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I'm never using it again.
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samson wrote:
I'm never using it again. S. So, what was it that convince you? The quality or the intoxicating aroma? -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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In article , samson wrote:
In article , says... samson wrote: I'm never using it again. So, what was it that convince you? The quality or the intoxicating aroma? So many things. Could you be less specific? |
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"samson" wrote in message ... I'm never using it again. S. Let me see if your reason is the same as mine Went to lumber yard and purchased a 3/4 sheet of furniture grade birch plywood to cut into pieces about 14 inches by 18 inches for a project. The plywood was only about 3/4 usable due to voids in the material, lost another few pieces due to lamanite seperation. Finaly got 8 "good" blocks out of the sheet. Out of the 8 two warped out of shape, so now out of the 12 I needed I have 6 usable blocks and those are from good to fair. While cutting I had a stink in the shop worse then a skunk just not as powerful and went away quickly, while routing the blocks I hit metal and ruined a new 30 dollar router bit. I now have $30 invested in wood and $30 in a router bit and only half of material for my project. Went back to lumber yard purchased a 3/4 inch sheet of furniture grade birch plywood made in Canada, cost $50, got all 12 blocks out of it, no stink while cutting, no metal to ruin router bit, no voids, no warping Is this sad tale something like what you are going through? Sad part is that the lumber yard only carries the china made ply now except by special order. |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:01:57 -0500, samson wrote:
I'm never using it again. S. Agreed. Two places in the area, both carrying it, but one being a hardwood place isn't willing to order anything. Other place (Allied in VA) carries Chinese and other. Used to be, their cherry was Canadian. Which was good since it was cut to metric sizes which was a tad bigger than imperial, giving some leeway for a sawcut or two. Now, you gotta specifically request non-Chinese, which fortunately they do have or can get, but it (cherry) was from NCarolina last time I ordered some (fine, except for being non-metric). Aside, but vaguely related. Went to lunch with some buddies from work. One had just been to Taiwan. He and a couple others were Chinese (but US citizens, etc., etc.). In Taiwan, he said a lot of the people are carrying chopsticks with them that they pull out of their purse at the restaurant. Why? 'Cause the chopsticks in the restaurant are from China and may have some nasty chemicals used to "sterilize" them. Renata |
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samson wrote:
I'm never using it again. Always has been garbage. What took you so long to discover thatgrin? Seriously, someday they will learn to play by the rules when selling to a spec market. Mean time, ignoring them is safest thing you can do. Lew |
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On Jul 30, 9:06*am, Renata wrote:
Aside, but vaguely related. *Went to lunch with some buddies from work. *One had just been to Taiwan. *He and a couple others were Chinese (but US citizens, etc., etc.). *In Taiwan, he said a lot of the people are carrying chopsticks with them that they pull out of their purse at the restaurant. *Why? *'Cause the chopsticks in the restaurant are from China and may have some nasty chemicals used to "sterilize" them. * Non-disposable chopsticks have been carried to restaurants for a far longer time than China has been a manufacturing player. I bring them because I don't like the rough texture of the cheap chopsticks. I don't trust too much coming out of China, but there's also scaremongering and a bit of urban legend at play. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/chopsticks.asp R |
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samson wrote:
I'm never using it again. S. I hung a mirror for customer the other day. Used 2 heavy duty lags, well the head of one lag sheered off and the mirror came crashing to the tile floor. Damage, the mirror broke into pieces, the frame also broke, the tile under the mirror cracked. The screw cost how much? Later I find out its not even made of steel, its made from Zinc and made in China. I charged $50.00 to hang the mirror. It will cost much more than that to replace the tile and the mirror, not to mention fixing the scratch on the wall. All because of a lousy screw. Thanks China, for turning a life long customer into a lost irate one. Wondering where you go for customer support for something like this? Freakin Chinese CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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"evodawg" wrote: SNIP a tale of fastener woe lousy screw. Thanks China, for turning a life long customer into a lost irate one. Wondering where you go for customer support for something like this? Freakin Chinese CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SFWIW, I standardized on 316L fasteners a long time ago. WHY: It's the standard for marine applications which is my primary area.. China is NOT a supplier of 316L, YET. Fasteners, for the most part, represent a small percentage of the total project cost, so purchase price is not an issue. Jamestown Distributors has an extensive S/S inventory so availability is not usually an issue. They don't rust. They look purtygrin Lew |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:45:39 GMT, evodawg wrote:
samson wrote: I'm never using it again. S. I hung a mirror for customer the other day. Used 2 heavy duty lags, well the head of one lag sheered off and the mirror came crashing to the tile floor. Damage, the mirror broke into pieces, the frame also broke, the tile under the mirror cracked. The screw cost how much? Later I find out its not even made of steel, its made from Zinc and made in China. I charged $50.00 to hang the mirror. It will cost much more than that to replace the tile and the mirror, not to mention fixing the scratch on the wall. All because of a lousy screw. Thanks China, for turning a life long customer into a lost irate one. Wondering where you go for customer support for something like this? Freakin Chinese CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On packaged stuff from China, as a matter of routine, I buy it and open and inspect right there in the store. Saves gas getting to the returns desk. learned that the hard way. Frank |
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In article , Frank Boettcher wrote:
On packaged stuff from China, as a matter of routine, I buy it and open and inspect right there in the store. Saves gas getting to the returns desk. learned that the hard way. Saves even more time if you set it aside the moment you see the magic words "Made in China" and get something better instead. Eventually, I'm sure they'll start making better-quality products -- I'm old enough to remember when the words "Made in Japan" meant "crap", and we all now what those words mean *now* -- but it may not happen until after they've transitioned to a capitalist economy. |
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"evodawg" wrote in message news:Dx3kk.506$JH5.188@trnddc06... samson wrote: I'm never using it again. S. I hung a mirror for customer the other day. Used 2 heavy duty lags, well the head of one lag sheered off and the mirror came crashing to the tile floor. Damage, the mirror broke into pieces, the frame also broke, the tile under the mirror cracked. The screw cost how much? Later I find out its not even made of steel, its made from Zinc and made in China. I charged $50.00 to hang the mirror. It will cost much more than that to replace the tile and the mirror, not to mention fixing the scratch on the wall. All because of a lousy screw. Thanks China, for turning a life long customer into a lost irate one. Wondering where you go for customer support for something like this? Freakin Chinese CRAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I learned long ago to go to an industrial fastener place for my fasteners. It took more time, but it saved me an incredible amount of grief and money. And the price isn't bad either when you buy in quantity. |
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Lee Michaels wrote:
I learned long ago to go to an industrial fastener place for my fasteners. It took more time, but it saved me an incredible amount of grief and money. And the price isn't bad either when you buy in quantity. In the spirit of fine woodworking, I made a trip to Fastenal and bought a big box of stainless steel pop rivets to use with my HF pneumatic riveting tool. :-) -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/ |
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It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars
when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! "Doug Miller" wrote in message ... In article , Frank Boettcher wrote: On packaged stuff from China, as a matter of routine, I buy it and open and inspect right there in the store. Saves gas getting to the returns desk. learned that the hard way. Saves even more time if you set it aside the moment you see the magic words "Made in China" and get something better instead. Eventually, I'm sure they'll start making better-quality products -- I'm old enough to remember when the words "Made in Japan" meant "crap", and we all now what those words mean *now* -- but it may not happen until after they've transitioned to a capitalist economy. |
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In article , "Ken" wrote:
It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "Ken" wrote: It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. Yes, and between then and now they've made these ridiculous pension deals with the UAW. That's already dealing a death blow to the US Auto Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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evodawg wrote:
Doug Miller wrote: In article , "Ken" wrote: It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. Yes, and between then and now they've made these ridiculous pension deals with the UAW. That's already dealing a death blow to the US Auto Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? Or anything else for that matter. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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evodawg wrote:
evodawg wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , "Ken" wrote: It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. Yes, and between then and now they've made these ridiculous pension deals with the UAW. That's already dealing a death blow to the US Auto Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? Or anything else for that matter. I don't know what is is with you people that you can't find decent products. Maybe if you worried more about function and less about place of manufacture you'd be happier. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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evodawg wrote:
.... snip Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? That's a great straight line for something, but I'm not going there. :-) -- If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough |
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"Ken" wrote in message . .. It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Next for automotive? Have you looked around in a parking lot in the past 10 years? Our front lot at work was 100% US about 15 years ago, now it has a lonely Ford, a US built Korean car and three Japanese imports. Back lot is better, about 60 -40 in favor of US. |
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Ya know folks, if it's sold in the USA, then it's the guy who is selling
it to you without telling you about its problems who is at fault. Up line from him is the American importer who also knows what he's pushing off on us. It won't get any better until we place the pressure where it can do some good. WE ALL have to return EVERY bad product and DEMAND satisfaction. The enemy is US! Don't be complacent!!! I bought a couple dozen sheets of that kind of plywood from Menard's (up here in western Wisconsin) and about half of it delaminated. I used it up as best I could. I went back to the store a week or two later to buy something else and simply complained to a manager about it. I told him I'd never buy plywood there again. He said I should bring the receipt in and they'd do something for me. I did, and we negotiated a 50% return of the cost of the stuff. If enough people did that, they'd loose enough money that they'd HAVE to push for better stuff. Pete Stanaitis ------------------------ samson wrote: I'm never using it again. S. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Ken" wrote in message . .. It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Next for automotive? Have you looked around in a parking lot in the past 10 years? Our front lot at work was 100% US about 15 years ago, now it has a lonely Ford, a US built Korean car and three Japanese imports. Back lot is better, about 60 -40 in favor of US. Whine whine whine whine whine. Ed, you live in Connecticut. Connecticut has lost many manufacturing jobs, not because of competition from overseas, but because manufacturing in Connecticut is almost exclusively for the military--who are the major employers in manufacturing in Connecticut? Electric Boat, Pratt & Whitney, Sikorski, Colt, etc. Why did the jobs go away? Not because the Chinese started making nuclear submarines and jet engines and helicopters and M16s but because the Congress decided that we have enough submarines and jet airplanes and helicopters and M16s. Why aren't there any _consumer_ manufacturing jobs? Because the idiots in the statehouse have taxed them out of existence--no company hoping to compete in any consumer products area is going to set up in Connecticut because some outfit in a state that is friendly to business instead of sucking off the DOD teat will eat their lunch. If you want manufacturing jobs in Connecticut then talk to your idiot legislators about cutting taxes on manufacturing way, way back, and provide some incentives for manufacturing to come to Connecticut. Not gonna happen--Connecticut is a suburb of New York City that doesn't see manufacturing as being of any real importance compared to stock trading and lawyering and insurance and whatnot. If Japan and China fell off the face of the Earth there still wouldn't be any manufacturing jobs in Connecticut. If you want to work in manufacturing you picked the wrong state to live in. The US exports more than 1.4 trillion dollars worth of goods every year. If there is no manufacturing in the US where do they come from? -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message Ed, you live in Connecticut. Connecticut has lost many manufacturing jobs, not because of competition from overseas, but because manufacturing in Connecticut is almost exclusively for the military--who are the major employers in manufacturing in Connecticut? Electric Boat, Pratt & Whitney, Sikorski, Colt, etc. Why did the jobs go away? Not because the Chinese started making nuclear submarines and jet engines and helicopters and M16s but because the Congress decided that we have enough submarines and jet airplanes and helicopters and M16s. Why aren't there any _consumer_ manufacturing jobs? Because the idiots in the statehouse have taxed them out of existence--no company hoping to compete in any consumer products area is going to set up in Connecticut because some outfit in a state that is friendly to business instead of sucking off the DOD teat will eat their lunch. If you want manufacturing jobs in Connecticut then talk to your idiot legislators about cutting taxes on manufacturing way, way back, and provide some incentives for manufacturing to come to Connecticut. In addition to all the valid reasons above, add the cost of utilities. We have the highest electric rates, fuel oil cost, and natural gas. All are needed for manufacturing. Where I work we are still under contract at 15.1¢ for electric, but other parts of the country it is about a third of that. |
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"spaco" wrote in message .. . Ya know folks, if it's sold in the USA, then it's the guy who is selling it to you without telling you about its problems who is at fault. Up line from him is the American importer who also knows what he's pushing off on us. It won't get any better until we place the pressure where it can do some good. WE ALL have to return EVERY bad product and DEMAND satisfaction. The enemy is US! Don't be complacent!!! I bought a couple dozen sheets of that kind of plywood from Menard's (up here in western Wisconsin) and about half of it delaminated. I used it up as best I could. I went back to the store a week or two later to buy something else and simply complained to a manager about it. I told him I'd never buy plywood there again. He said I should bring the receipt in and they'd do something for me. I did, and we negotiated a 50% return of the cost of the stuff. If enough people did that, they'd loose enough money that they'd HAVE to push for better stuff. Pete Stanaitis ------------------------ samson wrote: I'm never using it again. S. Big problem is that joe average doesn't know he is getting ripped off, or is afraid to take stuff back and just accepts the crap he getting. A few years ago I went to a craft show. Another vendor was selling a toy just like one I make at 1/3 the price of mine. One customer complained to me about my price and showed me the one she had just pruchased from the other vendor. It was already broken, mine has a 30 day warrenty on it, I showed her the difference in quality. She bought mine but didn't take the broken one back afraid to offend the other vendor. The key here is education and guts to refuse to accept inferior products. Untill that happens we will have a problem of getting more and more of lesser and lesser quality goods |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 07:20:09 -0700 (PDT), RicodJour
wrote: On Jul 30, 9:06*am, Renata wrote: Aside, but vaguely related. *Went to lunch with some buddies from work. *One had just been to Taiwan. *He and a couple others were Chinese (but US citizens, etc., etc.). *In Taiwan, he said a lot of the people are carrying chopsticks with them that they pull out of their purse at the restaurant. *Why? *'Cause the chopsticks in the restaurant are from China and may have some nasty chemicals used to "sterilize" them. * Non-disposable chopsticks have been carried to restaurants for a far longer time than China has been a manufacturing player. I bring them because I don't like the rough texture of the cheap chopsticks. I don't trust too much coming out of China, but there's also scaremongering and a bit of urban legend at play. http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/chopsticks.asp R Urban legend or not, the guy who was recounting the tale had just returned from a trip to Taiwan (was Taiwanese himself), and several other diners also hailed from thereabouts (though they hadn't recently visited, but do still have family there). BTW, all used the chopsticks provided by the (USA) restaurant where we dined. Aside. Had the occasion to use my Porter Cable ROS (barrel grip one) last night. Sticker caught my eye - "Proudly Made in the USA". Renata |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:36:16 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: evodawg wrote: evodawg wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , "Ken" wrote: It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. Yes, and between then and now they've made these ridiculous pension deals with the UAW. That's already dealing a death blow to the US Auto Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? Or anything else for that matter. I don't know what is is with you people that you can't find decent products. Maybe if you worried more about function and less about place of manufacture you'd be happier. -- The reason for worry about the place of manufacture is probably due to our experience with crap from said place of manufacture. Personally, I was never one to blindly buy American, only America, no matter what. Whoever made the best for the money got my business. That meant no American cars, but some pretty good American tools (just 2 examples). Today, you can't find much not made in China, and I've become one who looks for the "Made In USA" (or Europe) sticker 'cause most of the junk from China is just that. Another example/point. Now-days, even fine china (American and European) is made in China. As is the cheap stuff. So much for distinction. Not to mention a little extra lead (hey, if lead crystal is good, why not leaded dishes?). The question is, is China going to be the manufacturing center of the entire planet? If so, what are the rest of us going to do? Do they have the capacity to handle this task (entire planet)? Of course, if the rest is mostly unemployed (engineering and design staff goes where the manufacturing resides), or flipping burgers, maybe they won't have to worry so much about capacity... Renata |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:18:38 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "Ken" wrote in message ... It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Next for automotive? Have you looked around in a parking lot in the past 10 years? Our front lot at work was 100% US about 15 years ago, now it has a lonely Ford, a US built Korean car and three Japanese imports. Back lot is better, about 60 -40 in favor of US. Yes Japanese branded but made in the USA. Brand new Toyota plant 20 miles from my house. 4000 jobs. Going to build trucks and SUV's? Nope, going to build the Prius. Two hours south is a Nissan plant. Building Altima's. Thing is, they can come to this country, build what the market wants, offer it in high quality and be successful. Why can't the US brands do that? Frank |
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J. Clarke wrote:
I don't know what is is with you people that you can't find decent products. Maybe if you worried more about function and less about place of manufacture you'd be happier. What? If it don't function then its probably from China! Faulty or defective products coming from China can and is effecting my business. It just ****es me off that we take this ****. I called McFeelys and all their hardware and screws are made in China and Taiwan. Guess Jamestown maybe the last place to buy USA. I kinda wonder if Jamestown is getting stuff from China? Oh well I tried to find USA made. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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On Jul 31, 9:21*am, Frank Boettcher wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:18:38 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: "Ken" wrote in message ... It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. *We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, *WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Next for automotive? *Have you looked around in a parking lot in the past 10 years? Our front lot at work was 100% US about 15 years ago, now it has a lonely Ford, a US built Korean car and three Japanese imports. *Back lot is better, about 60 -40 in favor of US. Yes Japanese branded but made in the USA. *Brand new Toyota plant 20 miles from my house. 4000 jobs. * Going to build trucks and SUV's? Nope, going to build the Prius. Two hours south is a Nissan plant. *Building Altima's. Thing is, they can come to this country, build what the market wants, offer it in high quality and be successful. *Why can't the US brands do that? Frank I have Toyota and Honda all within an hour's drive from me. Many government vehicles, yes even the Ministry Of Transport, driving Camry's. I also live near Windsor, where the US automotive cancer has claimed many fatalities over the last several years. Ford, GM and Chrysler are all having huge problems. Since I was prodded for an opinion g, I am now 100% sure it was all related to union issues, one way or another. We have a plant in our fair city (http://www.ubesarnia.com/) which employs a lot of happy people. Happy managers, make happy workers, make good products, BECAUSE THEY 'GET IT'. Their wheels are good enough for Bentley. When one member of a team acts up and won't carry his load, he gets dealt with by his peers. If he doesn't like what's happening to him, LEAVE! It is all about management and employees understanding each other. The days of 'mean' bosses in the car industry are pretty much over. They have proven what that union attitude gets them.... on BOTH sides of the line. Mind you, there are many examples of the need for organized labour. Textiles, coal mining etc.... but the car industry, the rail roads and many other examples also prove that a union can screw and entire industry out of existence. The worker 'sticking it to the man' will do that. The 'man sticking it to the worker' will do that too. Big management and big unions have been behaving like idiots. I think it is time that shareholders look into their portfolios and dump those assholes and start supporting manufacturers who treat their much needed, skilled workforce with respect, so that they have a chance of survival. This ain't 1870 no mo'! Oh... and **** Walmart. THEY are the sunsabitches who are largely responsible for twisting the consumers' minds into believing that everything is cheap and all is well. The average consumers have painted themselves into a corner. Have fun with that, folks. See you all in in the bread-lines. THE place to start, is to hassle Chinese products. Tariff the **** out of them. Turn that 29 dollar DVD player into a 50 dollar DVD player, and put that 20 bucks into a fund to promote ON shore business development. Because it isn't FAIR trade if tariffs are applied by 'them' but not 'us'. I always ask myself what I can do for my customer, and never ask myself what my customer can do for me.... other than for him/her to be happy with the service I have provided. Imagine a guy on the assembly line thinking like that. Put Americanadian big transport on a new electrified railroad system, power it with nukes. Develop high speed rail, so we can do with fewer regional aircraft. In the meantime start drilling for oil and start working on clean coal. The Chinese are drilling off Cuba, for **** sakes..do THEY give a **** about Florida's beaches? Chinese plywood???? Pffffft.. the picture is a little bigger than that. And yes, stop buying the **** and either one of two things will happen, they stop sending crap like that or they will make it better at a higher price, giving our plywood guys a fighting chance to compete. Tariffs are our friends. WILL you look at the time?? *outta here* r |
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spaco wrote:
Ya know folks, if it's sold in the USA, then it's the guy who is selling it to you without telling you about its problems who is at fault. Up line from him is the American importer who also knows what he's pushing off on us. It won't get any better until we place the pressure where it can do some good. WE ALL have to return EVERY bad product and DEMAND satisfaction. The enemy is US! Don't be complacent!!! I bought a couple dozen sheets of that kind of plywood from Menard's (up here in western Wisconsin) and about half of it delaminated. I used it up as best I could. I went back to the store a week or two later to buy something else and simply complained to a manager about it. I told him I'd never buy plywood there again. He said I should bring the receipt in and they'd do something for me. I did, and we negotiated a 50% return of the cost of the stuff. If enough people did that, they'd loose enough money that they'd HAVE to push for better stuff. Pete Stanaitis ------------------------ samson wrote: I'm never using it again. S. Lot of times it's just the aggravation of having to load up the crap and drive the distance and lug it into the store and wait in line and get the fifth degree from the moron behind the register. All because a product can't be made right or the idiots making it don't give a ****. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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"evodawg" wrote: Lot of times it's just the aggravation of having to load up the crap and drive the distance and lug it into the store and wait in line and get the fifth degree from the moron behind the register. That's why inspection before purchase is prudent. Of course if this is a raw material purchase at Lowes or H/D, you already accet the fact you are buying garbage. Lew |
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Lew Hodgett wrote:
Of course if this is a raw material purchase at Lowes or H/D, you already accet the fact you are buying garbage. There are a couple exceptions to this. I know of at least one person who buys S2S secondary wood there because he can pick through the whole stack and only take *perfect* boards. Chris |
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Frank Boettcher wrote: Yes Japanese branded but made in the USA. Brand new Toyota plant 20 miles from my house. 4000 jobs. Going to build trucks and SUV's? Nope, going to build the Prius. Two hours south is a Nissan plant. Building Altima's. Thing is, they can come to this country, build what the market wants, offer it in high quality and be successful. Why can't the US brands do that? Frank I've read that while foreign U.S. based auto manufacturing wages are only a few dollars per hour cheaper that in fact with retirement, medical costs, benefits etc. that the difference is $70+ U.S. Vs $45 foreign owned. If indeed true such a margin creates very significant cost difference issues. Incidenty I've heard on a web woodworking forum that Delta was moving their table saw manufacturing back to the U.S.....is it true? Rod |
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in 73687 20080731 131814 Renata wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 21:36:16 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: evodawg wrote: evodawg wrote: Doug Miller wrote: In article , "Ken" wrote: It means a lot of lost jobs, because of all the Jap cars when will we wake up, buy AMERICAN. We've already lost the electronics, next will be the Automotive, WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!! Back in the 1970s, I used to see a lot of cars with bumper stickers saying "Buy What America Builds." They didn't understand then, any more than you do now. The U.S. auto makers went into the toilet because it took them -- and the UAW -- twenty years to get the message that they needed to *build* what America *buys*. Yes, and between then and now they've made these ridiculous pension deals with the UAW. That's already dealing a death blow to the US Auto Manufactures. I just don't like the fact you can't even go into a hardware store and buy a decent SCREW!!! What is this world coming to??????? Or anything else for that matter. I don't know what is is with you people that you can't find decent products. Maybe if you worried more about function and less about place of manufacture you'd be happier. -- The reason for worry about the place of manufacture is probably due to our experience with crap from said place of manufacture. Personally, I was never one to blindly buy American, only America, no matter what. Whoever made the best for the money got my business. That meant no American cars, but some pretty good American tools (just 2 examples). Today, you can't find much not made in China, and I've become one who looks for the "Made In USA" (or Europe) sticker 'cause most of the junk from China is just that. My IBM T41 ThinkPad was made in China - it's beautifully engineered. (Actually made by Lenovo but at that time was still allowed to put IBM badge on it.) |
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"evodawg" wrote: It just ****es me off that we take this ****. I called McFeelys and all their hardware and screws are made in China and Taiwan. Guess Jamestown maybe the last place to buy USA. I kinda wonder if Jamestown is getting stuff from China? Oh well I tried to find USA made. There is no fastener industry left in the USA, it is all off shore. As far as Jamestown is concerned, a major portion of their business is stainless where India is a major supplier. Lew |
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Bob Martin wrote:
My IBM T41 ThinkPad was made in China - it's beautifully engineered. (Actually made by Lenovo but at that time was still allowed to put IBM badge on it.) I wonder what else they put in it? Like some kind of spyware chip? I wonder where the Defense Dept. gets their puters? And why on earth are they still using WindBlows. What a bunch of Pinheads. -- "You can lead them to LINUX but you can't make them THINK" Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586 |
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"Robatoy" wrote: It is all about management and employees understanding each other. The days of 'mean' bosses in the car industry are pretty much over. They have proven what that union attitude gets them.... on BOTH sides of the line. Find a copy of James F Lincoln's book, Incentive Management, and read it. Yes, the Lincoln Electric, James F Lincoln. Written in the 30's, some of the references are a little stale, but overall, still very much on the mark. Firmly believed that any cost improvements should be shared equally, 1/3 each to customer, company, and worker which made Lincoln an interesting place to work. Lew |
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