krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...

What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.

Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me. I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...

What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.

Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...
What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.


Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote:
krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare
essential utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for
a while during periods of transition between when the old house
was sold and the new one ready to take up residence. By the
time the second house was finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to
happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't
allow the size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along
those same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a
decent size shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably
twice that big) anywhere near the city...
What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary
to chide me), but he and I have been frequenting some of the same
groups for *years*, so *we* both knew what we were talking about.
I'll try to be clearer next time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.


Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags

ROV, Random Orbital Vibrators?

--
Froz...

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...
What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.


Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags

Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...
What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...
Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.

Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags

Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!

Pot, kettle.

You were being a douche, I called you on it. Big deal.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.

Is that why you were responding to my post?

For crying out loud, do I have to explain every little thing to you? Go
back and read the thread if you can't figure it out. I'm talking about
the conversation *before* you jumped in, when we had already changed
from "shed" to "outbuilding" to "shop" (hint: we're all woodworkers
here, right? It's shops we really want to talk about, not sheds).
Apparently you didn't notice (even after we practically beat you over
the head with it), and you continued to insist that we were talking
about sheds in a residential neighborhood. This is Usenet, and
conversations *do* change direction occasionally; please try to keep up.

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...

Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.

WFT? Why did I twice bother to even *try* to be polite to you? You're
the only who couldn't seem to follow the conversation, but rather than
admit the whole thing wooshed over your head you're telling me to answer
other people's posts (not yours!) more clearly so that THEY can
understand? Yeah, I'll get right on that...

--
Repeat after me:
"I am we Todd it. I am sofa king we Todd it."
To reply, eat the taco.
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On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:39:44 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:09:08 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:29:37 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:06:24 -0500, Steve Turner
wrote:

krw wrote:
On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:14:42 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

krw wrote:
Absolutely. My parents did it that way (twice), putting bare essential
utilities in the shop and actually *living* in it for a while during
periods of transition between when the old house was sold and the new
one ready to take up residence. By the time the second house was
finished it was completely paid for.
If you think busybody neighbors get up in arms over a shed that's a
little too big, try taking up residence in one. Not going to happen,
these days.
The neighborhoods that would take exception to that wouldn't allow the
size I'd build, in the first place.
Most *cities* will take exception to it.

We're talking 16x20, minimum.
Size isn't the issue.
Maybe you've never lived there, but I'm talking about "out in the
country", not in the city (and I presume Mike is thinking along those
same lines). I would never *want* to build a house with a decent size
shop (and *I'm* talking 28x40, minimum; preferably twice that big)
anywhere near the city...
What are you talking about? We were talking about living in an out
building while building a house.
Who's "we"? The conversation was between Mike and me.
Is that why you were responding to my post?

I'm sorry it was
a bit unclear to you (and that you felt it necessary to chide me), but
he and I have been frequenting some of the same groups for *years*, so
*we* both knew what we were talking about. I'll try to be clearer next
time...
Then answer his posts next time, hopefully with something more clearly
organized.

Hey buddy, here's a newsgroup for you...

rec.tool.douchebags

Wow, such intelligence. Who wudda thought!

Pot, kettle.

You were being a douche, I called you on it. Big deal.

With such intelligence that you're proud, too.

In article ,
wrote:
I am going to build a storage shed. I've got more
than enough plans and ideas but one.

I want to build a shed with a low pitched roof. I don't
want a roof higher than about 15" +/- above the door.
It will be either a 8x10 or 8x12 shed.

Is there a "common' aesthetic when it comes to roofs
for sheds?

No. grin

That said, out-buildings tend to 'look funny' if they are taller than their
widest dimension.

I've seen many a plan where the roof is way
above the door (it seems like wasted space to me) and
others where there is barely a sense of a pitch.

The shed plan is a standard gable style.

Ideas? Thoughts?

It depends on locale.

As with house roofs, if you're looking at snow loads measured in feet,
the requirements are far different than if you're just shedding water.

The simplest guideline is 'make it high enough to store the tallest thing
you'll put in the shed'.

Some people like to store stuff -- either 'long', or 'bulky but lightweight'
types -- "overhead". This calls for a higher roofline than if everything
will sit on the floor, or shelves.

If you're using shelving, consider where the top shelf will be, and how much
clearance you'll have between there and the roof.

On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:37:55 -0500, the infamous -MIKE-
scrawled the following:

Steve Turner wrote:
I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
neighborhood?


I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
outbuilding, first, then the house.

That's how one of the wreck.metalheads did it. Harold had his 3-car
garage built (complete with metalshop space and HVAC) and he and his
wife moved into that. They've lived in it for years now, as they build
the main house.

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than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
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On Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:37:55 -0500, the infamous -MIKE-
scrawled the following:

Steve Turner wrote:
I've long wondered why none of these builders have ever thought to
incorporate a good quality shed on a slab (with electricity) straight
into the overall plan for the subdivision. Everybody needs a shed;
wouldn't it be a good selling point to have a well-designed,
top-quality, aesthetically pleasing shed for every house in the
neighborhood?


I don't know about them but if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
outbuilding, first, then the house.

That's how one of the wreck.metalheads did it. Harold had his 3-car
garage built (complete with metalshop space and HVAC) and he and his
wife moved into that. They've lived in it for years now, as they build
the main house.

--
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free
than Christianity has made them good." --H. L. Mencken
---

if I ever build again, I'm starting with an
outbuilding, first, then the house.

We built our detached 24'x28' two car garage a year or so before we built
our house. It offered many benefits including a place to store tools and
materials, a place to work on projects like cabinets, and a place we could
still be working on things even if it was raining outside.

We lived in a single wide mobile on the property while we built our home,
but are very thankful we built the garage first.

Anthony