I picked up a cheap 2lb dead-blow rubber hammer from Princess Auto
(Our Kanuckistani equivalent to Harbor Freight) and left it in the van
for a day. When opening the door, the whole van just reeked of some
off-gassed rubber. I then noticed that a rubber air-hose had the same
strong smell. Also made in China. (The GoodYear hose doesn't smell
like that)
To top it off, my kid bought a volley-ball set and the ball was also
stinking to high heaven....to the point we had to leave it outside...
it made us nauseous.
Next thing I know, I'm back in Princess Auto for something and the
whole store smells like that.
What kind of sub-standard crap is stinking like that? Are they're not
bothering to cure it properly or is it just bad rubber to begin with?
I mean, I openend a tool-case with a cordless drill in it, and the
handle had a rubber over-mold, it darn near knocked me on my ass.
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

r

Had a hand cart that I bought from Sam's Club, it stunk out the garage for a
few months, especially through the summer heat. The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
ups.com...
I picked up a cheap 2lb dead-blow rubber hammer from Princess Auto
(Our Kanuckistani equivalent to Harbor Freight) and left it in the van
for a day. When opening the door, the whole van just reeked of some
off-gassed rubber. I then noticed that a rubber air-hose had the same
strong smell. Also made in China. (The GoodYear hose doesn't smell
like that)
To top it off, my kid bought a volley-ball set and the ball was also
stinking to high heaven....to the point we had to leave it outside...
it made us nauseous.
Next thing I know, I'm back in Princess Auto for something and the
whole store smells like that.
What kind of sub-standard crap is stinking like that? Are they're not
bothering to cure it properly or is it just bad rubber to begin with?
I mean, I openend a tool-case with a cordless drill in it, and the
handle had a rubber over-mold, it darn near knocked me on my ass.
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

r

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber smell
you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell good!

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In article , "Swingman" wrote:
I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber smell
you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell good!

Speaking as one who's just returned from a month in China...

********!

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"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
In article Swingman" wrote:
I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber
smell
you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell good!

Speaking as one who's just returned from a month in China...

********!

LOL ... ya gotta be kidding?!??

just that tofu, or whatever the hell it is, in ANY of the ubiquitous open
air markets would gag a maggot off a gut wagon a mile away. But since it's
for sale, there are those who obviously can't smell it on their upper lip.

BTW, sorry to hear about that lingering cold/sinus problem ... hope you got
it cleared up.

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On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:21:57 -0400, "EXT"
wrote:

The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.

We have a saying about cheap Chinese products at the bike shop. The
smell that comes out of the box is a mix of:

1.) Paints outlawed in the rest of the world.
2.) Body parts caught in the machine that rotted in the 40' container
during shipping.
3.) The sweat of forced child labor.

It is a noticeable smell, too.

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** http://www.bburke.com/woodworking.html **
---------------------------------------------

On Aug 5, 5:43 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:21:57 -0400, "EXT"
wrote:

The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.

We have a saying about cheap Chinese products at the bike shop. The
smell that comes out of the box is a mix of:

1.) Paints outlawed in the rest of the world.
2.) Body parts caught in the machine that rotted in the 40' container
during shipping.
3.) The sweat of forced child labor.

It is a noticeable smell, too.


I tell ya... I bought a few sinks from a Chinese distributor a few
years ago, and I swear that it took weeks to get the stench out of my
shop. The cardboard was just disgusting and the slab of pressed wood-
fibre which was in the box to protect the sink, must have been made
from pressed dog-**** and fish bones.... held together by a mixture of
mung and panda vomit. The excrement of that fibre-board got into my
fingers..and even after I washed my hands several times, every time I
picked my nose....wait...I said too much....

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:58:58 -0700, Robatoy
wrote:
....wait...I said too much....


You definitely know... THE SMELL! 8^(

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---------------------------------------------

On Aug 5, 4:30 pm, (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
In article , "Swingman" wrote:
I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber smell
you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell good!

Speaking as one who's just returned from a month in China...

********!


You mean that scent in the Beijing Hilton? That would be piped in pot-
pouri.

If Chinese markets ( and I have visited many in other major cities on
the planet) are any indication, I'd have to side with Swing on that
one... that cheap rubber smell ain't so bad in comparison.
Funny thing is, I absolutely love authentic chinese cuisine. Schezuan
in particular.

r

Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 5, 5:43 pm, B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:21:57 -0400, "EXT"
wrote:


The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.

We have a saying about cheap Chinese products at the bike shop. The
smell that comes out of the box is a mix of:

1.) Paints outlawed in the rest of the world.
2.) Body parts caught in the machine that rotted in the 40' container
during shipping.
3.) The sweat of forced child labor.

It is a noticeable smell, too.



I tell ya... I bought a few sinks from a Chinese distributor a few
years ago, and I swear that it took weeks to get the stench out of my
shop. The cardboard was just disgusting and the slab of pressed wood-
fibre which was in the box to protect the sink, must have been made
from pressed dog-**** and fish bones.... held together by a mixture of
mung and panda vomit. The excrement of that fibre-board got into my
fingers..and even after I washed my hands several times, every time I
picked my nose....wait...I said too much....

Sheesh. You really shouldn't equivocate so.
grunt,
j4

On Aug 5, 10:11 pm, jo4hn wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 5, 5:43 pm, B A R R Y wrote:

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:21:57 -0400, "EXT"
wrote:

The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.

We have a saying about cheap Chinese products at the bike shop. The
smell that comes out of the box is a mix of:

1.) Paints outlawed in the rest of the world.
2.) Body parts caught in the machine that rotted in the 40' container
during shipping.
3.) The sweat of forced child labor.

It is a noticeable smell, too.

I tell ya... I bought a few sinks from a Chinese distributor a few
years ago, and I swear that it took weeks to get the stench out of my
shop. The cardboard was just disgusting and the slab of pressed wood-
fibre which was in the box to protect the sink, must have been made
from pressed dog-**** and fish bones.... held together by a mixture of
mung and panda vomit. The excrement of that fibre-board got into my
fingers..and even after I washed my hands several times, every time I
picked my nose....wait...I said too much....

Sheesh. You really shouldn't equivocate so.
grunt,
j4

Well, I usually like to get to the bottom of things.........wait...

In article . com,
says...
I picked up a cheap 2lb dead-blow rubber hammer from Princess Auto
(Our Kanuckistani equivalent to Harbor Freight) and left it in the van
for a day. When opening the door, the whole van just reeked of some
off-gassed rubber. I then noticed that a rubber air-hose had the same
strong smell. Also made in China. (The GoodYear hose doesn't smell
like that)
To top it off, my kid bought a volley-ball set and the ball was also
stinking to high heaven....to the point we had to leave it outside...
it made us nauseous.
Next thing I know, I'm back in Princess Auto for something and the
whole store smells like that.
What kind of sub-standard crap is stinking like that? Are they're not
bothering to cure it properly or is it just bad rubber to begin with?
I mean, I openend a tool-case with a cordless drill in it, and the
handle had a rubber over-mold, it darn near knocked me on my ass.
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

r

Our neighbour is a bit of a loose canon, buying stuff at auctions. So he bought
one of those auto winding drums of air hose (to use with my petrol compressor
for fencing purposes), when I pointed out to him it was 50 feet and not 50
metres, gave me a goggle-eyed look, pressed the thing into my arms and said
'here, you have it'. Of course, it's made in China and he got it for the price
of 4doz eggs.

The damn rubber or plastic on that hose was disintegrating from day one. You'd
pull the hose out, and your hands would be red, your overalls would be red ...
did I mention the seals? What seals? Hsssssssssssss. The compressor would start
every 15 minutes without any usage by me.

Seriously, just how stupid do those XXXXXXX [censored] speak: [nice Chinese
manufacturers] think we are? Or is it them thats so stupid?

-P.

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"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
t...


Seriously, just how stupid do those XXXXXXX [censored] speak: [nice
Chinese
manufacturers] think we are? Or is it them thats so stupid?


If their products were not selling here, their products would not be here.
I think that they are probably pretty smart to be able to unload inferior
products on us. So it is probably that most of "us" are stupid.

On Aug 5, 10:53 am, Robatoy wrote:
I picked up a cheap 2lb dead-blow rubber hammer from Princess Auto
(Our Kanuckistani equivalent to Harbor Freight) and left it in the van
for a day. When opening the door, the whole van just reeked of some
off-gassed rubber. I then noticed that a rubber air-hose had the same
strong smell. Also made in China. (The GoodYear hose doesn't smell
like that)
To top it off, my kid bought a volley-ball set and the ball was also
stinking to high heaven....to the point we had to leave it outside...
it made us nauseous.
Next thing I know, I'm back in Princess Auto for something and the
whole store smells like that.
What kind of sub-standard crap is stinking like that? Are they're not
bothering to cure it properly or is it just bad rubber to begin with?
I mean, I openend a tool-case with a cordless drill in it, and the
handle had a rubber over-mold, it darn near knocked me on my ass.
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

r

Ever stop and consider that the stuff is likely to cause cancer in the
future?

Those vapors and the dyes that are used will likely come back to haunt
you.

TMT

On Aug 6, 11:39 am, Too_Many_Tools wrote:


Ever stop and consider that the stuff is likely to cause cancer in the
future?

Those vapors and the dyes that are used will likely come back to haunt
you.

That thought has certainly crossed my mind. Scary.

On Aug 5, 5:35 pm, "Swingman" wrote:
[snip]

just that tofu, or whatever the hell it is, in ANY of the ubiquitous open
air markets would gag a maggot off a gut wagon a mile away. But since it's
for sale, there are those who obviously can't smell it on their upper lip.

BTW, sorry to hear about that lingering cold/sinus problem ... hope you got
it cleared up.

Uh-oh.. look what I just stumbled onto:

----------------------------------------------------------------
British pubs in need of aromatic makeover
LONDON, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- The recent passage of a smoking ban throughout
Britain has created a new problem for pub-goers, the stale and foul
smells the smoke once covered up.

The Sunday Times of London said a lack of cigarette smoke in British
pubs has revealed the quite unpleasant odor of sweat and stale beer,
prompting one company to begin placing fresher scents inside the pubs
its manages.

Included among the unique smells now filling Mitchells & Butlers pubs
are freshly cut grass and a pleasant ocean breeze.

Oliver Devine, a marketing manager, said such smells became necessary
once the true smells of pubs were laid bare by the smoking ban.

"Appetizing food smells have increased but others are less attractive,
such as stale food and beer, damp, sweat and body odor, drains and --
how do you put this nicely? " Devine said, "flatulence."

The newspaper said similar scents were used in Scottish pubs when that
nation put a smoking ban into effect a year ago.

Leon & et al,

I've read all the responses to date. I think it's time I stuck my oar in.

First - on the 'answer the real question' side . . . the smell comes from
out-gassing of solvents & other component chemicals. Probably from very
loose control of additive formulation, quick & barely complete curing, and
final cleaning to simply 'get off the big chunks'. I typically get rubber
'trucker straps' to hold tarps in place {they deteriorate to failure after
about a year - the tarp ABD the straps}. Any rubber I've gotten exhibits
this acidic odor - even rubber parts like the 'strap' on a 'Strap Wrench'.

NOW - what ****es me off about this Chinese stuff . . . NOT that it's
'junk'. I've always tried to 'be responsible', 'Buy American', and purchase
the 'Best' that I can afford - for the long term. Something that will be
destroyed in use, or only for temporary use, go for the cheapest around.
Typically, for me, that was Harbor Freight, FREE SHIPPING mail order.
I knew where it came from and I knew it was typically junk, but the price
was equal to the quality.

Over the last many years a number of 'Home Center' Chains opened - and
closed - around the country. At least six, if not more. I've wondered
through all of them. As of now the only ones around here are Home Depot and
Lowes. I don't see 'pot metal' tools & other junk - even in the 'store
brands'. I do see a lot of 'Quality Names' at slightly discounted prices.
However, my 'tool buying' THERE has actually decreased. Shortly after Harbor
Freight changed their 'Free Shipping' policy, a local outlet opened, and I
go there.

WHY ??? Simple . . . when I pay 'dollars' for a tool or part I expect a
'dollar's worth' of value. When I pay a 'nickel' for a tool or part . . . I
don't expect more then a 'nickel's worth'. However - suddenly I noticed a
great similarity between 'cheap' and the 'Top Dollar'. O.K., a wooden clamp
is a wooden clamp, etc. {and a boatbuilder can *never* have too many clamps
!!} Then I started to look at the other 'Adjustable' clamps, including the
'one-hand, ratchet closing' ones. From there I looked at other tools, and
moved on to 'bigger' items. True, in SOME cases the finish was a bit better,
but in others the items were IDENTICAL!!

If I'm paying $2 for ONE clamp at HF, what is 'XX Company' paying for each
clamp when they buy TEN THOUSAND? And how much profit are they making when
Home Depot sells them for $8 ?

OUR government complains about China's record on Human Rights and their
oppressive Totalitarian System. At the same time they give them 'Favored
Nation' status on business & commerce. I don't think 'stupidity' is the
correct word.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Leon" wrote
"Peter Huebner" wrote

Seriously, just how stupid do those XXXXXXX [censored] speak: [nice
Chinese
manufacturers] think we are? Or is it them thats so stupid?


If their products were not selling here, their products would not be here.
I think that they are probably pretty smart to be able to unload inferior
products on us. So it is probably that most of "us" are stupid.

In article RwHti.5725$vK2.2445@trnddc03, "Ron Magen" wrote:

OUR government complains about China's record on Human Rights and their
oppressive Totalitarian System. At the same time they give them 'Favored
Nation' status on business & commerce.

Not to mention selling them guidance systems that improve the targeting
accuracy of their ICBMs.

I don't think 'stupidity' is the
correct word.

Doesn't even come close.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 15:58:58 -0700, Robatoy
wrote:
....wait...I said too much....


You definitely know... THE SMELL! 8^(

....or the taste!

"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
t...
In article . com,
says...
I picked up a cheap 2lb dead-blow rubber hammer from Princess Auto
(Our Kanuckistani equivalent to Harbor Freight) and left it in the van
for a day. When opening the door, the whole van just reeked of some
off-gassed rubber. I then noticed that a rubber air-hose had the same
strong smell. Also made in China. (The GoodYear hose doesn't smell
like that)
To top it off, my kid bought a volley-ball set and the ball was also
stinking to high heaven....to the point we had to leave it outside...
it made us nauseous.
Next thing I know, I'm back in Princess Auto for something and the
whole store smells like that.
What kind of sub-standard crap is stinking like that? Are they're not
bothering to cure it properly or is it just bad rubber to begin with?
I mean, I openend a tool-case with a cordless drill in it, and the
handle had a rubber over-mold, it darn near knocked me on my ass.
Phewww.

I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

r

Our neighbour is a bit of a loose canon, buying stuff at auctions. So he bought
one of those auto winding drums of air hose (to use with my petrol compressor
for fencing purposes), when I pointed out to him it was 50 feet and not 50
metres, gave me a goggle-eyed look, pressed the thing into my arms and said
'here, you have it'. Of course, it's made in China and he got it for the price
of 4doz eggs.

The damn rubber or plastic on that hose was disintegrating from day one. You'd
pull the hose out, and your hands would be red, your overalls would be red ...
did I mention the seals? What seals? Hsssssssssssss. The compressor would start
every 15 minutes without any usage by me.

Seriously, just how stupid do those XXXXXXX [censored] speak: [nice Chinese
manufacturers] think we are? Or is it them thats so stupid?

They have your money. Who's stupid now? ;-)

On Aug 5, 7:21?pm, "EXT" wrote:
Had a hand cart that I bought from Sam's Club, it stunk out the garage for a
few months, especially through the summer heat. The cheap rubber is the
cause, it eventually off gassed most of the smell and now I don't notice it
any more.


Although your slitty eyes and insatiable craving for rice cakes still
worries you.

FoggyTown

On Aug 5, 10:35?pm, "Swingman" wrote:
"Malcolm Hoar" wrote in message
In article Swingman" wrote:
I think I justabout had it with that Chinese crap.

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber
smell you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell good!


That's nothing compared to the delicate aroma wafting from the "fresh"
meat section of the souk in Tripoli, Lebanon on a 90 degree day!

FoggyTown

"FoggyTown" wrote in message
On Aug 5, 10:35?pm, "Swingman" wrote:

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell
will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the rubber
smell you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell
good!


That's nothing compared to the delicate aroma wafting from the "fresh"
meat section of the souk in Tripoli, Lebanon on a 90 degree day!

Two things might be worse my olfactory experience ... "durian" in Indonesia,
and _real_ "menudo", made the authentic way, in rural Mexico.

To say that both smell like week old road kill is putting it mildly.

I've eaten menudo in old Mexico, not the stuff sold here in the US, and at
first it took quite a bit of tequila to get it there, but it was good once
you got it to your mouth.

Durian, I simply could not get drunk enough to get to my lips ... and that's
saying something back in those days.

Then there was some of that rotten fish juice in SE Asia, Nuoc Man (sp?),
but I liked that right off the bat because it went well with rice, and I'm
enough of a coonass to accurately estimate how much gravy it takes to cover
an acre of rice.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

In article , d@p says...

They have your money. Who's stupid now? ;-)


Read again. They do not have MY money, and they won't get it.
I was stung three or four times and I learned my lesson.
I simply refuse to buy *anything* made in China, even branded stuff.
We have a Bosch washing machine - found out it was not made in Germany
after it was delivered - and that was the last time I will buy Bosch whiteware.
Again, the QC simply wasn't up to standard. The plastic parts are brittle,
the paint job is sub-standard...
I'll rather pay 4 times the price next time and buy something made in a first
world country.

-P.

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OK, I got y'all beat.

Moca, the 9 month old Great Dane ate supper last night, my son took her for
a run, and when they came back she tossed supper onto the back door mat. If
felt like about 5 pounds worth, thank goodness her aim was dead on. I was
able to carry the mat to the outside garbage can and dump the load. ;~)
The stink was at noon today when I accidentally opened up the outside
garbage can to toss in some wood scraps.



"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"FoggyTown" wrote in message
On Aug 5, 10:35?pm, "Swingman" wrote:

I built some shop drawers out of Chinese ply and the fish glue smell
will
knock you on your ass after almost two years.

If you've ever been to China you would know that this, and the
rubber
smell you're having trouble with, are the things that actually smell
good!


That's nothing compared to the delicate aroma wafting from the "fresh"
meat section of the souk in Tripoli, Lebanon on a 90 degree day!

Two things might be worse my olfactory experience ... "durian" in
Indonesia,
and _real_ "menudo", made the authentic way, in rural Mexico.

To say that both smell like week old road kill is putting it mildly.

I've eaten menudo in old Mexico, not the stuff sold here in the US, and at
first it took quite a bit of tequila to get it there, but it was good once
you got it to your mouth.

Durian, I simply could not get drunk enough to get to my lips ... and
that's
saying something back in those days.

Then there was some of that rotten fish juice in SE Asia, Nuoc Man (sp?),
but I liked that right off the bat because it went well with rice, and I'm
enough of a coonass to accurately estimate how much gravy it takes to
cover
an acre of rice.

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"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
t...
In article , d@p says...

They have your money. Who's stupid now? ;-)


Read again. They do not have MY money, and they won't get it.
I was stung three or four times and I learned my lesson.
I simply refuse to buy *anything* made in China, even branded stuff.
We have a Bosch washing machine - found out it was not made in Germany
after it was delivered - and that was the last time I will buy Bosch whiteware.
Again, the QC simply wasn't up to standard. The plastic parts are brittle,
the paint job is sub-standard...
I'll rather pay 4 times the price next time and buy something made in a first
world country.

I agree. My point, indelicately put for which I apologise, was that you have to buy the crap, to find
out it is crap. Cheap Chinese outgassing rubber crap is shrink wrapped so you don't get the smell till
you get it home. Bosch crap has a German label but Chinese fingerprints all over it.

Dave Gordon wrote:

They have your money. Who's stupid now? ;-)


That's the way I look at it.

Nowadays, the only way I will even consider cheap items is if I can
fully handle them first.

Pete,
You just may be going 'nakid'.

I feel the same way you do, which is way a piece on the evening NATIONAL
news caught my attention. Obviously, MANY other Americans feel the same way.

About a week ago one of the 'stories' was about a woman that was going to do
what you propose. If I remember correctly, she was going to do it for a
month. The 'boycott' lasted about a week !! It wasn't even a case of cost,
it was simply a case of 'hidden labeling'. As in, 'Assembled in the US',
'Made for . .' or 'Packaged for . . .' insert any number of familiar names.
Or finding that the major or critical components are from China.

Regards,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop

"Peter Huebner" wrote in message
t...
In article , d@p says...

They have your money. Who's stupid now? ;-)


SNIP I was stung three or four times and I learned my lesson.
I simply refuse to buy *anything* made in China, even branded stuff.
SNIP
I'll rather pay 4 times the price next time and buy something made in a
first
world country.