RicodJour wrote the following:
On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's say
it is.


We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.

R


Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
what's that C-clamp holding?


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willshak wrote:
RicodJour wrote the following:
On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
let's say it is.


We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.

R


Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
what's that C-clamp holding?

I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edge of
the board to the saw horse nearest him. The C clamp appears to be holding
the "rip fence" in place.

--

-Mike-

On 3/24/2011 12:40 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do.
Friction
with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood
that
should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.


That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.

A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner,
while watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from
an accident.

The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
concentrating on the saw you are operating.

On 3/24/11 8:32 AM, k-nuttle wrote:
Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.


That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.

A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner,
while watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from
an accident.

The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
concentrating on the saw you are operating.


Another fallacy is that you don't need all those fancy safety devices if
you just pay attention and work safely.


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On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
do.
Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
to move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
wood that should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
is perfectly safe.

Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.


Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
in the ER getting stitched up.

When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."

Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
to look forward to.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
do.
Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
to move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
wood that should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
is perfectly safe.

Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.


Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
in the ER getting stitched up.

When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."

Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
to look forward to.



I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that
if I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see
what the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on
his "protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.

Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.

--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX

On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you
do.
Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
to move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
wood that should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
is perfectly safe.

Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just don't
think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.


Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
in the ER getting stitched up.

When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."

Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
to look forward to.



I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that if
I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see what
the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on his
"protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.

Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.


Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 3/24/2011 2:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
On 3/24/2011 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/24/11 7:03 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as
parallel as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than
you
do.
Friction with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident
that the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise
prevented from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight,"
I'm lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would
push my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in
the direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes
to move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed
my Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force
wood that should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
is perfectly safe.

Nah - not that I think it's pretty safe. Not even something I would
consider to be a regular part of my wood working practices. I just
don't
think it's a dangerous as has been suggested here.


Nobody ever thinks anything is as dangerous. Apparently there are guys
in here who think their saw's splitter is too inconvenient to bother
with. And that's on a proper table saw. It's all hyperbole until you're
in the ER getting stitched up.

When I see stuff like that in person, my motto is, have the argument now
before there is any bloodshed. Last time, I didn't.
I was helping my producer friend build a studio in his house. His bass
player was there doing most of the work and design. He had a little
table top job-site table saw sitting on the driveway, with the guard and
splitter removed. I didn't know the guy very well so I didn't say
anything. After the guy left, I told my producer friend, "He should
really be more careful as a carpenter if he wants to keep playing bass."

Not two months later, he called me and told my the guy had to go to the
hospital to get his hand stitched up and had months of physical therapy
to look forward to.



I had a similar occurrence on a jobsite. A guy had a saw with guards,
riving knives, splitters, etc. I mentioned to the superintendant that if
I had to have all that stuff on my saw, I wouldn't be able to see what
the hell I was doing. A week later, the guy cut his hand open on his
"protected" table saw. Out for 2 months.

Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.


Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.

I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
bandsaw once, though.


--
Robert Allison
New Braunfels, TX

On 3/24/2011 3:41 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
....

I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
bandsaw once, though.

There's no point in it, but...

Agree Robert, and I'm (apparently) even older as I've "gotten by" for 50
years (altho not every day, still frequent and there were periods that
were scattered thru there).

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience and didn't (apparently) come from the time when such was the
norm that there weren't any such apparati at all, anyway, whether one
cared or not. Pre- the OSHA furor beginning in the 60s when I began,
there wasn't even a guard available for the TS from the manufacturer and
splitters were essentially unheard of except for a few commercial saws.

W/ the growing up that way, one learns a whole different skill set I
believe and that remains as times and technology...

There are places where they work well, sometimes they can be coped with,
other times they really are more a detriment than a help.

I don't have the bandwidth to see the particular setup but my gut guess
is it isn't terribly unsafe; it's only unconventional and therefore
judged on that basis as much or more than the actual facts.

Would it meet OSHA? Probably not...then again, I don't meet OSHA often
on farm work and don't feel I take any undue risks at all.

--

On 3/24/11 3:55 PM, dpb wrote:
On 3/24/2011 3:41 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
...

I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
bandsaw once, though.

There's no point in it, but...

Agree Robert, and I'm (apparently) even older as I've "gotten by" for 50
years (altho not every day, still frequent and there were periods that
were scattered thru there).

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience

In my case that is incorrect.


and didn't (apparently) come from the time when such was the
norm that there weren't any such apparati at all, anyway, whether one
cared or not. Pre- the OSHA furor beginning in the 60s when I began,
there wasn't even a guard available for the TS from the manufacturer and
splitters were essentially unheard of except for a few commercial saws.

W/ the growing up that way, one learns a whole different skill set I
believe and that remains as times and technology...

There are places where they work well, sometimes they can be coped with,
other times they really are more a detriment than a help.

I don't have the bandwidth to see the particular setup but my gut guess
is it isn't terribly unsafe; it's only unconventional and therefore
judged on that basis as much or more than the actual facts.

Would it meet OSHA? Probably not...then again, I don't meet OSHA often
on farm work and don't feel I take any undue risks at all.

--

There are just as many old guys who grew up without antilock brakes,
airbag, seatbelts, power steering and all that new fanged stuff who
swear a model T is safer and easier to drive. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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On 3/24/2011 4:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
....

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience

In my case that is incorrect.
....

OK, then, you're just preachy...



--

On 3/24/11 5:32 PM, dpb wrote:
On 3/24/2011 4:13 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
...

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience

In my case that is incorrect.
...

OK, then, you're just preachy...




I see the smiley, but I don't mind the label.
I've witnessed too (2, in fact) many friends get hurt very bad, due to
poor operation like the foolishness in that video.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article om, "Lee
Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net wrote:


"Doug Miller" wrote

So if it vibrates or bounces around too much, it automatically
implements one
of the safety features of the SawStop: the blade drops out of the
way....

right on to his foot.

Naaah. Blade's on the up side. ;-)


Stuff always lands sharp end down.

On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:13:03 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

On 3/24/11 3:55 PM, dpb wrote:
On 3/24/2011 3:41 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
...

I guess my safety practices has nothing to do with it. I use my table
saw almost every day. For decades. Safety is my main concern. I just
don't depend on those new fangled "safety" devices. I depend on my
attention and safe practices. Still have all ten fingers and toes and I
can say that I have never cut myself on a table saw. Cut myself with a
bandsaw once, though.

There's no point in it, but...

Agree Robert, and I'm (apparently) even older as I've "gotten by" for 50
years (altho not every day, still frequent and there were periods that
were scattered thru there).

I think the big problem w/ guys like Mike is they don't have that
experience

In my case that is incorrect.


and didn't (apparently) come from the time when such was the
norm that there weren't any such apparati at all, anyway, whether one
cared or not. Pre- the OSHA furor beginning in the 60s when I began,
there wasn't even a guard available for the TS from the manufacturer and
splitters were essentially unheard of except for a few commercial saws.

W/ the growing up that way, one learns a whole different skill set I
believe and that remains as times and technology...

There are places where they work well, sometimes they can be coped with,
other times they really are more a detriment than a help.

I don't have the bandwidth to see the particular setup but my gut guess
is it isn't terribly unsafe; it's only unconventional and therefore
judged on that basis as much or more than the actual facts.

Would it meet OSHA? Probably not...then again, I don't meet OSHA often
on farm work and don't feel I take any undue risks at all.

--

There are just as many old guys who grew up without antilock brakes,
airbag, seatbelts, power steering and all that new fanged stuff who
swear a model T is safer and easier to drive. :-)
Easier? NEVER. I know lots of guys who drove "T"s, and NONE would say
they were "easy" to drive compared to virtually anything built in the
last 70 years. And virtually none would say they were SAFER either.
2 wheel mechanical brakes on narrow "skidders" that would go flat if
they saw a thorn or a sharp stone within 50 yards, not to mention at
least 100 other things that routinely went wrong with them - like
bouncing off the road after hitting a pothole, dog, or hog, and
rolling over on their sides with little provocation (high center of
gravity and poor or non-existant "damping".

That's after you got it started without breaking a wrist or thumb.

They were, in many ways, better than a horse.

"k-nuttle" wrote in message
...
On 3/24/2011 12:40 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 10:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
On 3/23/11 2:25 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:


The slightest binding with the blade or friction with the top and
the whole think slips off the saw horses.

He has a rip fence on his contraption. As long as it is as parallel
as your rip fence, then he suffers no greater risk than you do.
Friction
with the top? that has never been a contributor to kick
back. All that does is make a slower cut. Slipping off the saw
horses? There is an inherent coefficient of friction based on the
weight of the contraption and it will require more friction than
that to cause it to slip off the horses. It's not even evident that
the "table" is not secured to the horses, or otherwise prevented
from slipping. Maybe it is, and maybe it isn't.

As for the "inherent coefficient of friction based on the weight," I'm
lmao at that. I've ripped long boards that were bowed and would push
my delta along the concrete and it's pretty darn heavy.
I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but let's
say it is. It takes very little force to topple most saw horses in the
direction his are set up. Certainly FAR less than what it takes to
move my Delta.

Mike - you need to add some weight to that Delta. I've never pushed my
Craftsman across the garage floor - but then I don't try to force wood
that
should not require that much force through my saw,


Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.


That is one of the fallacies of people today. They think by adding
gimmicks to what ever they are using makes them safe.

A saw can have every safety gimmick in the world but, if the operator is
listening to his Ipod through his earphones, talking to his partner, while
watching the girl across the yard, nothing will protect him from an
accident.

The best safety device is your ability to think, be creative and
concentrating on the saw you are operating.



Same with driving. But having a seat belt, air bags, collapsible steering
wheel, etc all make driving a lot less injurious than it was 50 years ago.

--
Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
RicodJour wrote the following:
On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
let's say it is.


We don't have to say it is, it is. You can see the X in the closer,
lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.

R


Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
what's that C-clamp holding?

I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edge
of the board to the saw horse nearest him. The C clamp appears to be
holding the "rip fence" in place.


Fence looks to be held by screws also.

"willshak" wrote in message
m...
Mike Marlow wrote the following:
Nova wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:23:58 GMT, (Doug Miller)
wrote:


In article ,
wrote:

This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

With no splitter, he's just begging for a kickback. I don't see that
there's
any greater inherent danger of amputations with this setup than with
any other table saw, though, except to the extent that someone who
would engage in this sort of redneck rigging is less likely to
observe proper safety precautions
than someone who would instead buy, borrow, or rent the right
equipment.

It's pretty common to see setups like that on construction sites,
especially siding jobs, in my area.


I wouldn't want to use something like that instead of my table saw, but
in reality, there is nothing necessarily dangerous with that setup. I'd
even disagree with Doug's comment above yours - it's not "begging" for a
kickback. Kickback is dependent on factors and techniques in cutting a
piece of wood - not on the presence of a splitter, or lack thereof.



That's a good thing to have when you are going to do a job at Mom's house
across town. The whole setup would fit in a car trunk.


So would a bench top saw.

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:44:37 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:56:34 -0700, "CW"
wrote:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

Why?

Yea, he'll still (hopefully) have his toes.

You haven't seen him use his homemade bandsaw yet, have you?


Dueling?

On Mar 23, 12:53*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

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A lot of us started out like that before saving up
for a real ts. Reasonably safe if you pay attention,
use *two* clamps to lock in the fence, and don't
try to rip a board across its short dimension.

On Mar 24, 9:52*pm, "Lobby Dosser" wrote:
"Mike Marlow" wrote in message

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willshak wrote:
RicodJour wrote the following:
On Mar 23, 5:00 pm, -MIKE- wrote:

I thought it was pretty evident the thing wasn't attached, but
let's say it is.

We don't have to say it is, it is. *You can see the X in the closer,
lower right screw head if you blow up the vid to full screen.

R

Maybe that is a screw, but where's the one on the left horse side, and
what's that C-clamp holding?

I thought that the one more inboard was the screw holding the other edge
of the board to the saw horse nearest him. *The C clamp appears to be
holding the "rip fence" in place.

Fence looks to be held by screws also.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Single rubber clamp. Doesn't hold worth ****.

On Mar 23, 1:06*pm, "Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message

... This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

I love the on - off switch! *Definitely low tech.

Unfortunately, it'll burn out early due to arcing from
plugging in and unplugging a live tool. What's a cheap
Leviton light switch sell for, $0.69?

"Father Haskell" wrote in message
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On Mar 23, 1:06 pm, "Lee Michaels" leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message

... This guy will only be
able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ

I love the on - off switch! Definitely low tech.

Unfortunately, it'll burn out early due to arcing from
plugging in and unplugging a live tool. What's a cheap
Leviton light switch sell for, $0.69?

$2.99

Max

On 3/24/11 10:40 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , wrote:
On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
[...]
Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.


Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.

s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/


Really? You're that guy?


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In article , says...

On 3/24/11 10:40 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
In , wrote:
On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
[...]
Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.


Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.

s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/


Really? You're that guy?

I used to have one of those Sears tables where you
mounted a table saw underneath. It had a switch,
fortunately. I made quite a few things with that
setup.

s

In article , wrote:
On 3/24/11 2:26 PM, Robert Allison wrote:
[...]
Robert, the guy who has gone 40 years without a serious accident on
table saws with nothing but a blade and a fence.


Like someone else once said in another related thread, just because your
foolishness hasn't resulted in any consequences doesn't make it any less
foolish.

s/hasn't resulted/hasn't yet resulted/

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Domino, CT26, Ro 90. ÿFantastisch!

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Wowsers. Congrats!


Thanks!
(No esperanto here)

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.

On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.


bull****.


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"CW" wrote in
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video
is perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.

I used a commercial variation of the setup a long time ago. I can't find
the company name. Now it is a stand for my little planer and my big
homemade airfilter. I don't recall having had any real problem with the
setup, but my Craftsman tablesaw with modifications (bought ca. 25 years
ago) works easier.
Pictures on ABPW

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There should be an orange and black logo on the top saying "Black and
Decker". My top was replaced years ago with a router inset top.

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"Han" wrote in message ...
I used a commercial variation of the setup a long time ago. I can't find
the company name. Now it is a stand for my little planer and my big
homemade airfilter. I don't recall having had any real problem with the
setup, but my Craftsman tablesaw with modifications (bought ca. 25 years
ago) works easier.
Pictures on ABPW

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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.


bull****.

yes, you are full of it.

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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This guy will only be able to count to ten for another day or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkWgzAk0kuQ


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Harbor Freight new product testor.

On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:06:10 -0700, "CW"
wrote:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.

bull****.

yes, you are full of it.

With neither a splitter nor a guard, I strongly doubt that it's as
safe as a saw can be. It's also low enough to lay your torso flat on
top of it if you slipped. Perfect for those quick sternum splits so
you can perform open heart surgery, wot?


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Make the best use of what is in your power,
and take the rest as it happens.
-- Epictetus

On 3/27/11 12:06 AM, CW wrote:
wrote in message
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On 3/25/11 10:38 PM, CW wrote:
wrote in message
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Yeah, whatever.
Bottom line, you seem to think the operation of the saw in that video is
perfectly safe.

Probably because it is. As safe as a saw can be.


bull****.

yes, you are full of it.


What grade are you in?


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Larry Jaques wrote in
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With neither a splitter nor a guard, I strongly doubt that it's as
safe as a saw can be. It's also low enough to lay your torso flat on
top of it if you slipped. Perfect for those quick sternum splits so
you can perform open heart surgery, wot?



There's no warning stickers either! How can it be safe without warning
stickers?!

Puckdropper