went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side trip after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149. both have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

WARRENRN1 wrote:

snip

and was looking at dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149. both have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

Regardless of which one you go with - DITCH THE STOCK BAGS and get
the 1 micron bags or the cannister pleated filter - the bags are
a joke. With the stock bags the "dust collectors" should be
called "dust relocators" - taking dust from where it's being
generated to the environs of the "dust relocator".

I've got the delta and with 1 micron bags it still lets dust through
in very noticeable amounts.- and that's with a garbage can separator
in front of it. You might want to look into an air filter as well.
You can make your own using a furnace blower and the filters of
your choice. Big commercial truck filters have lots of surface
area packed in a small volume and they catch the really small
stuff.

Here's the url to the one I made
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/CBAirCleaner.html

charlie b

There was a recent thread about the Harbor Freight dust collector. Everyone
that had one was satisfied with it. It apears to be a lot more collector
than the Delta. It apparently can carry two 4" hoses connected. I have a
jet of similar size. I think two hoses are a big step up for getting both
the cabinet and above table parts of a table saw.

By the way, I have never owned a cloth filter unit. I read anecdotes about
the mess cleaning these. It also seems to be a common upgrade to replace
the 30 micron bag with a felt bag that has much greater filtering
efficiency. I have a jet collector with the cartridge filter. This had much
greater filter area and is very efficient. You can buy the cartridge as an
upgrade for many collectors.

Be prepared for initial disappointment with any dust collector. You may
have to spend time frittering with hoods, chutes, and gizmos to make the
collection on each of your machines work well. Just because it has a 4" dust
port doesn't mean that you can hook up and do a good job. My Jet Supersaw
has an enclosed cabinet and 4" port. It only began working moderately well
after I spent time to seal up the gaping holes around the tilt adjustment
and splitter attachment. I've spent three months prototyping all kinds of
approaches to capture the dust above the table. Its been highly frustrating.
I originally viewed my $500 jet collector as a giant boat anchor. I think
I'm on the last leg of prototypes and the results are very, very
encouraging, but its been a long road.

Bob


"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149. both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

"charlie b" wrote in message
...


WARRENRN1 wrote:

Here's the url to the one I made
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/CBAirCleaner.html


A two bedroom house with a four car garage?!?
Man o' man - I like those priorities!

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:02:27 -0800, charlie b
wrote:

Regardless of which one you go with - DITCH THE STOCK BAGS and get
the 1 micron bags...
You can make your own using a furnace blower and the filters of
your choice...
Here's the url to the one I made
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/CBAirCleaner.html

Been meaning to ask you Charlie, how often do you have to disassemble
that thing and bang out the filters? Does the bulkhead assembly
configuration for attaching all the filters make that a tedious
process? Looking forward, (as always), to swiping another of your
great ideas. Youdaman.

Michael

Put it outside and don't worry about the bag quality.
Wilson
"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149. both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

This is a great example of an informative post.. Thanks Bob Davis!

Dennis Slabaugh, Hobbyist Woodworker
www.woodworkinghobby.com



"Bob Davis" wrote in message
ink.net...
There was a recent thread about the Harbor Freight dust collector.
Everyone
that had one was satisfied with it. It apears to be a lot more collector
than the Delta. It apparently can carry two 4" hoses connected. I have a
jet of similar size. I think two hoses are a big step up for getting both
the cabinet and above table parts of a table saw.

By the way, I have never owned a cloth filter unit. I read anecdotes about
the mess cleaning these. It also seems to be a common upgrade to replace
the 30 micron bag with a felt bag that has much greater filtering
efficiency. I have a jet collector with the cartridge filter. This had
much
greater filter area and is very efficient. You can buy the cartridge as an
upgrade for many collectors.

Be prepared for initial disappointment with any dust collector. You may
have to spend time frittering with hoods, chutes, and gizmos to make the
collection on each of your machines work well. Just because it has a 4"
dust
port doesn't mean that you can hook up and do a good job. My Jet Supersaw
has an enclosed cabinet and 4" port. It only began working moderately well
after I spent time to seal up the gaping holes around the tilt adjustment
and splitter attachment. I've spent three months prototyping all kinds of
approaches to capture the dust above the table. Its been highly
frustrating.
I originally viewed my $500 jet collector as a giant boat anchor. I think
I'm on the last leg of prototypes and the results are very, very
encouraging, but its been a long road.

Bob


"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side
trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at
dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149.
both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

Ok, now that we're on this subject, I've got a question or ten. I've got a
REALLY small shop built onto the garage, 10' X 26' X 7.5' to be exact. Right
now I've got the 2" plastic pipe ran around the walls with flex hose and
blast gates to the equipment. I have a shopvac attached to it that is
sitting in the garage. I can't hear it, see it, or smell it. I have my
bigger stuff, jointer, and planer, on the side of the garage LOML don't park
her Explorer in, with a Ridgid DC hooked to them.That part works fine, what
I'm wondering is, would I be better off putting a DC in the place of the
shopvac or if I did that, would I need to run 4" pipe in the shop also? All
the stuff I have in the shop has 2" fittings on them, with the exception of
the router and sanders. They're duct taped and retro fitted!!! Thanks!!!!


--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Wilson Lamb" wrote in message
ink.net...
Put it outside and don't worry about the bag quality.
Wilson
"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side
trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at
dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149.
both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

I've had the AP-400 for about 5 days now. 15 feet of hose with a 4 inch
universal adapter for my TS and planer and a 4 inch to 2.5 inch adapter for
the BS and RT. Works really well and has plenty of power for one tool at a
time. The 15 foot hose lets me leave the unit in one place and just move the
hose from tool to tool. I'll add the 1 micron bags in a couple of weeks.

My eyes and nose, despite using a mask, were really suffering with no DC.
But now, WOW, what a big difference with the DC.

Two thumbs up for the AP-400!

Kevin B.



"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149. both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

Michael Baglio

Been meaning to ask you Charlie, how often do you have to disassemble
that thing and bang out the filters? Does the bulkhead assembly
configuration for attaching all the filters make that a tedious
process?


Unlike the "dust collector" which sucks up chips, curlies, small
screws, little animals etc.. an air filter doesn't goes after just
the little floating stuff. The "solids" volume is very small so
it takes a while to load these filters up. They're wing-nutted
to the bulkhead so they come out fairly easily. Were I to make
another I thing I'd have the bulkhead slide in from the top so
it and all the filters could be slid out and blown out - outside
of coursee.

charlie b

Jerry,

I really cannot offer intelligent comment on your situation, but I can
possibly pass on some of my own experience regarding piping. I operate in a
3 car garage type space. I went from nothing to a 2 HP collector with a
couple of flex hoses. I'm getting a lot less dust and I'm not where I think
I can be. I just two days ago put together a jury rig for collection of
dust off the table saw top and it worked really, really well. I think I'm
going to stick with it. So now I can focus my time on getting rid of my
flex hoses across the floor.

I've read and re-read and researched options for the piping for a dust
collection network. Part of my frustration was reading about good stuff but
not being able to find it locally or on the internet. There was this rumor
that S&D (Sewer and Drain) PVC piping was very cost effective, but I could
not find any fittings for it. I was almost resigned to buying the pipe, some
flex hose, and "official dust collection" fittings from my dealer. Then I
discovered the fittings at my Local Lowe's. I swear they just started
carrying this stuff. I've walked those aisles so many times, I can tell you
the cracks in the concrete.

Anyway, here's the prices I paid for pipe and fittings

10 foot x 4" diameter pipe $4.97
4" Long radius 90 degree ell $1.60
4" "Y" fitting $2.67
4" 45 degree ell $1.16
4" pipe hanger $0.90 (I'm using one every 4 feet of pipe).

The most expensive part is putting a short piece of 4" flex hose at each
connection. To adapt the S&D pipe to the flex hose, I'm using a standard 4"
PVC dust collection splicer. Three wraps of duct tape on the end and it fits
snugly inside the S&D pipe. The splicer costs $4.95 each. The hose is about
$2.00/foot.

Bob


"Jerry Gilreath" wrote in message
news:9KzYb.52386$jk2.157898@attbi_s53...
Ok, now that we're on this subject, I've got a question or ten. I've got a
REALLY small shop built onto the garage, 10' X 26' X 7.5' to be exact.
Right
now I've got the 2" plastic pipe ran around the walls with flex hose and
blast gates to the equipment. I have a shopvac attached to it that is
sitting in the garage. I can't hear it, see it, or smell it. I have my
bigger stuff, jointer, and planer, on the side of the garage LOML don't
park
her Explorer in, with a Ridgid DC hooked to them.That part works fine,
what
I'm wondering is, would I be better off putting a DC in the place of the
shopvac or if I did that, would I need to run 4" pipe in the shop also?
All
the stuff I have in the shop has 2" fittings on them, with the exception
of
the router and sanders. They're duct taped and retro fitted!!! Thanks!!!!


--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Wilson Lamb" wrote in message
ink.net...
Put it outside and don't worry about the bag quality.
Wilson
"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...
went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side
trip
after
we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at
dust
collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the
delta...
the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the
sales
guys
that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust
collectors
included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149.
both
have
30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i
am
not
going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach
it
to the
machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is
only
for feb
19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will
honor
the
price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

Bob,

I agree with you there are some very good way to cut costs and I have
been using 4" heating duct and fittings and they have all worked very
well. On one of my runs I have a 12' length of strengthened pipe (I
forget the name) with a band twisted around it and it was about 4 x the
cost of regular piping. Although I have had no problem with the regular
pipe I would probably use the former if I were to do it again.
Acturally the increased cost isn't prohibitive.

Also, one of the best pieces of advice I received was to ignore the
jointer and just put a bucket or box under it to collect the chips. I'm
sure many will disagree but almost all of the "sawdust" from a jointer
is not the fine stuff that is bad for the lungs. I am well aware that
breathing fine sawdust is not healthy, I think there is a compromise
where we accept that there will be sawdust around any shop, at least if
its being used for woodworking.

Cheers,

Glen Duff
============

Bob Davis wrote:

Jerry,

I really cannot offer intelligent comment on your situation, but I can
possibly pass on some of my own experience regarding piping. I operate in a
3 car garage type space. I went from nothing to a 2 HP collector with a
couple of flex hoses. I'm getting a lot less dust and I'm not where I think
I can be. I just two days ago put together a jury rig for collection of
dust off the table saw top and it worked really, really well. I think I'm
going to stick with it. So now I can focus my time on getting rid of my
flex hoses across the floor.

I've read and re-read and researched options for the piping for a dust
collection network. Part of my frustration was reading about good stuff but
not being able to find it locally or on the internet. There was this rumor
that S&D (Sewer and Drain) PVC piping was very cost effective, but I could
not find any fittings for it. I was almost resigned to buying the pipe, some
flex hose, and "official dust collection" fittings from my dealer. Then I
discovered the fittings at my Local Lowe's. I swear they just started
carrying this stuff. I've walked those aisles so many times, I can tell you
the cracks in the concrete.

Anyway, here's the prices I paid for pipe and fittings

10 foot x 4" diameter pipe $4.97
4" Long radius 90 degree ell $1.60
4" "Y" fitting $2.67
4" 45 degree ell $1.16
4" pipe hanger $0.90 (I'm using one every 4 feet of pipe).

The most expensive part is putting a short piece of 4" flex hose at each
connection. To adapt the S&D pipe to the flex hose, I'm using a standard 4"
PVC dust collection splicer. Three wraps of duct tape on the end and it fits
snugly inside the S&D pipe. The splicer costs $4.95 each. The hose is about
$2.00/foot.

Bob


"Jerry Gilreath" wrote in message
news:9KzYb.52386$jk2.157898@attbi_s53...

Ok, now that we're on this subject, I've got a question or ten. I've got a
REALLY small shop built onto the garage, 10' X 26' X 7.5' to be exact.

Right

now I've got the 2" plastic pipe ran around the walls with flex hose and
blast gates to the equipment. I have a shopvac attached to it that is
sitting in the garage. I can't hear it, see it, or smell it. I have my
bigger stuff, jointer, and planer, on the side of the garage LOML don't

park

her Explorer in, with a Ridgid DC hooked to them.That part works fine,

what

I'm wondering is, would I be better off putting a DC in the place of the
shopvac or if I did that, would I need to run 4" pipe in the shop also?

All

the stuff I have in the shop has 2" fittings on them, with the exception

of

the router and sanders. They're duct taped and retro fitted!!! Thanks!!!!


--
"Cartoons don't have any deep meaning.
They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
Homer Simpson
Jerry© The Phoneman®
"Wilson Lamb" wrote in message
hlink.net...

Put it outside and don't worry about the bag quality.
Wilson
"WARRENRN1" wrote in message
...

went to woodcraft over valentine's day weekend.....ok, it was a side

trip

after

we went to some needlepoint shop for my wife..... and was looking at

dust

collectors. looked at the jet and the delta. am leaning towards the

delta...

the smaller 2 bag unit going for $159. i was told by one of the

sales

guys

that delta is having a 10% off sale on all their power tools (dust

collectors

included) this thursday... feb 19.
i have seen an ad for the harbor freight collector on sale for $149.

both

have

30 micron upper bags.
asking for opinions about how each work...compared to one another. i

am

not

going to set a collections system thruout the shop, but rather attach

it

to the

machine i am working with at the time.
any help in determining would be appreciative. BTW.. the sale is

only

for feb

19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order, they will

honor

the

price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

I think we all strive to going from "candi-coated with dust" to "lightly
dusted".

Bob

"Glen Duff" wrote in message
...
I think there is a compromise
where we accept that there will be sawdust around any shop, at least if
its being used for woodworking.

Cheers,

Glen Duff

(WARRENRN1) wrote in
:

snippage BTW.. the sale is
only for feb 19. and if woodcraft is out of stock or on vback order,
they will honor the price change.
so says the sales guy at woodcraft.

Today's snail mail brought a Woodcraft postcard indicating "10% off
EVERYTHING, Plane & Simple", for Thursday, 26 February.

I live in the SF East Bay Area, and shop at the store in Dublin, CA. There
is a store code of BB, and a coupon code of 21892. The card indicates
"Stores * Catalog * Internet", and offers 1-800-225-1153

A LT Unisaw w/52" Bies, and a Delta 16" DP followed me home after similar
offers last year. The store folks are/were pretty good about working
things out, and ordering what isn't in stock....

Patriarch
who is determined to let the credit card rest a bit....

I appreciate your comments. Your air cleaner is ingeniuous and what a fine
job of documenting it.

The more I read about bags (never owned one), the more impressed I am with
the Jet collector with big 'ol cartridge filter. Maybe I don't generate as
much sawdust as most people. But the dust around the collector is almost
imperceptable. I just reach over and give the "cartridge beater" handles a
couple of spins at the end of the day. Big clumps of fine cake come
cascading down into the plastic collection sack.

Bob

"charlie b" wrote in message
...
WARRENRN1 wrote:

snip

I've got the delta and with 1 micron bags it still lets dust through
in very noticeable amounts.- and that's with a garbage can separator
in front of it. You might want to look into an air filter as well.
You can make your own using a furnace blower and the filters of
your choice. Big commercial truck filters have lots of surface
area packed in a small volume and they catch the really small
stuff.

Here's the url to the one I made
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/CBAirCleaner.html