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Sketchup grief
So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged
cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a relaxing one so far. |
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"MikeWhy" wrote in message ... So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a relaxing one so far. For what it is worth I just imported a jpg image of a customers back yard and I tried using the straight line tool to trace the windows and the freehand tool to trace the curvy plastic lawn chairs. No problems. I am going to have to say that this is the first time I have heard of this problem. I would suggest looking into a forum to see if any one else is having this problem and specifically what kind of computer they are using. Or reboot and see if that solves your problem. I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. |
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On Mar 22, 11:23*am, "Leon" wrote:
I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. *Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. |
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"Robatoy" wrote ... "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her Win 3.11 "solitaire playing" box. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Mar 22, 1:07*pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote ... *"Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. *Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her Win 3..11 "solitaire playing" box. --www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) That'd be just about as much fun. |
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"Swingman" wrote in
: "Robatoy" wrote ... "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. Good to know ... I'll tell Mom that she's good to go with SU on her Win 3.11 "solitaire playing" box. Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably Windows 95. Puckdropper -- On Usenet, no one can hear you laugh. That's a good thing, though, as some writers are incorrigible. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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"Puckdropper" wrote Actually... That was Paintbrush in Win 3.1 (and WFW3.11). I don't remember when they changed the name to just Paint, but it was probably Windows 95. Actually, it was MS Paint in Win 1.0. .... and referred to as such thereafter, if not officially named. A rose by any other name ... -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. Which begs the question can the OP run MS Paint with out his computer having the same problem. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. Perhaps your computer is not totally suited for this particular piece of software. If it runs MS Paint, then it should be able to run SU. Interesting. My XP *won't* run "Paint". It locks up the machine every time. Goofy. My PC guy wouldn't believe it until I had the unit to him for a new HDD and I asked him about. He felt sure that it was the defective HDD messing with Paint but it's no better with the new drive. He has pronounced Paint as corrupt and for some bench time he will do a re-install. I'd spring at the offer if I hadn't been out of work since Dec 08. Bum ticker! |
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On Mar 22, 11:23*am, "Leon" wrote:
I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. * But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? |
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On Mar 22, 2:01*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Mar 22, 11:23*am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. * But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? Okay, okay, this is too much fun already. I ain't going to pursue this low-hanging fruit any longer. ......not this time r |
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"Robatoy" wrote
.... (last post) The only two positive words in the English language that make up a negative: "Yeah, right!" -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Sketchup grief (last post)
On Mar 22, 3:38*pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote .... (last post) The only two positive words in the English language that make up a negative: "Yeah, right!" Weak, really really weak. *haughty sniff* |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? Perhaps you have only managed to "doodle' with it but I have learned to get past that learning disability commonly referred to as denial. It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame the least likely variable. CAD programs and even some simple card game programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. The video card for one should be a better than average consideration. I am starting to see why you may be inteminidated and or not able to get SU to do what you need it to do. ;~) |
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On Mar 22, 2:29*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? Perhaps you have only managed to "doodle' with it but I have learned to get past that learning disability commonly referred to as denial. It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame the least likely variable. * *CAD programs and even some simple card game programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. *The video card for one should be a better than average consideration. I am starting to see why you may be inteminidated and or not able to get SU to do what you need it to do. *;~) Weak, Leon. Weak. |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" wrote: "Robatoy" wrote in message news:ae13869f-85b8-4285 Weak, Leon. Weak. You took this long to come up with that response??? ;~) |
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On Mar 22, 2:29*pm, "Leon" wrote:
"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? "doodle' THIS is a Doodle. http://retrieverman.files.wordpress....pg?w=356&h=445 |
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"Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 2:29 pm, "Leon" wrote: "Robatoy" wrote in message ... On Mar 22, 11:23 am, "Leon" wrote: I know that some CAD programs like AutoCAD have specific processor brand requirements/suggestions. But, but, but I thought we agreed that SU wasn't CAD but more like a Doodle program? "doodle' THIS is a Doodle. http://retrieverman.files.wordpress....pg?w=356&h=445 Hey that looks like a Dandy Doodle. ;~) |
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"Leon" wrote in message
... It was simply a suggestion of a direction to look into rather than blame the least likely variable. CAD programs and even some simple card game programs recommend minimal requirements for acceptable performance. The video card for one should be a better than average consideration. Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to date drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's TeraBytes) of local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without getting into words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll just point out that SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications that run without difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I know quite a bit about software and failures. It's an absolute certainty that the fault lies in SU alone. Anyway... I really didn't expect discussion. I was just ****ed enough to share my momentary frustration with you (and a few others here) publicly. PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous" panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to scroll and zoom. |
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"MikeWhy" wrote in message ... Since it matters to the discussion, it's an Nvidia 8800 GTS with up to date drivers. The box is a quad 2.8 GHz, 2 GB, and 2.4 TB (that's TeraBytes) of local storage. Very few boxes are bigger or faster. Without getting into words like "denial", in response to "least likely", I'll just point out that SU is tiny and trivial compared to other applications that run without difficulty for as much as 16 hours a day, each day. I know quite a bit about software and failures. It's an absolute certainty that the fault lies in SU alone. Ok, I am not trying to put down your machine. although 2.3 TB does not help one way or another. While 2.8GHz is not slow, my 6 year old Dell runs at 2.6. Yes you have a quad but SU only uses "1" processor so it really does not perform any better on quad than a duo or single. Your RAM is what SU actually recomends. I am only trying to help out. But any way, ;~) I had no problems using my computer to do what you were describing so there has to be something unique about your set up that may be upsetting the apple cart. Big and Bad does not insure that every thing plays well together with all applications. Yes you have no other problem with any other applications but now you have an application that is not working correctly. Applications running long periods with out a problem is what I expect. Many of my applocations run for days on end and I have a hard drive that has not been turned off since late September. I'll take your word that you know quite a bit about software and failures. I seriousely doubt that the fault lies in SU alone but you may have found the bug that no one has run across and reported here. I personally am pretty quick to find bugs in software. I don't know if that is a good thing or not but I have received quite a few relatively expensive pieces of software for free with no time limits for pointing out numerous bugs right after they had been beta tested and released for sale. Anyway... I really didn't expect discussion. I was just ****ed enough to share my momentary frustration with you (and a few others here) publicly. Again I was only trying to help but your opening lines sounded to me like you were looking for answers. PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous" panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to scroll and zoom. Cool! How is that thing working out for you discounting today's adventure. I mave been considering one per your recomendation however I wonder if I would gain much versitility from it. I only use thum style track balls and I get around SU and AutoCAD pretty quickly and effortlessly already. If I were using a mouse I would probably already own the Space Navigator. No come to think of it I have had s strange situation pop up now and then using SU, have you seen this happen? Occasionallay when zooming or panning part om my drawing will disappear like I cut a section away. Rotating, panning or zooming will not correct the problem. The permanent correction is to zoom extents and then go back to where I was when part of the drawing diasppeared. |
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"MikeWhy" wrote
PS: I tried it again just now, and had no problems. The best I can figure is the crash is related to the Space Navigator puck, whether directly in its interface modules to SU, or in SU as a result of the more "vigorous" panning, zooming, and rotation. It didn't crash using only the mouse to scroll and zoom. Did you try the new driver from 3D connexion? Here is a thread, and blurb from 3D connexion, that may give you some clues as to a solution. http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us watch the wrap http://www.3dconnexion.com/news/pres...8_sketchup.php -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Sketchup grief ... or computer grief?
"MikeWhy"
So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a relaxing one so far. Look first to your computer .... too many millions using the program with no similar problem to put the blame elsewhere but locally. A hardware problem, most likely in your graphics subsystem? Got the latest drivers for your video card? That said, as with every version change there are bugs to be squashed. There has been a recent update, so make sure you have it before proceeding with other troubleshooting. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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Sketchup grief ... or computer grief?
"Swingman" wrote in message
... "MikeWhy" So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a relaxing one so far. Look first to your computer .... too many millions using the program with no similar problem to put the blame elsewhere but locally. A hardware problem, most likely in your graphics subsystem? Got the latest drivers for your video card? That said, as with every version change there are bugs to be squashed. There has been a recent update, so make sure you have it before proceeding with other troubleshooting. It's not a graphics driver issue. Drivers abort with blue screens, not application aborts. All the same, the graphics drivers were updated recently, just a few weeks ago, to support additional CUDA and PhysX features. There are no other issues of any kind with any other application. The SU website is a little odd. It doesn't list the version number or date of the latest update. I did check, but didn't find a version number, so I didn't update. As far as I could tell, it's the same version I already have. No worries. I got the job done some other way. It was just as well. I wanted to see if SW can unroll a lofted, developed surface to a flat shape. I'm building a 14 ft. lap straked sailboat this summer, and wanted to preview the planking. It works well enough for simple shapes. If you're interested in such things. |
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"MikeWhy" wrote in message ... "Swingman" wrote in message ... "MikeWhy" It's not a graphics driver issue. Drivers abort with blue screens, not application aborts. All the same, the graphics drivers were updated recently, just a few weeks ago, to support additional CUDA and PhysX features. There are no other issues of any kind with any other application. The SU website is a little odd. It doesn't list the version number or date of the latest update. I did check, but didn't find a version number, so I didn't update. As far as I could tell, it's the same version I already have. No worries. I got the job done some other way. It was just as well. I wanted to see if SW can unroll a lofted, developed surface to a flat shape. I'm building a 14 ft. lap straked sailboat this summer, and wanted to preview the planking. It works well enough for simple shapes. If you're interested in such things. It would be interesting to try the same thing on another computer with the same file. |
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On Mar 21, 7:26*pm, "MikeWhy" wrote:
So this is now official where I'll come with my SU gripes. Danged cheerleaders here need waking up. I picked up a little book on modeling a wooden sailboat. But it had little scale drawings you were supposed to trace, and doesn't have offset tables and line drawings. No problem. I scanned them and figured I would just trace them in SU, and make clean prints with fine lines I can cut. Damned if it doesn't meltdown and exit to the desktop every 3 minutes. I'm giving up. POS. My weekend has not been a relaxing one so far. Further proof that computers are no damned good! (Quote an IT management friend of mine) RonB |
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