I'm in the market for the purchase of a cabinet saw. Last summer I burned
up a ryobi direct drive milling cypress for a deck. I promised myself,
never again direct drive. I have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 08:14:42 -0500, "Kirk E. Dobihal"
wrote:

I'm in the market for the purchase of a cabinet saw. Last summer I burned
up a ryobi direct drive milling cypress for a deck. I promised myself,
never again direct drive. I have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.


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"Kirk E. Dobihal" wrote in message
I'm in the market for the purchase of a cabinet saw. Last summer I burned
up a ryobi direct drive milling cypress for a deck. I promised myself,
never again direct drive. I have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw,
3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

First and foremost, it depends upon the condition of the saw itself ... then
any extras that come with it and the cost of getting it home and running,
versus a new one.

Without seeing the saw in question, for $1200 I would expect to be buying
one "like new", with low mileage and in excellent condition ... YMMV.

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"Kirk E. Dobihal" wrote in message ...
I have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

The real answer is in the condition of the saw. I think $1500 may be light
for that model today (I think closer to $1800) but you can check that out
easily. The Unisaw is one of the best on the market and you will not be
disappointed with it.
Ed

Kirk E. Dobihal states:

have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

It's not a helluva deal, but you face some "buts". Is it in great condition? Is
it tuned? How much use has it seen? I wouldn't touch a Unisaw at $1200 used
unless it hit the first 2 marks, and was on the low end for the third. Or
unless it was 40 years old and hit all 3 marks. I'd jump on that.

Look for rust, measure run-out, check miter slots, generally do everything
you'd do if you were planning on tuning the saw up at home. If you find ANY
problems at that price, walk away or negotiate.

After all, for another $300 or so, you get a new saw, with warranty.

Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain

LRod writes:

3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.

Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.

Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
LRod writes:

3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on
this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.

Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.

That's what I was thinking also, and was why I leapt. IIRC, the "Unisaw
Lite" was selling new for around $1299 ... but with all the Delta
models/flavors these days, I could well be mistaken.

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On 08 Apr 2004 15:00:47 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote:

LRod writes:

3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.

Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.

I wasn't aware of that. I just wanted to throw the U-L out as
something to watch out for. There have been plenty of people that
weren't aware of its existance.

Thanks.

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On 08 Apr 2004 15:00:47 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote:


Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.

The General 350/650 uses 2 belts.

Barry

"B a r r y" wrote in message
On 08 Apr 2004 15:00:47 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote:


Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.

The General 350/650 uses 2 belts.

Cheap POS, eh?

.... you know I'm kidding. General is the only saw I've seen in that general
price range I'd consider trading my Uni for.

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otforme (Charlie Self) wrote in message ...
Kirk E. Dobihal states:

have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

It's not a helluva deal, but you face some "buts". Is it in great condition? Is
it tuned? How much use has it seen? I wouldn't touch a Unisaw at $1200 used
unless it hit the first 2 marks, and was on the low end for the third. Or
unless it was 40 years old and hit all 3 marks. I'd jump on that.

Look for rust, measure run-out, check miter slots, generally do everything
you'd do if you were planning on tuning the saw up at home. If you find ANY
problems at that price, walk away or negotiate.

After all, for another $300 or so, you get a new saw, with warranty.

Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain


OR for a couple hundred LESS you can get a new Grizzly cabinet saw with warrenty.

Dave Hall

On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:16:32 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote:

LRod wrote:
Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong but I don't ever
remember referring to it as a Unisaw Light.

Hmmm. I stand corrected. Maybe *I* just coined it...


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otforme (Charlie Self) wrote in message ...
Kirk E. Dobihal states:

have a chance at a used Delta cabinet saw, 3h,
3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers and extended table
wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my thinking is I am not
getting that much of a break. Anybody out there have any opinions on this
or advice on cabinet saws in general.

It's not a helluva deal, but you face some "buts". Is it in great condition? Is
it tuned? How much use has it seen? I wouldn't touch a Unisaw at $1200 used
unless it hit the first 2 marks, and was on the low end for the third. Or
unless it was 40 years old and hit all 3 marks. I'd jump on that.

Look for rust, measure run-out, check miter slots, generally do everything
you'd do if you were planning on tuning the saw up at home. If you find ANY
problems at that price, walk away or negotiate.

After all, for another $300 or so, you get a new saw, with warranty.

Charlie Self
"Adam and Eve had many advantages but the principal one was that they escaped
teething." Mark Twain







Dear Clif:

In a previous life I was a tool dealer and owned a woodworking supply
store. In my career I have sold 100's of tablesaws: Delta's, Jets,
Powermatics as well as Dewalts and others. Most problems one has with
equipment was freight damage. Since we unloaded the trucks, put them
in our wharehouse, and then loaded or deliveried them to the customer
direct we had very few problems. I am a big fan of the Delta Unisaw
and I have had experience with 100's of saws not just one, I am very
confident in recommending the Delta Unisaw. Delta always impowered me
to take care of the customer. I am sure the Delta Unisaw would give
you years of good service. In my opinion I believe the Unisaw is
still the best value and is the foundation of how other saws are
judged. Good luck and happy woodworking to you.
Mike

LRod wrote:
Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light.

I'm sure someone will prove me wrong but I don't ever
remember referring to it as a Unisaw Light. I have though
referred to it as a WantsaBeAUnisaw or/and a
Contractor'sSawInnaBox.

There is a saw that has been referred to by me as the Baby
Unisaw or the Junior Unisaw but the WBAU/CSIAB isn't that
saw.

It's not worth $1200, even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.

Ditto what ElRod said. Also, the WBAU/CSIAB isn't even
worth $600.

UA100

Note the 3 belt. The Unisaw Lite uses, IIRC, 2 belts.
Charlie Self


Yah'but, I don't trust anyone's description of a machine
unless I'm there when he/she's describing it.

I can't tell you the number of times...

UA100

OR for a couple hundred LESS you can get a new Grizzly cabinet saw with warrenty.
Dave Hall



Be still my beating heart.

UA100

don't tease me.

dave

Unisaw A100 wrote:

OR for a couple hundred LESS you can get a new Grizzly cabinet saw with warrenty.
Dave Hall




Be still my beating heart.

UA100

"Kirk E. Dobihal" wrote in
:

I'm in the market for the purchase of a cabinet saw. Last summer I
burned up a ryobi direct drive milling cypress for a deck. I promised
myself, never again direct drive. I have a chance at a used Delta
cabinet saw, 3h, 3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes rollers
and extended table wings. $1200 In that new ones are around 1500, my
thinking is I am not getting that much of a break. Anybody out there
have any opinions on this or advice on cabinet saws in general.


Well, there's buying used, and then there's buying through a good local
dealer.

There's a time and a season for both, as well as other, options.

What Mike at American Sycamore said about the dealer's role weighed heavily
in my decision, because I just wanted to buy a good tool, and get on with
woodworking. Peace of mind and convenience was worth the markup the dealer
earned, and has earned several times again, on a major tool purchase.

That having been said, I did time my purchases to match up with the
manufacturer-sponsored 10% off days. But I'm a part-time 'wood artist',
not a full time professional, and can wait for a new toy to arrive. Other
parts of my life are less patient.

BTW, I paid $1700 for the Unisaw left tilt, with mobile base, a passable
blade, 52" Bies fence, in the back of my pickup truck. That number
includes the 8.25% premium we pay for the privilege of living in the San
Francisco Bay Area. 15 months ago, or so. I'd do it again, without
hesitation.

On the other hand, one of my woodworker friends who scouts for old tools
has his eye out for a good deal on a better quality, 6" or 8" jointer,
used.

Patriarch,
who remembers that consistency is supposed to be the hobgoblin of something
or other....

I love my Jet JTAS left tilt cabinet. Not a single problem with the
saw. Works great. I added the biesmyer snap in splitter, zero
clearance throat plate and now couldnt be happier. If I had to
complain at all, and it is minor, its that the fence HDDP (or whatever
that plastic stuff is) is not completely flat. Using the ts aligner it
shows a fluctuation by about .0002 or so. Not much but its there


Kirk E. Dobihal wrote:

I'm in the market for the purchase of a cabinet saw. Last summer I
burned up a ryobi direct drive milling cypress for a deck. I
promised myself, never again direct drive. I have a chance at a used
Delta cabinet saw, 3h, 3 belt, 220v with Beismeyer Fence. Includes
rollers and extended table wings. $1200 In that new ones are around
1500, my thinking is I am not getting that much of a break. Anybody
out there have any opinions on this or advice on cabinet saws in
general.

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:38:11 GMT, "mttt"
wrote:


"LRod" wrote in message
.. .



Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.


Is this the "Lite" version:
http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=4835 ?
And:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...387547-6100946

It's almost $1200 from Amazon. (The Unifence version, 36-731, is $1250)
Delta's website does not call it a Unisaw.

Kind of looks like it. I haven't looked at one in years, ever since I
found out what it really was. I can't believe they have it priced that
high.


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General 650 would be my choice. US made Baldar motor, massive
trunnions - much larger than Delta, and made in Canada. I've now been
told mine will be in 'the middle of next week' for three weeks.
Beginning to lose my patience, but if you ever put your eyes and hands
on one I think you would agree it's worth the wait. Also - a silly
thing but I love the fact that they put a real door on the side
instead of a cheesy plastic kind.

I've put a ridiculous amount of time into researching the saw I want,
figuring, someday my son will have it. I went to Muncy and looked at
the Grizzly's (totally unimpressed and a long drive), spoke to the
reps for Powermatic (over-priced), Jet (made in Taiwan) and Delta
(Nice saw and available, X5 is a great value) at a local tool show.
When I got a chance to see the General in person, I was sold
immediately. Fit and finish is beautiful. Roughly the same price as
the Delta, but much more substantial than the Delta.

A distributor for Powermatic told me they have risen their prices on
all models effective April or May by $200, making the Powermatic that
much more uncompetitive. Generals have won two recent table saw
shootouts - one in the contractor size and one in the cabinet size
creating a demand General appears to be having trouble keeping up
with. Oh well, - mine 'should be in the middle of next week.

I've posted this previously, but if anyone wants a copy of Wood
magazine's article from the October '03 issue with the cabinet saw
shootout in a .pdf (Acrobat) file, drop me an email.


$.02, please.

"LRod" wrote in message
...



Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.


Is this the "Lite" version:
http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=4835 ?
And:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...387547-6100946

It's almost $1200 from Amazon. (The Unifence version, 36-731, is $1250)
Delta's website does not call it a Unisaw.

"MN Guy" wrote in message
General 650 would be my choice. US made Baldar motor, massive
trunnions - much larger than Delta, and made in Canada. I've now been
told mine will be in 'the middle of next week' for three weeks.
Beginning to lose my patience, but if you ever put your eyes and hands
on one I think you would agree it's worth the wait. Also - a silly
thing but I love the fact that they put a real door on the side
instead of a cheesy plastic kind.

You've chosen well, IMO. In the current market place, and were I in the
market again, I would do the same.

That said, my Unisaw does what it is supposed to do and does it well despite
the plastic free choice dog chow bowl dust/motor cover. I mean, after all,
it has a place to hold not one, but two, count'em - TWO, miter gages built
right into that sucker ... surely that makes up a bit for the "value
engineering", doesn't it?

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"MN Guy" wrote in message
General 650 would be my choice. US made Baldar motor, massive
trunnions - much larger than Delta, and made in Canada. I've now been
told mine will be in 'the middle of next week' for three weeks.
Beginning to lose my patience, but if you ever put your eyes and hands
on one I think you would agree it's worth the wait. Also - a silly
thing but I love the fact that they put a real door on the side
instead of a cheesy plastic kind.

You've chosen well, IMO. In the current market place, and were I in the
market again, I would do the same.

That said, my Unisaw does what it is supposed to do and does it well despite
the plastic free choice dog chow bowl dust/motor cover. I mean, after all,
it has a place to hold not one, but two, count'em - TWO, miter gages built
right into that sucker ... surely that makes up a bit for the "value
engineering", doesn't it?

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It's not a contractor saw in a cabinet. Check the specs- it's a 3 hp 220/
only motor. It simply isn't called a Unisaw and I'm not sure why - probably
because it's made in Taiwan to compete with the lower end cabinets in the
marketplace.

Don

LRod wrote in message
...
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:38:11 GMT, "mttt"
wrote:


"LRod" wrote in message
.. .



Most everyone will leap to the conclusion that a Delta cabinet saw
you're refering to is a Unisaw. And it may be. Delta, however, does
(did) make a "Tilting Arbor" saw that is really a contractors saw in a
cabinet. Keeter refers to it as Unisaw Light. It's not worth $1200,
even new. Make sure this isn't one of them.


Is this the "Lite" version:
http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=4835 ?
And:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...31464/sr%3D11-
1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-7387547-6100946

It's almost $1200 from Amazon. (The Unifence version, 36-731, is $1250)
Delta's website does not call it a Unisaw.

Kind of looks like it. I haven't looked at one in years, ever since I
found out what it really was. I can't believe they have it priced that
high.


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On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:56:03 +0100, LRod
wrote:

Kind of looks like it. I haven't looked at one in years, ever since I
found out what it really was. I can't believe they have it priced that
high.


FWIW, it's NOT a contractor saw in a box. It's closer to a Unisaw
than a contractor saw. It's got a 3HP motor, and enclosed base w/
dust collection, and two belts vs. the Uni's three and a contractor's
saw's one..

It's hard to tell if this saw has trunion adjustments of a Uni, or
contractor style. I'll bet that it's got the fit and finish of a
Grizz. I'd love to see one in person, but no local dealers have one.

Me thinks this is aimed at other imports like the Jet and Grizzly. It
gives a dealer ammo if the customer says "I can get a cabinet saw for
$1200, or a Jet for $1500 with a router and lift."

Barry

On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 13:18:32 -0500, "V.E. Dorn"
wrote:

It's not a contractor saw in a cabinet. Check the specs- it's a 3 hp 220/
only motor.

That doesn't make it not a contractor saw. Now I don't know this for a
fact, but when the discussion has come up before it was described as
having trunnions that hang from the top (ala contractor saw) as
opposed to the trunnions attached to the base and the table bolted
onto the trunnions. That's the genesis of my "contractor saw in a
cabinet" apellation.

They can put any motor they want on a contractors saw. Granted, it
might be a little less useful to those contractors using them in the
field without easy access to 220, but that's not its defining
characteristic.

It simply isn't called a Unisaw and I'm not sure why...

Because it isn't a Unisaw. It's not like a Unisaw except for those
three diamonds on it and the big handles. Even the fence is different
(although you can get it with a UniFence, as previously noted by
another poster).


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mttt wrote:
Is this the "Lite" version:
http://www.deltawoodworking.com/index.asp?e=136&p=4835 ?
And:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...387547-6100946



No. That saw is the Chiwanese cabinet saw that Delta
started to import into Kanada a couple of years back. Word
was that with the exchange rate your average Kanadian was
faced with buying a Unisaw or paying out a couple hunnert
dollars more for the General. It was a no brainer. Delta
stepped in with this machine to try and win back market
share.

Anyway, to make a long story short, they (Delta) have begun
to market the Chiwanisaw in the US.

The Contractor'sSawInnaBox/WanstaBeAUnisaw is this one.

http://www.tegstools.com/details.php?prodID=15612

This saw was dropped from the Delta line around the turn of
the century. It's now been dusted off and has re-debuted in
Kanada. It's only a matter of time before it re-finds it's
way into the lower 48.

And with the closing of the Tupelo plant it's only a matter
of time before the Unisaw gets dumped for the Chiwanisaw.

UA100

B a r r y wrote:
It's hard to tell if this saw has trunion adjustments of a Uni, or
contractor style.


Under the top the design is the same as found on the Unisaw.
The major departure is in the motor mount. For the
Chiwanisaw Delta did away with the proprietary motor mount
and uses a mount that takes standard frame (footed) motor.
They are also selling the saw with a removable arbor,
something you'll only see on the larger 12/14 saw. I'm
curious as to the what/where/why of this feature. With the
12/14 it was done to allow for different arbors to be used.
It's seems like a pricy feature but then I suppose the
children of S.E. Asia maybe aren't charging Delta too much
for it. It's also might be a selling point. And then it
might also be a feature to allow the sale of the saw in
Europe with a shorter arbor. It's a wonderment for sure.

Other parts may be different enough to not make them
interchangeable with the Unisaw but I wouldn't rule out a
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very close match.

Unisaw:
http://media.ptg-online.com/media/dm...51_CS4K151.pdf

Chiwanisaw:
http://media.ptg-online.com/media/dm...857_CS4Q6B.pdf

UA100

LRod writes:

They can put any motor they want on a contractors saw. Granted, it
might be a little less useful to those contractors using them in the
field without easy access to 220, but that's not its defining
characteristic.

Actually, most contractors don't want to deal with contractor's saws on a day
to day basis. Home in the garage, sure, but not on a job site. Job site saws
are what you and I call benchtop saws, for the most part. They weigh about 60
pounds or less, and I've heard carpenters bitch about them being too heavy, so
imagine how they feel about the new Ridgid TS3650, which spits on 300 pounds.
And most of the better job site saws now offer a wheeled stand that makes them
even easier to transport from job to job.

It simply isn't called a Unisaw and I'm not sure why...

Because it isn't a Unisaw. It's not like a Unisaw except for those
three diamonds on it and the big handles. Even the fence is different
(although you can get it with a UniFence, as previously noted by
another poster).

Actually, it is a lot like a Unisaw, except made in China or Taiwan. Fences do
not define Unisaws. The first Unisaw I owned had a Jet Lock fence. Ask Keith
about that one. Quickly removed in favor of an Excalibur, in my case.

And I do not believe you'll ever see a contractor's saw with 3 belts. The
hybrids go for the contractor's market share, with semi-enclosed bases, so I
can no longer say a contractor's saw has its motor hanging out the seat of its
pants, but most really do.

The trunnions attached to the table instead of the cabinet are only one
feature. Being a b*llbuster to adust compared to a Unisaw, or any other cabinet
saw, is another feature of contractor's saws.

Charlie Self
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the
people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." Thomas Jefferson

On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 21:48:13 GMT, Unisaw A100
wrote:

B a r r y wrote:
It's hard to tell if this saw has trunion adjustments of a Uni, or
contractor style.


Under the top the design is the same as found on the Unisaw.
The major departure is in the motor mount. For the
Chiwanisaw Delta did away with the proprietary motor mount
and uses a mount that takes standard frame (footed) motor.

sounds like a good feature for a guy who likes to tinker with
machines.



They are also selling the saw with a removable arbor,
something you'll only see on the larger 12/14 saw. I'm
curious as to the what/where/why of this feature. With the
12/14 it was done to allow for different arbors to be used.
It's seems like a pricy feature but then I suppose the
children of S.E. Asia maybe aren't charging Delta too much
for it. It's also might be a selling point. And then it
might also be a feature to allow the sale of the saw in
Europe with a shorter arbor. It's a wonderment for sure.

although I can't think of any immediate application for this feature,
I do like machinery that is easily adapted and modified.




Other parts may be different enough to not make them
interchangeable with the Unisaw but I wouldn't rule out a
very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very close match.


and ifchaiwanese build quality continues to climb while USA build
quality continues to decline this could wind up being a desireable
piece of machinery, somewhere down the road. considering the asian
attitudes towards propietary design, these features will likely be
adopted throughout the tablesaw making industry there and soon show up
in the grizzly and yorkcraft and woodtek models as well.

think we'll start seeing some lines of chaiwanese woodworking
machinery being marketed under their own names soon? it has happened
to some extent with the metalworking tool market- you can buy rongfu
mills and such now with the rongfu name on them as well as with more
western names.





Unisaw:
http://media.ptg-online.com/media/dm...51_CS4K151.pdf

Chiwanisaw:
http://media.ptg-online.com/media/dm...857_CS4Q6B.pdf

UA100

Bridger:
although I can't think of any immediate application for this feature,
I do like machinery that is easily adapted and modified.

With the 12/14 saw the arbors came in 1" and 1 1/14"
diameters as well as longer arbors that would take a 2" wide
dado. There were others but I don't have the paper in front
of me.

UA100

I just thought I would mention that I had a unisaw delivered a couple
of weeks ago and none of the trunions were broken, so it does happen.

I have not yet got the thing assembled (was away for a week) but fit
and finish appear to be perfectly OK for woodworking.

The Powermatic definitely has a better finish on the table, it is
mirror polished. Quite what advantage there is to mirror polishing is
beyond me. But it does look really cool. Ditto the blade guard looks
really impressive, but the transparent Delta guard is probably more
functional.

If I had realised that the short fence (30") powermatic was curently
available for about the same price as the unisaw I would probably have
gone for that instead. The unisaw comes with a free mobile base, the
powermatic is $100 more with a free tenoning jig. The powermatic is
smaller though and so I would not need the movable base.

Like how often do you use the extra 20" of rip fence capacity rather
than use a sled or the like? And if the fence turns out to be a
limitation you can always get a longer rail.

Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
Like how often do you use the extra 20" of rip fence capacity rather
than use a sled or the like? And if the fence turns out to be a
limitation you can always get a longer rail.


Can't say I use the extra rip capacity too often though when
it's needed it's nice to have it.

What I do like is being able to slide the fence far enough
aside to use a sled and not have to remove the fence and
having to find some place to park it.

UA100

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:32:47 -0500, Unisaw A100
wrote:


Can't say I use the extra rip capacity too often though when
it's needed it's nice to have it.

What I do like is being able to slide the fence far enough
aside to use a sled and not have to remove the fence and
having to find some place to park it.

UA100

One can also leave cut lists, jigs, clamps, tapes, stop blocks, miter
gauges, off cuts, safety gear, etc... on the other side of the fence.
G


Barry

B a r r y wrote:
One can also leave cut lists, jigs, clamps, tapes, stop blocks, miter
gauges, off cuts, safety gear, etc... on the other side of the fence.
G


Well hell, as long as we're mentioning...

There's all the other crap that accumulates like scraps from
past projects, last weekend's paper, wooddorking magazines
and... A'yup, I don't quite know what I'd do without the
extra real estate.

UA100

On 11 Apr 2004 10:36:28 -0700, (Phillip
Hallam-Baker) wrote:

|I just thought I would mention that I had a unisaw delivered a couple
|of weeks ago and none of the trunions were broken, so it does happen.

Mine came about 4 weeks ago. Don't see anything broken yet even
though the tilt indicator was red before we unloaded it from the back
of Woodcraft's PU truck and there was a hole in the carton on the
motor cover side. Two Woodcraft guys and my neighbor and I managed to
skid it to the floor on a pair of 4x4s. (No lift gate) They all left
and I managed to get it into the mobile base singlehandedly. Whew.
|
|I have not yet got the thing assembled (was away for a week)[snip]

Me neither. But I was away three weeks. A week ago I started
assembly and mounted the left extension table and determined that it
was unacceptably warped. With the extension flush at each end of the
table there is a 6 to 7 thousandths misalignment near the center and
the nearside left end of the extension droops about 0.020". My old
Craftsman was much better than this.

A quick call to my local Woodcraft and I'm supposed to be getting a
replacement shipped direct from Delta. Tomorrow will be one week. I
haven't even unboxed the rest of the stuff, except the laminate table
(it looks okay) since I need the extension to proceed.

This is the pits. I sold my Craftsman to my neighbor so I'm without a
saw.

I have a Leigh D4 still in the box too. I can't butcher any wood to
use to try it out. bummer

|
|The Powermatic definitely has a better finish on the table, it is
|mirror polished. Quite what advantage there is to mirror polishing is
|beyond me. But it does look really cool. Ditto the blade guard looks
|really impressive, but the transparent Delta guard is probably more
|functional.
|
|If I had realised that the short fence (30") powermatic was curently
|available for about the same price as the unisaw I would probably have
|gone for that instead. The unisaw comes with a free mobile base, the
|powermatic is $100 more with a free tenoning jig. The powermatic is
|smaller though and so I would not need the movable base.

But the short (30") fence Delta that I bought is even less money.

|
|Like how often do you use the extra 20" of rip fence capacity rather
|than use a sled or the like? And if the fence turns out to be a
|limitation you can always get a longer rail.

I figured that I wasn't going to be landing any F/A18s and I can't
imagine handling anything wider than a couple of feet and keeping it
tight to the fence anyway. The most I foresee doing is some cabinets
that are never more than 24" deep so I'm covered. And I still have
some room for my automobiles.

Wes