In article , says...
\
Thank God the accusation is enough when we're talking Republicans, eh,
Fatboy?


****head, your point must be buried somewhere beneath the mountain of
feces you call a thought process. Republicans were busy spearheading
investigations about whether or not Clinton got his dolphin waxed.

....and, you know, perjured himself, obstructed justice ... **** you
folks on the left used to think was a big deal, too...

Meanwhile, there have been so many illegal activities tallied by Lay,
Cheney, and Bush,

Cite?

Convictions only, please.

grin

--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys

Cite?

--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


Look it up yourself, you lazy ass.
Facts are mostly wasted on the likes of you.

If it aint spoon fed to you from Rush or
Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity, it can't be
real, I guess.

Liberal media, my ass.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:41:43 GMT, Mark & Juanita
wrote:


Yep, Steel tarriffs, letting Teddy Kennedy write the education bill,
this $400B (lowballed) socialist medicare bill, and any of a host of
other social issues where W made Clinton look like a piker regarding
socialist policies


You seem to confuse socialism with corporate welfare
and tax cuts for the rich.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

In article ,
says...

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?

Look it up yourself, you lazy ass.
Facts are mostly wasted on the likes of you.

TRANSLATION: "No cite, just more moonbat bull**** we can't hope to
support."

Bye.

--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the
Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


Look it up yourself, you lazy ass.

Sorry, stupid... if the clouds of your delusional state would part just a
brief moment, you would realize you can't "look up" that which does not
exist.

Tom

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:41:43 GMT, Mark & Juanita
wrote:


Yep, Steel tarriffs, letting Teddy Kennedy write the education bill,
this $400B (lowballed) socialist medicare bill, and any of a host of
other social issues where W made Clinton look like a piker regarding
socialist policies


You seem to confuse socialism with corporate welfare
and tax cuts for the rich.


rafe b.


Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?

Tom

"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Jerry McG wrote:

ALL of which is leftist, paranoid, "We gotta paint the other side as
crooks
so people don't realize WE'RE the real thieves", guilt-by-association
bull****!

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the
Bush
administration.


And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like? It's funny when Rumsfeld waxes malevolent about "Saddam's
death squads"--somebody should ask him about the U.S.'s "detainment
squads". Does anybody really believe the U.S. government isn't
currently committing war crimes?

If we are committing any, surely they pale in comparison with those
committed during Clinton's 81-day around-the-clock bombing of Serbia. Not
only did we kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians (including
schoolchildren--remember the photos of charred little bodies with arms and
legs like sticks of charcoal, near a missile-struck schoolbus?) but
Clinton's deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure (TV stations,
water supplies, power grids, etc.) was *by definition* a series of war
crimes. Of course, Clinton paid about as much attention to the Geneva
Convention as he did to any other legally binding agreement.

Neil

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:06:24 GMT, "NJH" wrote:


Bush has bent over backwards to accommodate the Democrats--he's bent too
far
on some issues, many of us think--and he's sincerely tried to be a
uniter.
The *problem* is, trying to get along well with Democrats is somewhat
like
trying to get along well with rattlesnakes.


He's bent over backwards and showed us his
naked backside. And it aint a pretty sight.

I guess that must be what passes for sparkling repartee in the sixth grade
or so.

Neil

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:46:08 GMT, "Tom"
wrote:


Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?


The three million jobs lost since shrub's reign began
aren't back yet.

You can always liven up an economy with defecit
pending. Democrats have played that game also,
Question is how much "livening" you get for how much
defecit spending. How much debt can the USA pile
on? Someone's got to pay, eventually. With shrub's
rules, it's the poor and the middle that pay, and the
rich that make off with the proceeds.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

"Tom" wrote in message
news:Qk9yb.354868$HS4.2977645@attbi_s01...

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:41:43 GMT, Mark & Juanita
wrote:


Yep, Steel tarriffs, letting Teddy Kennedy write the education bill,
this $400B (lowballed) socialist medicare bill, and any of a host of
other social issues where W made Clinton look like a piker regarding
socialist policies


You seem to confuse socialism with corporate welfare
and tax cuts for the rich.


rafe b.


Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end
that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?

Tom


Yes.....Even if they hate Bush, they have to admit that he played the,
"tax-cut-card" at exactly the right time....Just when the economy was about
to turn around anyway.......

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:46:08 GMT, "Tom"
wrote:


Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?


NY Times Business section, 11/29/03

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/bu...ey/30view.html


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

Giftzwerg wrote:
In article , says...
\

Thank God the accusation is enough when we're talking Republicans, eh,
Fatboy?


****head, your point must be buried somewhere beneath the mountain of
feces you call a thought process. Republicans were busy spearheading
investigations about whether or not Clinton got his dolphin waxed.


...and, you know, perjured himself, obstructed justice ... **** you
folks on the left used to think was a big deal, too...


Right, and Madeline Albright was the last person to negotiate with the
North Koreans--you know, in the old days, when we had the brains and the
balls to actually have a foreign policy. Clinton got the job done.
"Mission Accomplished"--that should be the most representitive lie of
the Bush administration.

Giftzwerg wrote:
In article , says...


The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

Giftzwerg wrote:
In article , says...


In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.


And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?


Cite?


Brain?

Rafe B. wrote:
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:


In article , says...


In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?



Look it up yourself, you lazy ass.
Facts are mostly wasted on the likes of you.

If it aint spoon fed to you from Rush or
Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity, it can't be
real, I guess.

Liberal media, my ass.



I'm starting to wonder about the right wing terminology: when Rush
admitted to being addicted to drugs, did that make him a "major league
asshole"?

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-04.htm

http://www.amnestyusa.org/usacrisis/ashcroftraids.html

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=123

http://www.refuseandresist.org/deten...rt.php?aid=639

http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0605030926.asp

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01103103.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85059,00.html


All of which came from the first few pages of hits from
a google search of "ashcroft immigrant detention"

Fer chrissakes, even Fox News covered it.

If you didn't have your head so far up Rush Limbaugh's
colon, you might have noticed.

But then again, facts aren't your strong suit. Too
freakin' lazy to do a google search to learn that
you're dead wrong -- as usual.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

NJH wrote:
"trotsky" wrote in message
...


Jerry McG wrote:


ALL of which is leftist, paranoid, "We gotta paint the other side as

crooks

so people don't realize WE'RE the real thieves", guilt-by-association
bull****!

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the

Bush

administration.


And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like? It's funny when Rumsfeld waxes malevolent about "Saddam's
death squads"--somebody should ask him about the U.S.'s "detainment
squads". Does anybody really believe the U.S. government isn't
currently committing war crimes?


If we are committing any, surely they pale in comparison with those
committed during Clinton's 81-day around-the-clock bombing of Serbia. Not
only did we kill hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians (including
schoolchildren--remember the photos of charred little bodies with arms and
legs like sticks of charcoal, near a missile-struck schoolbus?)


You mean like the ones that the fascist government spared us this time
around in Iraq and Afghanistan? Admittedly, the bombing of Serbia
didn't seem like a the coolest thing in the world, but I'm amazed that
anybody on the right would even dare compare Bush's non-existent foreign
policy to Clinton's.


but
Clinton's deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure (TV stations,
water supplies, power grids, etc.) was *by definition* a series of war
crimes. Of course, Clinton paid about as much attention to the Geneva
Convention as he did to any other legally binding agreement.


That's funny, because I just got through watching Rumsfeld on "NBC
Nightly News" pitch a bitch because Iraqi TV has the freedom to
broadcast whatever they want. He and his ilk truly despise freedom.

In article , says...

Right, and Madeline Albright was the last person to negotiate with the
North Koreans--you know, in the old days, when we had the brains and the
balls to actually have a foreign policy. Clinton got the job done.

LOL!

Yeaaaaaah, that's why the North Korean nuke program stopped in 1994,
when Clownton "got the job done."

Whew. Good thing we don't have to worry about them anymore.


--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.



--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:53:47 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.


Of course, the analogy to our so called "war on terrorism"
is ridiculous. For starters, there will never be a conclusion
to the current war... so the detentions will be indefinite, by
your logic.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-04.htm

http://www.amnestyusa.org/usacrisis/ashcroftraids.html

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=123

http://www.refuseandresist.org/deten...rt.php?aid=639

http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0605030926.asp

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01103103.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85059,00.html

Yawn. Snore. The usual rogues gallery of illegal alien towelheads,
towelheads captured carrying arms against the USA, and general terrorist
towelheads.

Want my advice? Take these cases To The People. Tell everyone that
*you* think these nice folks deserve Johnnie Cochran and the OJ jury -
and that mean ol' George Bush wants them locked up. Be sure that you
inform every voter precisely about the sort of people that Bush imagines
is an "enemy combatant" and wants to detain at Gitmo. Keep pushing
until every American knows each and every detail. Don't rest until the
nation is ablaze with the issue.

Think of it as an intelligence test. Howdy Dean is praying you can pass
it.


--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article ,
says...

Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?


NY Times Business section, 11/29/03

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/30/bu...ey/30view.html

laughter

Why not just cite Tom Daschle? Or some other DNC lickspittle?


--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article ,
says...

The three million jobs lost since shrub's reign began
aren't back yet.

Yeeeeaaah, that issue is really gonna resonate with the 95% of people
who have jobs...

--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:53:47 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can
be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.


Of course, the analogy to our so called "war on terrorism"
is ridiculous. For starters, there will never be a conclusion
to the current war... so the detentions will be indefinite, by
your logic.


rafe b.


And the problem is... what?

Must be something I am missing here.

Only in the vacant cavities of a liberal's "mind" could releasing people
sworn to kill us be a good thing.

Tom

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the
Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-04.htm

http://www.amnestyusa.org/usacrisis/ashcroftraids.html

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=123

http://www.refuseandresist.org/deten...rt.php?aid=639

http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0605030926.asp

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01103103.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85059,00.html


All of which came from the first few pages of hits from
a google search of "ashcroft immigrant detention"

Fer chrissakes, even Fox News covered it.

If you didn't have your head so far up Rush Limbaugh's
colon, you might have noticed.

But then again, facts aren't your strong suit. Too
freakin' lazy to do a google search to learn that
you're dead wrong -- as usual.


rafe b.


Only in the vacant cavities of a liberal's "mind" could detention and
deportation of -illegal- immigrants be a bad thing.

Actually, I can see why liberal democrats are frothing at the mouth about
this... we are deporting their constituency. All those democrat votes lost
right down the hole...

Tom

In article ,
says...

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.


Of course, the analogy to our so called "war on terrorism"
is ridiculous. For starters, there will never be a conclusion
to the current war... so the detentions will be indefinite, by
your logic.

And your point is ... ?


--
Giftzwerg
***
"The British left intermittently erupts like a pustule upon
the buttock of a rather good country. Seventy years ago it
opposed mobilisation against Adolf Hitler and worshipped
the other genocide, Josef Stalin. It has marched for Mao,
Ho Chi Minh, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Andropov. It has
slobbered over Ceausescu and Mugabe. It has demonstrated
against everything and everyone American for a century.
Broadly speaking, it hates [America] first, [Britain] second."
- Frederick Forsyth

In article FEbyb.162494$Dw6.645159@attbi_s02, Tom
wrote:

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:53:47 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can
be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.


Of course, the analogy to our so called "war on terrorism"
is ridiculous. For starters, there will never be a conclusion
to the current war... so the detentions will be indefinite, by
your logic.

And the problem is... what?

You mean you really don't know?

Must be something I am missing here.

How about some semblance of the fair and honest treatment of suspects
that we supposedly are so proud of?

Only in the vacant cavities of a liberal's "mind" could releasing people
sworn to kill us be a good thing.

Did someone call for their release? A rare few, perhaps, but no one
I've heard of. Most, I would presume, would favor some semblance of
due process before deciding to imprison someone for life.

--
--GlennGlenn--aa#825--
--
--Lost & seeing double somewhere in Hollywood, CA--

Meanwhile, there have been so many illegal activities tallied by Lay,
Cheney, and Bush, it would take a federal prosecutor months just to tabulate
them all. Your double standard is a mile wide.

Ok, name one "illegal activity" of either Cheney or Bush, name ONE that's
actually indictable and not just something that's been concocted by leftist
crybabies.

Right, and Madeline Albright was the last person to negotiate with the
North Koreans--you know, in the old days, when we had the brains and the
balls to actually have a foreign policy. Clinton got the job done.

WHAT!!!!???? The North Koreams are still laughing their asses off at
Clinton, they broke that agreement the minute they signed it, knowing fully
well that spineliess ******* wouldn't lift a finger to stop them.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration doesn't
like?

Yeah, like planning to blow up innocents, kill Afganis & US troops. If you'd
had your way we'd have had a trial for every Nazi Stornm Trroper captured
during WWII! All the more miney for your asshole trial lawyer buddies.

Does anybody really believe the U.S. government isn't
currently committing war crimes?

Yes, everybody except a small bunch of loud mouth, America hating leftist
idiots who have far bigger imaginations than general deductive mental
capacities.

Sorry, stupid... if the clouds of your delusional state would part just a
brief moment, you would realize you can't "look up" that which does not
exist.

Oh, sure you can, Tom, just check out any of these delusionists favorite
crypto-communist web sites. They've been concocting these ridicu;ous lies
since their best friend Vladdy Lenin taught them how 100 years ago, and even
though their lefist ideology is the most failed in history, they're going to
keep lying until they get it right!

"Hey, everybody, check out the leftist lies on their favorite web sites
below!"

(Oh, now, now, don't ask for any confirmation or actual facts, etc., cause
if it's from us anarchists & commies, it's gotta be the truth!)

Give me a friggin' break with this leftist paranoia, ass wipe!

"Rafe B." wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:50:49 -0500, Giftzwerg
wrote:

In article , says...

In three years there's not been one corruption scandal related to the
Bush
administration.

And why would there be? Who wants to be detained indefinitely without
access to attorneys because you've done something the administration
doesn't like?

Cite?


http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-04.htm

http://www.amnestyusa.org/usacrisis/ashcroftraids.html

http://www.migrationinformation.org/...lay.cfm?ID=123

http://www.refuseandresist.org/deten...rt.php?aid=639

http://www.newstribune.com/stories/0...0605030926.asp

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/01103103.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,85059,00.html


All of which came from the first few pages of hits from
a google search of "ashcroft immigrant detention"

Fer chrissakes, even Fox News covered it.

If you didn't have your head so far up Rush Limbaugh's
colon, you might have noticed.

But then again, facts aren't your strong suit. Too
freakin' lazy to do a google search to learn that
you're dead wrong -- as usual.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys-

PEOPLE?? What friggin people, those terrosit scumbags in Gitmo? You want
those pieces of **** treated like normal, law abiding citizens? Of WHAT
COUNTRY, ass wipe? They are terrorist scum and should have been shot or
worse! What planet did you come from?

They have turned our justice system into a joke, and not a very funny one
at that.

What "justice system", the one you leftists used to get OJ off ? What
bigger joke can there be than that? You trial lawyer leftist buddies are
just ****ed because the military will dispense with these PRISONERS OF WAR
rather than Johnny Cochran and his pals.

"Giftzwerg" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

The Bush administration has set up a fascist regime where people can
be
detained indefinitely without access to attorneys


Cite?


Cite? What, you think the ****ing people are hanging out in Gitmo for
the ambiance? Quit being a turd.

POP QUIZ:

German prisoners taken in WW2 were held until:

(a) They were freed by their court-appointed lawyers.
(b) We declared we were no longer at war with their masters, and let
them go.

Sorry, understanding of the military code of justice does not apply when the
leftists see an opportunity to either make money fro lawsuits or whine.

LOGIC DOES NOT APPLY TO THE LEFTIES!

Of course, the analogy to our so called "war on terrorism"
is ridiculous. For starters, there will never be a conclusion
to the current war... so the detentions will be indefinite, by
your logic.

Good, let's hope the terrorist *******s rot!

Only in the vacant cavities of a liberal's "mind" could releasing people
sworn to kill us be a good thing.

Oh, but Tom, don't you see, if only the leftists could just sit down with
the terrorists, hold hands and sing a few bars of Cumbaya, all will be fine.

In article ,
says...
On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:41:43 GMT, Mark & Juanita
wrote:


Yep, Steel tarriffs, letting Teddy Kennedy write the education bill,
this $400B (lowballed) socialist medicare bill, and any of a host of
other social issues where W made Clinton look like a piker regarding
socialist policies


You seem to confuse socialism with corporate welfare
and tax cuts for the rich.



... and the education bill is corporate welfare how?

The steel tariffs were supported by unions, last I looked, unions were
closer to socialism and communism than corporations.

The medicare bill, Oh yeah, Teddy was in full rant mode the other day
saying how it was a corporate welfare and how the eeevil HMO's were
going to benefit. Homework assignment for you, who wrote and sponsored
the legislation enabling the creation of HMO's? That aside, the
Medicare bill is another step toward socialized medicine pure and
simple. I realize you socialists would have liked it better had the
government been the sole source and fountain of the funding and
benefits.


rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:46:08 GMT, "Tom"
wrote:


Which tax cuts are now paying off nicely... It probably irks you no end that
the economy is turning around, in part because of those cuts, doesn't it?

Sucks being you, when your only hope is doom and gloom, doesn't it?


The three million jobs lost since shrub's reign began
aren't back yet.

You guys need to get your stories straight, some other leftwinger has
the number at 20 million.


You can always liven up an economy with defecit
pending. Democrats have played that game also,
Question is how much "livening" you get for how much
defecit spending. How much debt can the USA pile
on? Someone's got to pay, eventually. With shrub's
rules, it's the poor and the middle that pay, and the
rich that make off with the proceeds.


Unfortunately for you, the numbers belie your rant. Who pays the
taxes in the US? According to IRS 2001 statistics, the top 50% of wage
earners pay over 96% of all income taxes. The top 10% pay almost 65%
(64.89% to be precise). The top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes. Top
50% earn 86.2% of all income, top 10% earn 43.11% of all earnings, top
5% earns 31.99% of all income. Again, the source here is the IRS
statistics for 2001.

Now, given that the top 50% are paying 96% of all taxes, and the top
5% are paying 53.25%, who has any chance of benefiting from tax breaks
but the people who are paying the taxes.



rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com