I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature? I had a
sudden change in plans late today during assembly of my oak desk. I was
gonna glue the top to the frame, then thought better of it!

dave

Tabletop clips.

I got a couple of packages of these from Woodcraft. But lots of
places sell them.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:51:23 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature? I had a
sudden change in plans late today during assembly of my oak desk. I was
gonna glue the top to the frame, then thought better of it!

dave

Laz,

if he had truly checked google he would have found the first two entries
were what he was after (using "table top clips" as keywords). If he had
scrolled down the page he'd have found a lot more. He can't have checked
google.

Greg

"Lazarus Long" wrote in message
...
Tabletop clips.

I got a couple of packages of these from Woodcraft. But lots of
places sell them.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:51:23 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature? I had a
sudden change in plans late today during assembly of my oak desk. I was
gonna glue the top to the frame, then thought better of it!

dave

"Groggy" wrote in message
s.com...
Laz,

if he had truly checked google he would have found the first two entries
were what he was after (using "table top clips" as keywords). If he had
scrolled down the page he'd have found a lot more. He can't have checked
google.

Greg

Come on Greg. This is Tail Gunner Dave we're talking about. If he was
interested in "table top clips" , he probaly typed in "metal things to hold
a the top part of a table from coming off" + "most expensive" or some such.

"PM6564" wrote in message
m...
Come on Greg. This is Tail Gunner Dave we're talking about. If he was
interested in "table top clips" , he probaly typed in "metal things to
hold
a the top part of a table from coming off" + "most expensive" or some
such.

OBWW, who uses them anyway? I find it's easier to cut up some buttons on the
bandsaw (US$500) and just screw them in. That's one of the better reasons
for owning a bandsaw, to do the simple stuff quickly and easily. You can cut
buttons faster than you can google search, phone, order and await delivery,
and, let's face it, the darn things hang upside down under the table anyway
where only the pan-lickers and ankle-biters see them.

I wonder if they sell triangular corner blocks for bracing, it's such a
hassle cutting squares in half....

Greg

for owning a bandsaw, to do the simple stuff quickly and easily. You can
cut
buttons faster than you can google search, phone, order and await
delivery,
and, let's face it, the darn things hang upside down under the table
anyway
where only the pan-lickers and ankle-biters see them.


Well there you go. What are you doing assuming that TGD actually uses his
tools to *make* things?


Want some OBWW? How's about dis:
http://musial.ws/images/Photos/Genealogy/SawmillSm.jpg It was my g.g.
grandfather's sawmill in Wayne or Madison County, MO. Those are gen-u-ine
Missour Mules pulling those loads and (from the sapwood/heardwood contrast)
at least one in 5 of those logs are walnut. I'm only 2 hours (and about 100
years) away from there.

actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Just found them in Woodcraft - 2 bucks EACH! worth about 28 cents. and
I want them tomorrow, so that isn't gonna work. they just call them
table top fasteners. I'll forage around in the hardware section of HD
or OSH...

If you EVER ask what something is called, I'll be sure to make
disparaging remarks.

dave

PM6564 wrote:

"Groggy" wrote in message
s.com...

Laz,

if he had truly checked google he would have found the first two entries
were what he was after (using "table top clips" as keywords). If he had
scrolled down the page he'd have found a lot more. He can't have checked
google.

Greg


Come on Greg. This is Tail Gunner Dave we're talking about. If he was
interested in "table top clips" , he probaly typed in "metal things to hold
a the top part of a table from coming off" + "most expensive" or some such.

"Bay Area Dave" wrote in message
m...
actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Just found them in Woodcraft - 2 bucks EACH! worth about 28 cents. and
I want them tomorrow, so that isn't gonna work. they just call them
table top fasteners. I'll forage around in the hardware section of HD
or OSH...


You mean these:
http://shop.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/...9672D98CFCD25D ?

(Watch the word wrap of course)

Boy you really do overpay. They're not worth about 28 cents each. They're
worth about 19.9 cents each. (see the little note that says "bag of 10"?)


If you EVER ask what something is called, I'll be sure to make
disparaging remarks.

What do you call the corn that's in a big turd?

I'll post a few pictures when the desk is done so you can have a few
more laughs. You and your ilk really crack me up with your superior
attitudes. Kinda makes me ashamed to be associated, even in a
peripheral, adversarial way, with any of you. For the time being I'll
refer to you bozos as knuckle draggers in lie of miscreants.

Not enough of you watched "Sledgehammer" to know what the hell I've been
talking about.

BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?


dave

PM6564 wrote:
snip

BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?

Mines in the basement http://www.missouritrailertrash.com/stilts.jpg

HA! My bad!@ They are indeed a bag of 10. In the catalog the print is
so small I didn't see "bag of 10". I was being generous when I said
they were worth 28 cents... but I still want to get something tomorrow
morning so I'll browse HD. Maybe they will surprise me and have them.
and I'd even pay 28 cents a piece if I have to!

ah, a corn dog!

dave

PM6564 wrote:

"Bay Area Dave" wrote in message
m...

actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Just found them in Woodcraft - 2 bucks EACH! worth about 28 cents. and
I want them tomorrow, so that isn't gonna work. they just call them
table top fasteners. I'll forage around in the hardware section of HD
or OSH...



You mean these:
http://shop.woodcraft.com/Woodcraft/...9672D98CFCD25D ?

(Watch the word wrap of course)

Boy you really do overpay. They're not worth about 28 cents each. They're
worth about 19.9 cents each. (see the little note that says "bag of 10"?)



If you EVER ask what something is called, I'll be sure to make
disparaging remarks.


What do you call the corn that's in a big turd?

LMAO! looks like it's ready for a 100 year flood! what a kick!

did you get that from Google Images? wish I had a fast connection so I
could do faster picture searches. It takes longer than my patience to
pull up a whole screen of images in Google.

dave

PM6564 wrote:

BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?


Mines in the basement http://www.missouritrailertrash.com/stilts.jpg

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:51:23 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature?

The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.

I had a
sudden change in plans late today during assembly of my oak desk. I was
gonna glue the top to the frame, then thought better of it!

If I were you, which fortunately is not the case, I'd use crazy glue
and sixteen penny galvy sinkers applied with a waffle head rocket
hammer.


Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

"Tom Watson" wrote in message...
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:51:23 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:
I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature?

The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.

Aha! Never knew that, always thought of it as a kerf in the apron, thanks
Tom.

Even Paddy's Shellac gets a mention he
http://denali.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:...side_table.pdf

More on top attachment (including *why*) he
http://www.charm.net/~jriley/ttop.html and he
http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com/wood_movement.htm

also he

http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com...h%20review.htm

In fact, with a purty PM type BS or a Unisaurus you might even be able to
cut some blocks just like they show in the pics.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:31:32 GMT, "PM6564"
wrote:

Mines in the basement http://www.missouritrailertrash.com/stilts.jpg

It's the FallingWater of trailerhomes !

Of course, we thoroughly modern types do indeed make a kerf - with our
biscuit joiner - for the clip to rotate into.

"Groggy" wrote in message
...
"Tom Watson" wrote in message...
The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.

Aha! Never knew that, always thought of it as a kerf in the apron, thanks
Tom.

If I were you, which fortunately is not the case, I'd use crazy glue
and sixteen penny galvy sinkers applied with a waffle head rocket
hammer.

While I was in college back on the 60's I worked in a Pier 1 store, my job
was to assemble "dinning" tables imported from Mexico. The used 3" long
wood screws with slotted heads...I found a 20 oz claw hammer made fast work
of assembly...

--

Rumpty

Radial Arm Saw Forum: http://forums.delphiforums.com/woodbutcher/start

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

They are called "buttons." I make them from scrap hardwood and hold
in place with a one screw. There's another kind of fastener you can
buy that looks like an "8." Using screw slots instead of a special
fastener works too.

In article , Bay Area Dave wrote:
actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Liar. You did nothing of the kind. I just Googled for "table top clips" and
the _very_first_one_ in the list (of 252 hits, not fifty-five thousand) is
what you're looking for. The same search, without the quotation marks, returns
over 350,000 hits, but the _first_ one is still the same.

Just found them in Woodcraft - 2 bucks EACH!

Dolt. That's two bucks for a bag of TEN.

worth about 28 cents. and
I want them tomorrow, so that isn't gonna work. they just call them
table top fasteners. I'll forage around in the hardware section of HD
or OSH...

Good luck finding them at HD.

If you EVER ask what something is called, I'll be sure to make
disparaging remarks.

How much imagination does it take to suppose that "the clips for holding a
tabletop to the frame" might be called "table top clips"?

dave

PM6564 wrote:

"Groggy" wrote in message
s.com...

Laz,

if he had truly checked google he would have found the first two entries
were what he was after (using "table top clips" as keywords). If he had
scrolled down the page he'd have found a lot more. He can't have checked
google.

Greg


Come on Greg. This is Tail Gunner Dave we're talking about. If he was
interested in "table top clips" , he probaly typed in "metal things to hold
a the top part of a table from coming off" + "most expensive" or some such.

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 08:10:33 -0500, "George"
wrote:

Of course, we thoroughly modern types do indeed make a kerf - with our
biscuit joiner - for the clip to rotate into.

Of course, you thoroughly modern types use the metal clips, which will
fit in said kerf, as intended by Ikea, rather than using wooden
buttons, as intended by god.


Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson

Tom Watson wrote:
Of course, you thoroughly modern types use the metal clips, which will
fit in said kerf, as intended by Ikea, rather than using wooden
buttons, as intended by god.

I'm more of a Figure 8's man myself. The real heavy gage
(gauge David) ones. Not the wimpy pressed tin.

UA100

Groovy, baby!

I'm also glad you aren't me.

dave

Tom Watson wrote:

The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.

of COURSE I could make blocks! But I want the thinness of the clips,
sweetheart!

dave

Groggy wrote:

"Tom Watson" wrote in message...

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 02:51:23 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

I Googled table top clips and didn't get anything that looked like those
Z or S shaped metal clips that slide into a dado and then screw onto the
bottom side of the table top. What's the correct nomenclature?

The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.


Aha! Never knew that, always thought of it as a kerf in the apron, thanks
Tom.

Even Paddy's Shellac gets a mention he
http://denali.frontier.iarc.uaf.edu:...side_table.pdf

More on top attachment (including *why*) he
http://www.charm.net/~jriley/ttop.html and he
http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com/wood_movement.htm

also he

http://www.americanfurnituredsgn.com...h%20review.htm

In fact, with a purty PM type BS or a Unisaurus you might even be able to
cut some blocks just like they show in the pics.

you read my mind...or was it the other way 'round?? g

dave

George wrote:

Of course, we thoroughly modern types do indeed make a kerf - with our
biscuit joiner - for the clip to rotate into.
snip

Bay Area Dave wrote in message . com...
Groovy, baby!

I'm also glad you aren't me.

dave

Tom Watson wrote:

The correct nomenclature is "plough". A dado goes across the grain.


This is the best thread ever!

I can't wait for the next gem of wisdom to appear! (I learned some
actual things in a coffebreak atmosphere; I didn't know there is a
difference between a wide plough & a dado! Who would'a thunk it?)

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.com...
In article , Bay Area Dave
wrote:
actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Liar. You did nothing of the kind. I just Googled for "table top clips"
and
the _very_first_one_ in the list (of 252 hits, not fifty-five thousand) is
what you're looking for. The same search, without the quotation marks,
returns
over 350,000 hits, but the _first_ one is still the same.
--snip--

I think this thread has convinced me of BAD's trollish nature. I'm new to
woodworking, and it's obvious even to me that you'd never glue a top on a
piece of furniture. Hard to believe Dave would be stupid enough to consider
doing that, so apparently that was just bait.

Keith
-amused spectator

Keith Carlson responds:

actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Liar. You did nothing of the kind. I just Googled for "table top clips"
and
the _very_first_one_ in the list (of 252 hits, not fifty-five thousand) is
what you're looking for. The same search, without the quotation marks,
returns
over 350,000 hits, but the _first_ one is still the same.
--snip--

I think this thread has convinced me of BAD's trollish nature. I'm new to
woodworking, and it's obvious even to me that you'd never glue a top on a
piece of furniture. Hard to believe Dave would be stupid enough to consider
doing that, so apparently that was just bait.

I wouldn't get too excited about either of them. Just to check, I ran two
google checks on table top clips. One, just the words, brought up 595,000 hits.
Using table+top+hits brought up 572,000 hits. It's quite possible the quotes
would change it again.

Charlie Self

"Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same
function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of
things." Sir Winston Churchill

Keith, you'll be happy to know I got some clips yesterday. Everyone
can rest easy now. Southern Lumber for all you Bay Area guys...


dave

Keith Carlson wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
.com...

In article , Bay Area Dave

wrote:

actually I DID google and I reviewed the first 100 of 55,000 hits and
didn't see what I was looking for, nor when I did "z" clip which is what
I thought they were called. thanks for no help. I'll check Woodcraft.

Liar. You did nothing of the kind. I just Googled for "table top clips"

and

the _very_first_one_ in the list (of 252 hits, not fifty-five thousand) is
what you're looking for. The same search, without the quotation marks,

returns

over 350,000 hits, but the _first_ one is still the same.

--snip--

I think this thread has convinced me of BAD's trollish nature. I'm new to
woodworking, and it's obvious even to me that you'd never glue a top on a
piece of furniture. Hard to believe Dave would be stupid enough to consider
doing that, so apparently that was just bait.

Keith
-amused spectator

"Trent©" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 04:56:30 GMT, "Keith Carlson"
wrote:

I think this thread has convinced me of BAD's trollish nature.

I don't disagree with that part at all, Keith.

I'm new to
woodworking, and it's obvious even to me that you'd never glue a top on a
piece of furniture. Hard to believe Dave would be stupid enough to
consider
doing that, so apparently that was just bait.

Why? Not every situation is the same. I can definitely see
situations where you'd want to do that.

If yer new, you should get into the habit of listening, learning...and
then try it for YOURSELF...your OWN way.

A glued top would work fine...depending on a lot of variables, though.


Have a nice week...

Trent

Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity!

I won't disagree with you at all; I probably over-generalized. But in any
situation with a wide top, supported under most of the top, there will be
much more wood movement in the width (across grain) of the top than in
supporting members, right? At some point this could break the glue bond or
crack the top. Unless you're talking about glue only in the center.

Anyhoo, definitely agree about learning. Learn a lot here, and learning
right now working on a coffee table for my living room.

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:40:00 GMT, Bay Area Dave
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:

of COURSE I could make blocks! But I want the thinness of the clips,
sweetheart!

dave

Groggy wrote:


snip

Greg...better keep ya back to the wall, and i'll mail ya some soap on
a rope soon as i can get to the store. . .

keep ya eyes on em Greg, he tinks you're a sheila

traves

On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 06:26:36 GMT, Bay Area Dave wrote:

I'll post a few pictures when the desk is done so you can have a few
more laughs. You and your ilk really crack me up with your superior
attitudes. Kinda makes me ashamed to be associated, even in a
peripheral, adversarial way, with any of you. For the time being I'll
refer to you bozos as knuckle draggers in lie of miscreants.

Not enough of you watched "Sledgehammer" to know what the hell I've been
talking about.

BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?


dave

PM6564 wrote:
snip

huh????/ the doublwide IS the shop dummy. jes slide the coffee table
back and go to it! tv used to be beside the RAS but allas no mo tv.
the lsat kickback on the table saw skeward the ol lady. she landed on
the dog an killed him too. now they both gone and i sure do miss that
dog. i was gonna have the shop out in the yard but then i would have
to move all them thar wrecked vehicles ya know. might ruin the whole
ambiance round here. skeez

disparaging remarks.

What do you call the corn that's in a big turd?



LUNCH!!!!!!!!!! :-}

On 13 Nov 2003, spake unto rec.woodworking:


BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?

huh????/ the doublwide IS the shop dummy. jes slide the coffee table
back and go to it! tv used to be beside the RAS but allas no mo tv.
the lsat kickback on the table saw skeward the ol lady. she landed on
the dog an killed him too. now they both gone and i sure do miss that
dog. i was gonna have the shop out in the yard but then i would have
to move all them thar wrecked vehicles ya know. might ruin the whole
ambiance round here.

To make matters even worser, yore sweetheart of country music, Wynonna
Judd, done got herself in a bit of a scrape. They shore did capture the
essence of her beauty when they took the mug shot, though.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/wynonnajudd1.html

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:38:40 GMT, Scott Cramer
wrote:

On 13 Nov 2003, spake unto rec.woodworking:


BTW, where do you guys find room for a shop in a double-wide, anyway?

huh????/ the doublwide IS the shop dummy. jes slide the coffee table
back and go to it! tv used to be beside the RAS but allas no mo tv.
the lsat kickback on the table saw skeward the ol lady. she landed on
the dog an killed him too. now they both gone and i sure do miss that
dog. i was gonna have the shop out in the yard but then i would have
to move all them thar wrecked vehicles ya know. might ruin the whole
ambiance round here.

To make matters even worser, yore sweetheart of country music, Wynonna
Judd, done got herself in a bit of a scrape. They shore did capture the
essence of her beauty when they took the mug shot, though.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/wynonnajudd1.html


yahooooo im in heat!!!

"Traves W. Coppock" newsgroups-AT-farmvalleywoodworks-DOT-com wrote in
message ..
On Sun, 09 Nov 2003 18:40:00 GMT, Bay Area Dave
Greg...better keep ya back to the wall, and i'll mail ya some soap on
a rope soon as i can get to the store. . .

keep ya eyes on em Greg, he tinks you're a sheila


He's from the Bay Area Traves, probably thinks a wispy shaving is a sack,
back and crack job too.

I plonked him, all he wants is attention and isn't willing to do any
research for himself/herself/itself.

Greg