On Wed, 25 Jul 2012 11:09:00 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 7/25/2012 10:54 AM, jtpr wrote: ... 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? ... There is no evidence whatever that any small diameter dust collection system has had an explosion or fire sparked by static discharge in plastic. It _will_ shock on occasion like the olden days of wool carpets and dry indoor conditions. You can attempt to minimize that by wrapping w/ wire and grounding but since the material is nonconductive it's of marginal benefit. The biggest pita w/ it is twofold -- 1) The fittings for 4" dust collection aren't the same size as Sch 40 fittings so you have to adapt everything, and I found some adapters (Rockler) that adapt drainage (schedule 20?) PVC to dust collector stuff. The problem I have is that I've found that 4" dust collection hardware doesn't fit 4" dust collection hardware. Indeed, different tools have different sized ports. Grr. |
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On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:30:23 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. You just had to do that didn't you Mike. We came this far without any crazy crash, burn and obliterated statements - then this. I know - the devil made you...... Jeeeeesssshhhhh! RonB |
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On 7/25/12 11:25 PM, RonB wrote:
On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:30:23 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote: > You'll be fine as long as you never run any oak saw dust through it. Oak rust will rot that mofo from the inside out and the resulting explosion will send shrapnel up to a mile, killing everyone in sight. You just had to do that didn't you Mike. We came this far without any crazy crash, burn and obliterated statements - then this. I know - the devil made you...... Jeeeeesssshhhhh! RonB Did you know SawStop was designed totally on Google Sketchup, the best CAD program in the world? :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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jtpr wrote:
I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb |
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On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote:
jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. |
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Leon wrote:
On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. -- -Mike- |
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On 7/26/2012 12:16 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
.... Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. The biggest problem in woodshop dust explosion (getting one, that is) is that the particle sizes are far too large if there is enough mass and it's essentially impossible to generate enough mass by sanding to reach the necessary stoichiometry (concentration). I estimated once that to reach the level w/ sanding a 1-ft square board in a very small 250 cfm system it would require something like removing almost 3/16" of material a minute over the entire surface to reach the 0.003 lb/cuft estimated by US FPL as the lower critical concentration for an explosion. Then in PVC, while it builds a great charge, owing to it being an insulator it is virtually impossible to get an actual discharge spark of any energy content to speak of as only a very small portion of the charge will travel to the discharge point. This is different than a conductive surface that allows for charge transport through the material. So you can get the annoying static charge that makes hair stand on end and collects dust, etc., etc., etc., but can't get an energetic charge to light it off even if could get the dust concentration. Where there's more hazard is in the collections but it's not explosion it's a smoldering spark that finally bursts to flame if a metal chunk hits a metal fan and makes a hot flying chunk... I came close in the base of the PM66 once when hit a wood screw and it did the nasty... -- |
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On Thursday, July 26, 2012 1:16:26 PM UTC-4, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: > On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: >> jtpr wrote: >> >>> I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years >>> later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage >>> collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would >>> really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, >>> accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that >>> unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I >>> will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the >>> PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge >>> metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this >>> machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to >>> Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a >>> PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. >>> >>> -Jim >> >> >> Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off >> a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as >> "Thoroughly Busted." >> >> Deb >> > > > I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather > than being thoroughly busted. Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. -- -Mike- OK, well, I'm going with the PVC from the Depot. I bought a 2' piece and stopped at WoodCraft and found an adapter to hook it to my 4" flexible hose. I already had bought the cyclone top thingy they sell that goes on a metal 30 gallon trash can and it works great. I think I'm rocking now. I gave all my oak to the woodworker down the street that I don't like. -Jim PS, thank you for all the input. |
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 12:04:11 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. I didn't think PVC pipe -wore- bras. -- It takes as much energy to wish as to plan. --Eleanor Roosevelt |
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On 7/26/2012 12:16 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Leon wrote: On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. Exactly! You are going to get the spark, that is a certainty especially if you see any dust collecting/sticking like a magnet on the outside of the pipe/hose. The thing to be more concerned about is are there any combustible vapors lingering around. |
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:51:42 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
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PVC for dust collection, is it safe?
If the plastic fails it might shard and be dangerous.
Wonder about long term after n-flexes or n-hits in corners. Martin On 7/27/2012 6:51 AM, Leon wrote: On 7/26/2012 12:16 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Leon wrote: On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. Exactly! You are going to get the spark, that is a certainty especially if you see any dust collecting/sticking like a magnet on the outside of the pipe/hose. The thing to be more concerned about is are there any combustible vapors lingering around. |
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PVC for dust collection, is it safe?
On 7/31/2012 12:02 AM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
If the plastic fails it might shard and be dangerous. Wonder about long term after n-flexes or n-hits in corners. Martin Mine has been in use since 1976. Not a problem, and it is the cheap schedule 20 stuff. I only suck super fine dust through it though, anything bigger falls into a drum before it gets to the filter or the piping. I would not hesitate to suck the bigger sawdust through the pipe though, no worries there. -- Jack Add Life to your Days not Days to your Life. http://jbstein.com On 7/27/2012 6:51 AM, Leon wrote: On 7/26/2012 12:16 PM, Mike Marlow wrote: Leon wrote: On 7/26/2012 11:02 AM, Dr. Deb wrote: jtpr wrote: I asked a long time ago about duct work for DC in my shop, 2 years later I'm finally ready to do it. I have a 1.5hp single stage collector and I want to get the 4" hoses off the floor. I would really like to use 4" PVC to do this as it is a whole lot easier, accessible, and cheaper. But what about static? Is it really that unsafe? Can it be grounded? This is a small shop, 20x20 and I will probably just be going to my table saw and planer to start. If the PVC is really not safe, then what is wrong with the 30 gauge metal stuff at HD? I can't believe I have the horsepower in this machine to buckle it, but maybe I'm wrong. It's just that going to Woodcraft for duct work is VERY expensive, and ordering online is a PITA whenever I need something. Thanks again for the input. -Jim Mythbusters did a show on trying to get enough static electricty off a piecss of PVC pipe to cause an explosion. The listed it as "Thoroughly Busted." Deb I would have thought the PVC would have only let off a spark rather than being thoroughly busted. Well - it was thoroughly busted - but... even if there were a static issue, it would bee too small, in to difuse an environment, to matter at all. What most people overlook is that it's not about the static discharge, it's about the concentration of the material in question, in the air. You have to have a minimul concentration in the air before you can expect a problem. Exactly! You are going to get the spark, that is a certainty especially if you see any dust collecting/sticking like a magnet on the outside of the pipe/hose. The thing to be more concerned about is are there any combustible vapors lingering around. |
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