Lew Hodgett wrote:
"dpb" wrote:

The application in consumer products was a different story as the
economics weren't the same.

I don't know whether you wish to consider the automotive alternator a
consumer product or not, but like the automotive radio, we can thank
Motorola for its existance..

For the alternator to be practical, a 3 phase rectifier bridge was
required.

Prior to the solid state rectifier, germanium was used, which was a
problem.

There simply is enough germanium to satisfy automotive production for
a year, thus pricing restricted it's use to police and emergency
vehicles.

When the solid state 25A, push in diode became available, it sold for
$100 + $1/PIV and you needed 100PIV.

Thus a solid state diode was $200 ea or $1,200/bridge.

Needless to say, those early diodes were guarded with great care by
engineering.

With that as the background, in walks Motorola to the big 3 with a
proposition:

You guarantee Motorola 10,000,000 units/year, we will build a plant
and sell diodes to you for $0.25 EACH.

Thus the automotive alternator became a reality.

Lew


Motorola sold their semiconductor division several years ago. It's
called Freescale Semiconductor.

"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

Motorola sold their semiconductor division several years ago. It's
called Freescale Semiconductor.

This was the 1955-1960 time period.

As usual, you can depend on Motorola to **** up a wet dream.

Lew

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:17:33 -0700, Doug Winterburn
wrote:

Lew Hodgett wrote:
"dpb" wrote:

The application in consumer products was a different story as the
economics weren't the same.

I don't know whether you wish to consider the automotive alternator a
consumer product or not, but like the automotive radio, we can thank
Motorola for its existance..

For the alternator to be practical, a 3 phase rectifier bridge was
required.

Prior to the solid state rectifier, germanium was used, which was a
problem.

There simply is enough germanium to satisfy automotive production for
a year, thus pricing restricted it's use to police and emergency
vehicles.

When the solid state 25A, push in diode became available, it sold for
$100 + $1/PIV and you needed 100PIV.

Thus a solid state diode was $200 ea or $1,200/bridge.

Needless to say, those early diodes were guarded with great care by
engineering.

With that as the background, in walks Motorola to the big 3 with a
proposition:

You guarantee Motorola 10,000,000 units/year, we will build a plant
and sell diodes to you for $0.25 EACH.

Thus the automotive alternator became a reality.

Lew


Motorola sold their semiconductor division several years ago. It's
called Freescale Semiconductor.


Motorola sold off everything they were good at to concentrate on the
highly competetive cellular phone market - one of their weakest
product lines.

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:24:26 GMT, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:

"Doug Winterburn" wrote:

Motorola sold their semiconductor division several years ago. It's
called Freescale Semiconductor.

This was the 1955-1960 time period.

As usual, you can depend on Motorola to **** up a wet dream.

Lew

And all the Freescale stuff is made in Thailand and China.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built in
America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on this
about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck. He
was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and
mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up
his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with Hyundai
and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were going to
open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their plants
out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to Canada and
Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because they're US
based corporations this is still considered "domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an assumption
you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has been
"lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the US consumer
electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not jumping on the solid
state bandwagon when transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

I don't blame that
Japanese for that at all--they were working hard at coming up with
innovative new products while the US consumer electronics industry was
stagnating.

"scritch" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.


Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping "socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

"LD" writes:


It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

I don't blame that
Japanese for that at all--they were working hard at coming up with
innovative new products while the US consumer electronics industry was
stagnating.

Uhmmm.... you got it wrong. We did the innovation in electronics and
new products. Japan innovated in production and marketing.

nb

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and
mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up
his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were
going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because
they're US based corporations this is still considered "domestic"
production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the US
consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not jumping
on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios? The
first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios was Sony
and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American branded
transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I don't blame that
Japanese for that at all--they were working hard at coming up with
innovative new products while the US consumer electronics industry
was stagnating.

On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:04:59 -0500, dpb wrote:

Philco had the Transac S-2000 series computer out which included them
new-fangled solid state devices quite early (1958). They had hybrid
models of the series even earlier (showing my age, I used them... ).

IIRC, the Univac SS-80/90 came out about the same time. Remember excess
5 alphanumerics?

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:04:59 -0500, dpb wrote:

Philco had the Transac S-2000 series computer out which included them
new-fangled solid state devices quite early (1958). They had hybrid
models of the series even earlier (showing my age, I used them...
).

IIRC, the Univac SS-80/90 came out about the same time. Remember
excess 5 alphanumerics?

What do Univac computers have to do with consumer electronics?

J. Clarke wrote:
Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:04:59 -0500, dpb wrote:

Philco had the Transac S-2000 series computer out which included them
new-fangled solid state devices quite early (1958). They had hybrid
models of the series even earlier (showing my age, I used them...
).
IIRC, the Univac SS-80/90 came out about the same time. Remember
excess 5 alphanumerics?

What do Univac computers have to do with consumer electronics?


They were the personal computers of the day, viz. your job took up the
entire machine. :-)
mr. Burroughs E101
jo4hn

On Jun 16, 1:00*am, "LD" wrote:
"scritch" wrote in message

...

willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.

Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping "socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Bull****.

Stuart wrote:
In article ,
LD wrote:

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Yeh but get this - the workers /are/ the taxpayers!

Yep. Like the chap who had the equivalent of a perpetual motion business:

Cat/mice farming.

He'd feed the mice to the cats and the cat carcasses to the mice. In
between, he'd harvest the cat fur.

Admittedly, in this metaphor, I'm not sure who the worker or tax-payer is.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:00:18 GMT, "LD"
wrote:

"scritch" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.


Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping "socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.


To a lesser extent than the Americans at this point in time.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and
mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up
his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were
going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because
they're US based corporations this is still considered "domestic"
production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the US
consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not jumping
on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios? The
first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios was Sony
and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American branded
transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

I don't blame that
Japanese for that at all--they were working hard at coming up with
innovative new products while the US consumer electronics industry
was stagnating.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:18:55 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
LD wrote:

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Yeh but get this - the workers /are/ the taxpayers!

Durn right.

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:18:55 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
LD wrote:

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Yeh but get this - the workers /are/ the taxpayers!
And we're taxed heavier than the Yanks too.

in 105560 20090616 231757 Stuart wrote:
In article ,
wrote:

Uhmmm.... you got it wrong. We did the innovation in electronics and
new products. Japan innovated in production and marketing.

And copying - at least in the early days.

There used to be a saying in Britain that went something like
"the British invent it, the Americans manufacture it and the Japanese copy it and sell it for sixpence"

"LD" wrote in message
...
"scritch" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.


Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping "socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.


You mean the Canadians have figured out a way to pay themselves?

wrote in message
...
"LD" writes:


It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

I don't blame that
Japanese for that at all--they were working hard at coming up with
innovative new products while the US consumer electronics industry was
stagnating.

Uhmmm.... you got it wrong. We did the innovation in electronics and
new products. Japan innovated in production and marketing.

nb

You never had a US Made Zenith or Motorola transistor radio?

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and
mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up
his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were
going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because
they're US based corporations this is still considered "domestic"
production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the US
consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not jumping
on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios? The
first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios was Sony
and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American branded
transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I Owned some. Zenith and Motorola. Oh, and Bulova. DAGS

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He didn't
believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in Mexico and
mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him to go look up
his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they were
going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written, because
they're US based corporations this is still considered "domestic"
production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the US
consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not jumping
on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios? The
first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios was Sony
and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American branded
transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

DAGS Lots were American Made.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jun 16, 1:00 am, "LD" wrote:
"scritch" wrote in message

...

willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.

Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping
"socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Bull****.

================================================== ====
Who pays their Health Care?

"Stuart" wrote in message
...
In article ,
LD wrote:

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Yeh but get this - the workers /are/ the taxpayers!


Get this, the auto workers are not the Only taxpayers!

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:18:55 +0100, Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
LD wrote:

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.

Yeh but get this - the workers /are/ the taxpayers!
And we're taxed heavier than the Yanks too.


Your Problem.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 05:00:18 GMT, "LD"
wrote:

"scritch" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.


Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping
"socialism".
From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections for workers,
AND national health care, yet our great American auto manufacturers find
it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than here in the good ol'
"free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.


To a lesser extent than the Americans at this point in time.


With Billions being ****ed away. you got that right.

"CW" wrote in message
...

"LD" wrote in message
...
"scritch" wrote in message
...
willshak wrote:
All Ford Crown Victorias have been made in St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
since 1992.


Just a little aside to all those who complain about creeping
"socialism". From what I understand Canada has much stronger protections
for workers, AND national health care, yet our great American auto
manufacturers find it cheaper to build cars and parts in Canada than
here in the good ol' "free-market" United States.

They find it cheaper, because the workers are Subsidized by Canadian
Taxpayers.


You mean the Canadians have figured out a way to pay themselves?


Who pays for their health care? Same applies to Japan.

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He
didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in
Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him
to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the
US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not
jumping on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came
out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios
was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American
branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I Owned some. Zenith and Motorola. Oh, and Bulova. DAGS

I did. It told me that no American manufacturer sold "millions" of
transistor radios.

LD wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body.
He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made
in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told
him to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the
US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not
jumping on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came
out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor
radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an
American branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

DAGS Lots were American Made.

FYGS.

"LD" writes:


You never had a US Made Zenith or Motorola transistor radio?

In fact, we did. When I was a boy back in '56-57, mom bought a Zenith
transistor radio. The thing was the size of a breadbox, weighed about
5-6lbs, and had a battery the size 2lb brick of cheese. Worked great.
By the early '60s, most transistor radios were the size of a pack of
ez-read playing cards and made in Japan.

As early as 1954 the Japanese had already cornered the tv market and
were flooding the USA with underpriced TVs through Sears and Wards.
Japanese housewives marched on the Ministry of Commerce(?) in protest
of Japan's dumping policies at the expense of Japanese taxpayers.
Americans could buy a TV cheaper than the Japanese.

This voracious marketing tactic (dumping) lasted for years, up through
stereo systems, cameras, motorcycles, and eventually cars. The
Japanese didn't exactly "copy", the took what we had innovated and
then dicarded and improved on it and created a manufacturing base that
blew us away. Yes, they out innovated us in some areas, cameras
lenses for one, but most of it was still copy/improvement and taking a
throw-away approach to keep prices competitive.

One perfect example is motorcycles. The japanese didn't invent
overhead cams. They just discovered a way to make them so the cam
turned in the bare aluminum head casting without the expense of bearings. Cheap,
effective, and tossable, so there was no point in rebuilding. Buy a
new one instead, and the Japanese design teams always had a new one
(or ten!) in the ready.

nb

wrote in message
...
"LD" writes:


You never had a US Made Zenith or Motorola transistor radio?

In fact, we did. When I was a boy back in '56-57, mom bought a Zenith
transistor radio. The thing was the size of a breadbox, weighed about
5-6lbs, and had a battery the size 2lb brick of cheese.

You are either talking about the Trans-Oceanic, or were living on another
planet. DAGS

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body.
He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made
in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told
him to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the
US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not
jumping on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came
out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor
radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an
American branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

DAGS Lots were American Made.

FYGS.


IOW, you don't want to know ...

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are built
in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a report on
this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American" truck.
He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard Body. He
didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck was made in
Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green, Kentucky. I told him
to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving to
Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that has
been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just fine) the
US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the foot by not
jumping on the solid state bandwagon when transistors first came
out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor radios
was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an American
branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I Owned some. Zenith and Motorola. Oh, and Bulova. DAGS

I did. It told me that no American manufacturer sold "millions" of
transistor radios.



No, it didn't.

"LD" writes:


You are either talking about the Trans-Oceanic, or were living on
another planet. DAGS

I'd dispute that statement ....if I had a clue what yer talking about.

nb

We had a Trans-Oceanic - used it 8000 miles or so southwest from here :-)
It allowed us to hear VOA and get skip out of the US from time to time.
The only station within 2000 miles was AFRS controlled.

The stainless with black made it a nice radio.

Martin

wrote:
"LD" writes:


You are either talking about the Trans-Oceanic, or were living on
another planet. DAGS

I'd dispute that statement ....if I had a clue what yer talking about.

nb

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard
Body. He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck
was made in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green,
Kentucky. I told him to go look up his VIN and see for
himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving
to Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that
has been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just
fine) the US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the
foot by not jumping on the solid state bandwagon when
transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor
radios? The first company to sell more than half a million
transistor radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I
_never_ saw an American branded transistor radio on the shelf or
in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

DAGS Lots were American Made.

FYGS.


IOW, you don't want to know ...

I'm just sick of people who have no sources instructing other to "DAGS". If
you can't be assed to do the search yourself and post the relevant links
then up yours and the horse you rode in on.

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard
Body. He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck
was made in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green,
Kentucky. I told him to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving
to Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that
has been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just
fine) the US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the
foot by not jumping on the solid state bandwagon when
transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor
radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an
American branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I Owned some. Zenith and Motorola. Oh, and Bulova. DAGS

I did. It told me that no American manufacturer sold "millions" of
transistor radios.



No, it didn't.

Are you calling me a liar, ****head?

wrote in message
...
"LD" writes:


You are either talking about the Trans-Oceanic, or were living on
another planet. DAGS

I'd dispute that statement ....if I had a clue what yer talking about.

nb


http://www.antiqueradio.org/transoceanics.htm

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:21:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard
Body. He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck
was made in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green,
Kentucky. I told him to go look up his VIN and see for
himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving
to Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that
has been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just
fine) the US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the
foot by not jumping on the solid state bandwagon when
transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor
radios? The first company to sell more than half a million
transistor radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I
_never_ saw an American branded transistor radio on the shelf or
in anyone's hand.


Actually LOTS of "American Brand" - but precious few
"American Made"

DAGS Lots were American Made.

FYGS.


IOW, you don't want to know ...

I'm just sick of people who have no sources instructing other to "DAGS".
If
you can't be assed to do the search yourself and post the relevant links
then up yours and the horse you rode in on.



And your sources for the Original Assertion are
____________________________________

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
LD wrote:
"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...
Alan Petrillo wrote:
Ken wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the
electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP
AMERICA!!!!!!!!

Look again. Most of the "Japanese" cars sold in America are
built in America, and largely with American parts. I wrote a
report on this about ten years ago, but I can't find what I did
with it.

I had an altercation with a guy about driving an "American"
truck. He was in a Ford Ranger, and I was in a Nissan Hard
Body. He didn't believe me when I pointed out that his truck
was made in Mexico and mine was made in Bowling Green,
Kentucky. I told him to go look up his VIN and see for himself.

The latest players in the US car market are the Koreans, with
Hyundai and Kia. Not too long ago Hyundai announced that they
were going to open a US plant and start building cars here.

In fact, about the only car manufacturers that are taking their
plants out of the US are The Big Three, who are largely moving
to Canada and Mexico. Even so, the way the rules are written,
because they're US based corporations this is still considered
"domestic" production.

So before you look at the manufacturer's badge and make an
assumption you should find out where the vehicle was actually
built.

And as far as consumer electronics (which is the industry that
has been "lost"--the US still makes radars and whatnot just
fine) the US consumer electronics industry shot itself in the
foot by not jumping on the solid state bandwagon when
transistors first came out.

It did. Millions of Transistor Radios.

Which American manufacturer produced millions of transistor radios?
The first company to sell more than half a million transistor
radios was Sony and when I was a kid in the '60s I _never_ saw an
American branded transistor radio on the shelf or in anyone's hand.

I Owned some. Zenith and Motorola. Oh, and Bulova. DAGS

I did. It told me that no American manufacturer sold "millions" of
transistor radios.



No, it didn't.

Are you calling me a liar, ****head?


No, I'm calling you an Imbecile.