"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Leon wrote:

Not to mention the refinerys that go down for maintence or repairs. The
local news paper tells us how this particular refinery in
Oklahoma being down is going to affect the price of gasoline because
of it not producing. BS! Any one refinery produces the "drop in the
bucket" in the grands scheme of things.

It DOES make a difference. Virtually all U.S. refineries are operating at
100% capacity. When one goes offline, the effects are almost always felt.


In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline shortage.
I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita threatened Houston a 6
years ago. If there were truely shortates we would see lines at the pump,
basically we would actually see shortages. The media is what sets every
thing up for the refineries to raise prices.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another,
you
pay for it.

And what does that troll have to do with the price of gas?

It doesn't. He just had to inject his last word comment and that was all
that came to mind.

Leon wrote:

In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see
shortages. The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries
to raise prices.

You must have been asleep during the Carter years (was that thirty years
ago?).

But you're right. There is no shortage of gasoline, only a shortage of CHEAP
gasoline.

As demand goes down, supply increases and prices drop. When prices rise,
demand falls off.

A city government can cut its gasoline supply by a significant amount by
simply parking its police cars instead of them patrolling around. They
answer calls, of course, but no more cruising.

When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an 8-hour
shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe 50 miles on the
patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...

Individual citizens make the same trade-offs.

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...

"George W Frost" wrote in message
news

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
eb.com...
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew


Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming

We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular


Here in Canada, where we have all the oil sands and export most to the US,
gasoline in Ontario costs $1.15 per litre, at 4 litres per gallon, that is
$4.60 per gallon. Don't complain about $3.00 to $4.00 a gallon because
that is a bargain, and it is probably made from the same Canadian oil that
our overpriced gas is made from.


The difference is, of course, TAXES. You guys have to pay for Nanny somehow.

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Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

"Dave Balderstone" wrote in message
news:210220111104453796%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderst one.ca...
In article ocal, J.
Clarke wrote:

In article 210220110844540303%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca,
says...

In article ocal, J.
Clarke wrote:

Noticed the cost of food lately?

Some of the subsidies coming off down there? About time.

Actually has more to do with gasohol than with subsidies.

That's nonsense. It has to do with protectionism, keeping up with
European farm subsidies, and intruding into developing economies.

All of that makes food more expensive? Do tell.

Removing gummint subsidies makes things cheaper? Do tell.


When people are subsides to Not produce, yes.

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Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

"Bob Martin" wrote in message
...
in 1492357 20110222 023941 Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
"Lew wrote in message
eb.com...
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

No sooner than we are willing to pay that price. The perceived supply
and
demand really has no effect on gasoline prices so much as the other
pricing
stratigy, "What The Market Will Bare". If we are stupid enough to pay
high
prices they are certainly going to charge those prices.

I paid $3.17 for premium at a Chevron station today, regular was $2.89,
what are you guys in California willing to pay?


I paid $3.03 (regular) in Indianapolis today, and I filled up feeling
fortunate it wasn't higher. Considering "What The Market Will Bare"
certainly is another aspect.. ; )

Naked gas station staff?


Moon Over Mobil

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Ever wonder why doctors, dentists and lawyers have to Practice so much? Ever
wonder why you let them Practice on You?

"Leon" wrote in message
...

In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita threatened
Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we would see lines
at the pump, basically we would actually see shortages. The media is what
sets every thing up for the refineries to raise prices.


The media ? Huh?
I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.

The media ?

Dave in Houston

HeyBub wrote:


When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an
8-hour shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe
50 miles on the patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...


You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a shift.
I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.

--

-Mike-

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...



Of course, that was my point, that sooner or later, one way or another,
you pay for it.

Right, but so many US residents (particularly far right Republicans) seem
to be convinced that Healthcare is provided free to everyone.

Yes, Americans have weird views of Canadian health care. Few of them
actually know how it works, yet half of them think it's a "free" health care
paradise, and the other half think it's flaming socialism with year-long
waits to get a bandaid.

"DGDevin" wrote in message
Yes, Americans have weird views of Canadian health care. Few of them
actually know how it works, yet half of them think it's a "free" health
care paradise, and the other half think it's flaming socialism with
year-long waits to get a bandaid.

For once, I agree with you 100%.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Leon wrote:

In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see
shortages. The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries
to raise prices.

You must have been asleep during the Carter years (was that thirty years
ago?).

But you're right. There is no shortage of gasoline, only a shortage of
CHEAP gasoline.

As demand goes down, supply increases and prices drop. When prices rise,
demand falls off.


Supply may increase a bit but gasoline does have a shelf life and if kept
stored too long will deteriorate.

"Dave In Texas" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote in message
...

In the last 30 years I have not once felt the effect of a gasoline
shortage. I have not seen a gas line except when hurricane Rita
threatened Houston a 6 years ago. If there were truely shortates we
would see lines at the pump, basically we would actually see shortages.
The media is what sets every thing up for the refineries to raise prices.


The media ? Huh?
I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.

The media ?

Dave in Houston

You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes everything,
then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil industry benefits
from that, unless they are spilling oil.

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Dave In Texas" wrote in message

The media ? Huh?
I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.

The media ?

Dave in Houston

You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes
everything, then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil
industry benefits from that, unless they are spilling oil.

Agreed, the "media" sensationalizes a lot of the news but I can't buy
that argument where the price of oil is concerned. If the media were the
cause then what's the effect? Panic buying by the gullible public that
drives the price of fuels up? Panic hoarding?
I don't think the gullible audience has any say-so what-so-ever. What I
think happens is that commodity brokers use any excuse to bid the price of a
barrel up and up and up. What I think is that the higher the price of a
gallon of regular goes the more ways the gullible audience looks to save a
little here and there.

Dave in Houston.

Mike Marlow wrote:
HeyBub wrote:


When I was a cop, we put between 200 and 300 miles on the car in an
8-hour shift. During the Carter oil fiasco, we parked and put maybe
50 miles on the patrol car each night. Ate a lot of donuts...


You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a
shift. I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.

No, I was a deputy sheriff in Harris County Texas (which surrounds Houston).
The department has primary police responsibility for more citizens than any
of the other 253 counties in the state, about 3 million, even though we
don't do anything inside the thirty-odd cities within the county.

Total patrol area is about 1,000 sq miles.

"Dave In Texas" wrote in message
...

"Leon" wrote in message
...

"Dave In Texas" wrote in message

The media ? Huh?
I'll have some of whatever it is that Leon's been smoking.

The media ?

Dave in Houston

You have not caught on to that yet??? The media sensationalizes
everything, then the gullible audience buys into that and,,, the oil
industry benefits from that, unless they are spilling oil.

Agreed, the "media" sensationalizes a lot of the news but I can't buy
that argument where the price of oil is concerned. If the media were the
cause then what's the effect? Panic buying by the gullible public that
drives the price of fuels up? Panic hoarding?
I don't think the gullible audience has any say-so what-so-ever. What I
think happens is that commodity brokers use any excuse to bid the price of
a barrel up and up and up. What I think is that the higher the price of a
gallon of regular goes the more ways the gullible audience looks to save a
little here and there.

Dave in Houston.


We are think close to the same lines here, I believe the media inadvertently
conditions its audience to expect high prices for "what ever non valid
reason" and the oil companies jump on the opportunity to oblige.
Imagine the outrage if "ALL" gas stations went up 15 cents per gallon with
out notice from the media. We are not quite as outraged if we are not blind
sided.
The media creates the opportunity for the oil companies and or brokers take
advantage of a sensationalized story.

Lew Hodgett wrote:

Here in California we are blessed to have all the following forms of
alternate energy generation.

Geo Thermal electrical generation.
Direct solar photo voltaic electrical generation.
Solar-thermal-turbine electrical generation.
Hydro-electric electrical generation.
Bio-mass electrical generation.
Wind mill power generation.
This does not include the little box eBay is using for a big piece of
their power requirements.

None of these methods are free standing, but they all reduce the
fossil fuel load which reduces our balance of payments issue.


But NONE of them reduce oil imports, since virtually all oil imports are
used in transportation.

Since much of the natural gas used for electric generation in California
comes from western Canada, you can't say much about the balance of payments
either.

About 12% of California's electric needs come from renewable resources:
Whale oil, timber, hamster wheels, etc.

This is not an insignificant amount.

HeyBub wrote:
Mike Marlow wrote:


You must have been a in a rural area to have put those miles on in a
shift. I thought you were a NYC cop - must have misunderstood.

No, I was a deputy sheriff in Harris County Texas (which surrounds
Houston). The department has primary police responsibility for more
citizens than any of the other 253 counties in the state, about 3
million, even though we don't do anything inside the thirty-odd
cities within the county.
Total patrol area is about 1,000 sq miles.

Ok - I was only off by a little bit...

--

-Mike-

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:4d669a60$0$29569
:

Sorry but there are already alternate sources of energy available that
are cost effective vs fossil fuels at less than $4/gal.

The cost of gasoline today does not reflect the total cost of
gasoline, but that is an accounting problem.

As a nation, we just have to get up off our dead and dying and get
started solving our energy independance opportunity.

Lew


You know... if we could capture excess heat from various sources (houses,
cars, bigger electronics like computers) and turn it in to useful energy,
we'd be able to offset some of our energy needs.

I know... This is step 1 in the process:
1. Some idea
2. ???
3. Profit!

Puckdropper

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
web.com...
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew


Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming

We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular

Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
lesser degree of course).

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:37:18 -0500, dhall987 wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
aweb.com...
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew


Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming

We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular

Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
lesser degree of course).

There is a big difference in formulations, as well. The difference in taxes
between CA and AL, for instance, is *not* $1/gallon.

On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 16:37:18 -0500, dhall987 wrote:

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:20:17 +1100, "George W Frost"
wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
aweb.com...
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew


Just reading where it is $2.91 in Wyoming

We here in OZ are paying $6 a gallon for premium and $5.60 for regular

Everybody who wants to post their comparitive gasoline pricing needs
to adjust for their state/country taxes. I am fairly sure that gas is
not really that variable in price, just that some countries/states
want to tax it more than others either for revenue purposes or to try
to influence the actions of their citizens. I would bet that OZ has a
damned high tax rate compared to Wyoming... as does California (to a
lesser degree of course).

Indiana pump price did not include the taxes back in the past. Perhaps
a hoosier can enlighten me if that is still the case, I believe that
changed.

Mark

In article , Markem wrote:

Indiana pump price did not include the taxes back in the past. Perhaps
a hoosier can enlighten me if that is still the case, I believe that
changed.

Indiana pump prices have always included applicable state and Federal gasoline
taxes. Through the late 1970s, maybe into the early 1980s, the pump price did
not include state sales tax. I don't remember exactly when it changed, but our
pump prices have included all taxes, including state sales tax, for
approximately thirty years.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:39:51 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew

It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
to $3.39 accross the border in New York

....and with the Canuck buck being worth $1.03 US that brings it to $4.97 US
per US gallon.

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wrote in message ...
It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
to $3.39 accross the border in New York

On Feb 28, 11:50*pm, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 17:39:51 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"

wrote:
Continued unrest in the MidEast.

How long before $5/gal gasoline.

Noticed the cost of food lately?

You betcha, let's dig for more oil, that's the answer.

Wonder why the 5th fleet is located where it is.

Lew

It was $4.83 per US gallon here in Ontario Canada last night. Compared
to $3.39 accross the border in New York

I only buy fuel in Port Huron, MI these days. The bridge-toll is off-
set by the price difference in a 12-pack of Erdinger Weissbier alone.
G
It was a little awkward to pull up behind the Jag of Sarnia Chamber Of
Commerce's president at a Port Huron gas station some time ago.
I pretended not to see him. He appreciated my effort. LOL. (Although
he owes me a round.)